VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[JohnnyKiss]

Well in terms of height ian is 175, mike is 180 or something and alec is 185 its not that different

Isn't Axel 194cm (6 4') ? That's a huge difference from 175 (I know since I'm that height)

 

[JoJoPool]

Ahh if it's just *it* factor I bet Ian can get that. If he becomes a mega prolific author that ought to boost his confidence enough.

He does have tons of self-doubt and is somewhat wimpy/vanilla still in his relationship dynamics at the moment, but maybe he can learn. It might be awhile though.

The last chapter did a lot of work at cucking him out and making him weaker. Maybe in this next one he will grow a little.

If you feel that way about Ian then maybe it's your decisions that led to that ? I certainly didn't feel that way about Ian in my chad playthrough so maybe that's a you problem.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

If you feel that way about Ian then maybe it's your decisions that led to that ? I certainly didn't feel that way about Ian in my chad playthrough so maybe that's a you problem.

Agreed, I play Ian as a non-romantic player type going after as many ladies as possible, and he's far from passive. The only slight annoyance is there seems to be a bit of a bug where even if I ignore the Lena romance path, I can't get him to befriend Axel...because Axel still seems jealous for some ridiculous reason.

 

[Gato21]

Agreed, I play Ian as a non-romantic player type going after as many ladies as possible, and he's far from passive. The only slight annoyance is there seems to be a bit of a bug where even if I ignore the Lena romance path, I can't get him to befriend Axel...because Axel still seems jealous for some ridiculous reason.

Yeah, what's up with that. I could of sworn that wasn't the case before and you could be on a less adversarial path. Was that from the remake/rewrite? I mean I get the need sometimes to streamline the story, but it kind of sucks when choice is taken away from the player. Positive it's a bug or now canonical?

 

[monk_56]

If you feel that way about Ian then maybe it's your decisions that led to that ? I certainly didn't feel that way about Ian in my chad playthrough so maybe that's a you problem.

I doubt it. The pathing I did for canon was basically textbook fuck-boy Ian and and Lena as bi with Ian but Les otherwise. No Cindy, Allison pathing with no threesome, Minerva, and then dating holly towards the end. Course most of Ian's shit shuts off when you try to do Holly's stuff- but that is just the nature of Ian. Bro gets railroaded into monogamy like a motherfucker.

I suppose you could argue that having used the gallery to check out the alt paths made Ian seem weaker- and that is true. But the iteration of Ian I am comparing the other scenes to was more or less the strongest iteration of the lad. He just seems pretty weak / underwhelming when compared to a suite of the other characters.

Perhaps when you are creating a character to be in the middle with latitude to flex to the side they are not really going to be effective in either the dom or sub role- he seems pretty mid at doing most things except vanilla.

 

[Gato21]

I doubt it. The pathing I did for canon was basically textbook fuck-boy Ian and and Lena as bi with Ian but Les otherwise. No Cindy, Allison pathing with no threesome, Minerva, and then dating holly towards the end. Course most off Ian's shit shuts off when you try to do Holly's stuff- but that is just the nature of Ian. Bro gets railroaded into monogamy like a motherfucker.

I suppose you could argue that having used the gallery to check out the alt paths made Ian seem weaker- and that is true. But the iteration of Ian I am comparing the other scenes to was more or less the strongest iteration of the lad. He just seems pretty weak / underwhelming when compared to a suite of the other characters.

Perhaps when you are creating a character to be in the middle with latitude to flex to the side they are not really going to be effective in either the dom or sub role- he seems pretty mid at doing most things except vanilla.

Chad points change the dialogue I believe, you take in account for that as well? Could that have possibly skewed your perception?

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

I doubt it. The pathing I did for canon was basically textbook fuck-boy Ian and and Lena as bi with Ian but Les otherwise. No Cindy, Allison pathing with no threesome, Minerva, and then dating holly towards the end. Course most off Ian's shit shuts off when you try to do Holly's stuff- but that is just the nature of Ian. Bro gets railroaded into monogamy like a motherfucker.

I suppose you could argue that having used the gallery to check out the alt paths made Ian seem weaker- and that is true. But the iteration of Ian I am comparing the other scenes to was more or less the strongest iteration of the lad. He just seems pretty weak / underwhelming when compared to a suite of the other characters.

Perhaps when you are creating a character to be in the middle with latitude to flex to the side they are not really going to be effective in either the dom or sub role- he seems pretty mid at doing most things except vanilla.

dating Holly and ignoring Allison/Cindy, does not scream fuck-boy Ian route to me.

 

[| Vee |]

I will just say that Ian can become confident (Chad Ian points) and dominant (dominant points during sex). It depends on the player how he wants him Ian is being more proactive as the story flows and if Ian is not dominant than i don't know which character i have been playin this whole time cause that character makes Alison bark during sex, get freaky with Emma, goes after Cindy and fucks her in her room. He is a developing character he is growing as the story is moving on. BUT MOST OF IT DEPENDS ON PLAYER HOW HE PLAYS MC.
Ian near the end of ORS:

 

[JoJoPool]

I doubt it. The pathing I did for canon was basically textbook fuck-boy Ian and and Lena as bi with Ian but Les otherwise. No Cindy, Allison pathing with no threesome, Minerva, and then dating holly towards the end. Course most off Ian's shit shuts off when you try to do Holly's stuff- but that is just the nature of Ian. Bro gets railroaded into monogamy like a motherfucker.

I suppose you could argue that having used the gallery to check out the alt paths made Ian seem weaker- and that is true. But the iteration of Ian I am comparing the other scenes to was more or less the strongest iteration of the lad. He just seems pretty weak / underwhelming when compared to a suite of the other characters.

Perhaps when you are creating a character to be in the middle with latitude to flex to the side they are not really going to be effective in either the dom or sub role- he seems pretty mid at doing most things except vanilla.

are you sure you got every scene ? there's this scene in a threesome with allison and jeremy where (with the right stats) you can basically humiliate jeremy and make him watch while you have your way with allison, and also many other scenes with allison where Ian can be very dominant .... If you still consider Ian to be weak after all this i don't know what to tell you to be honest, I guess you can believe whatever you want to believe i won't judge.

 

[monk_56]

Chad points change the dialogue I believe, you take in account for that as well? Could that have possibly skewed your perception?

I had 5 or 6 iirc. I read a pretty large section of the script raw as well b/c it is well designed, elegently pathing, and pretty interesting.

dating Holly and ignoring Allison/Cindy, does not scream fuck-boy Ian route to me.

I did all of the Ian x Allison's content except the devil's 3some in canon. But yeah, ultimate fuckboy Ian is prob on Cindy's path. If I did another play-though I'd swap out Allison for Emma / Cherry though- both of them seem superior and dealing with Allison was annoying to me since she was always trying to make Ian jealous to grab his attention. Also, I don't really care for snu-snu- she makes him look kinda small.

 

[fatpussy123]

Ian starts the story and has to build up to being dominant. Even now at chapter 10 the most dom thing he can do with Lena is choking her, after she asks him to. Axel on the other hand in one scene with Lena takes complete control of Lena, even making her lose a will point with the forceful blowjob. Remember Axel already was in a dom-sub relationship with Lena, before the game even starts. Axel already has a major head start in the dom department compared to people like Mike and especially Ian. He has an insane physique and his charisma is unrivalled, just look at all the moves he pulls on Cindy. I'd argue the only reason Ian can sleep with her first is because he has benefit of already being acquainted with her.

However just because he is physically dominant, sexually dominant, and extremely charismatic, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most insecure/fragile characters in the game. He spends the first half of the game grovelling for Lena's attention, at multiple points starting fights over his insecurity regarding his ex, and when he hears Ian might be with Lena he immediately gets aggressive. Also during the Cindy photoshoot at his house he makes snarky remarks about Ian's presence and when Ian tells him not to touch Cindy's leg he resorts to sarcastic comments, rather than being upfront. In other words Axel is great and dominant when dealing with women he can seduce, but the second he is put in a situation where he can't seduce his way out of, he relies on physical threats or schoolgirl level sarcasm.

Ian on the other hand has many paths so it's hard to evaluate him holistically, but let's for arguements sake we're talking about dominant/chad Ian. He can also seduce a lot of the characters at bars/clubs. Specifically Cherry, Emma, Alison. Women aren't instantly attracted to him like they are with Axel, he just doesn't have that height and that physique, but he can still seduce and act dominant in bed. Again he isn't a prior dom so he is still only just starting out in the game, he will get more dominant in bed as time goes on. Let him cook.

 

[| Vee |]

you think eva is gonna just tease a ivy and ian route? nah they gon be fuckin for sure.

Yup, Ivy has been teasing Jeremy that, as of now, his balls must be on the brink of a nuclear explosion, so you can imagine Ian, as people here think(probably) that Jeremy is superior to Ian.

EDIT: so as i imagine that Ian having his way with Ivy may be not achievable(can't come up with a suitable word) as of now UNLESS Eva throws this legendry scene somehow

 

[Reaurt]

Yeah, what's up with that. I could of sworn that wasn't the case before and you could be on a less adversarial path. Was that from the remake/rewrite? I mean I get the need sometimes to streamline the story, but it kind of sucks when choice is taken away from the player. Positive it's a bug or now canonical?

The befriending Axel storyline, where Axel invites Ian out to hang and they start being kinda cool with each other, was removed in the re-write. Jeremy takes the role of Axel and they end up meeting Jessica, Ivy, and Axel at the bar.

I have a vague recollection of Eva saying in one of her Q&As that while she liked the friendship angle, it's cleaner for the writing and storyline if she keeps Axel as an antagonist.

 

[Gato21]

The befriending Axel storyline, where Axel invites Ian out to hang and they start being kinda cool with each other, was removed in the re-write. Jeremy takes the role of Axel and they end up meeting Jessica, Ivy, and Axel at the bar.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Ian being a middle of the road character allows your choices to shape him. If you were playing Axel or Jeremy the whole point system wouldn't make any sense. Similar to how Lena is the most 'middle of the road' female character. (Although arguably Holly could also have been a MC type as she can be evolved in many ways)

The most logical explanation. For such imbalanced Ian from the very beginning it would simply not be interesting to play, it would be a flat character, devoid of challenges and flaws, and we would end up in another fucking harem simulator. No character development, just another jock having all the girls on easy. Nobody cares about Mary Sue characters.

 

[bitofaperv]

Ya'll are being too literal. Obviously I mean the ones intended to have Dominant qualities like Jeremy, Mike, Axel ect.

Not the cucky shitlords that exist in game just so Ian can have a few people he is physically superior to and so Lena can have corruption routes with people a gal like her would never sleep with except in these suspension of disbelief sort of narrative designed for player wish fulfillment.

Being superior to Stan and Robert is about as impressive as being able to put your pants on in the morning.

* Stan feels like he was cooked up on a 4chan board and sharted into existence by the power of incel angst alone.
* Robert is so painfully slightly below mediocre that the power of mediocrity alone sustains him. He has like 15 scenes and I don't think I've seen a single person say they liked his pathing . ORS has some weird pairings going on.

Jeremy is one of the biggest pussies in the whole game. I don't think you really understand what you are talking about.

Having a big dick doesn't mean you command authority.

 

[Vengeance_11]

Dominant qualities like Jeremy

Jeremy is the furthest thing from dominant.

He strings Louise along and sleeps around behind her back because he's too cowardly to be upfront with her.
He also simps so hard for Ivy's pussy that he lets her string him along thinking he has a chance of scoring with her for weeks on end when any other guy would see it's a lost cause.

An Ian/Ivy scene is more than likely to happen just so Ian can score one over on him and brag about it.

 

[| Vee |]

Jeremy is the furthest thing from dominant.

He strings Louise along and sleeps around behind her back because he's too cowardly to be upfront with her.
He also simps so hard for Ivy's pussy that he lets her string him along thinking he has a chance of scoring with her for weeks on end when any other guy would see it's a lost cause.

An Ian/Ivy scene is more than likely to happen just so Ian can score one over on him and brag about it.

Oh scene can happen (hopefully this update) but Ivy will let her dominated by Ian might be tough as she is also type of dom (when with Lena) and may not let Ian dominate her but what do i know i'm not the dev

 

[mannice431]

So how close are we to the next update exactly? (Haven't really been following the thread)

 

[MF_DOOM]

Ian is too much of a dork. Just can't take him serious as a dom. He spends his time writing, living off money from his parents, some routes he delivers fucking pizza. Subs to Lena's Stalkfap and feels jealous about it. I'd let Axel choke me. Ian I'd tell him to stop. Mike I can see growing into the role.

Thats a valid opinion if all your sexual knowledge and experience comes from porn and not real life.