VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[pantypriv]

Experimenting in this game is so much fun!
I've been making Lena into a slut, taking Holly down that path too and was not expecting the threesomes with Jeremy+Louise & Mike+Louise"

Can't stand Robert, but I was very surprised when Ivy suggested that Lena should introduce him to Holly (Lena had broken up with Robert at this point). Perhaps this dude has a role to play, and I shouldn't dismiss him?
Can he snitch? Restaurant dates with Minerva or Seymour...depends on how you threat him I suppose.

Edit: I had put the threesome selection in spoiler tags, but it didn't work(?) so I removed it.

 

[Vengeance_11]

Can't stand Robert, but I was very surprised when Ivy suggested that Lena should introduce him to Holly (Lena had broken up with Robert at this point). Perhaps this dude has a role to play, and I shouldn't dismiss him?
Can he snitch? Restaurant dates with Minerva or Seymour...depends on how you threat him I suppose.

He's not supposed to be likeable because he's supposed to fill the role of "douchebag rival" for Ian, but EK has done a poor job of writing that properly.

- He's introduced to the player as a drunk douchebag via Ian, meaning players are immediately biased against him when they meet him as Lena later on.
- If Lena rejects him, he tries to blackmail and manipulate her.
- If she does go out for drinks with him, then he almost immediately reveals that he's been cyberstalking her.
- He becomes annoyingly clingy following their hook up.
- He develops feelings for Lena (and lashes out in a jealous rage) because he's apparently too dense to understand that dirty talk shouldn't be taken literally.
- He serves almost no purpose outside of the early game and can largely be ignored.

Combine all this with the fact that he has zero redeeming qualities and you have a character that's near universally hated by the player base because why would any reasonable person want to get involved with someone like him? If there was a character that actually needed to be rewritten, then it was Robert so he was better suited to fulfil his intended role in the game.

 

[rj677]

He's not supposed to be likeable because he's supposed to fill the role of "douchebag rival" for Ian, but EK has done a poor job of writing that properly.

- He's introduced to the player as a drunk douchebag via Ian, meaning players are immediately biased against him when they meet him as Lena later on.
- If Lena rejects him, he tries to blackmail and manipulate her.
- If she does go out for drinks with him, then he almost immediately reveals that he's been cyberstalking her.
- He becomes annoyingly clingy following their hook up.
- He develops feelings for Lena (and lashes out in a jealous rage) because he's apparently too dense to understand that dirty talk shouldn't be taken literally.
- He serves almost no purpose outside of the early game and can largely be ignored.

Combine all this with the fact that he has zero redeeming qualities and you have a character that's near universally hated by the player base because why would any reasonable person want to get involved with someone like him? If there was a character that actually needed to be rewritten, then it was Robert so he was better suited to fulfil his intended role in the game.

Well... I dont agree with the first point you have made.

I know no one likes Robert and you said all of the main reasons why, but him being a angry with Perry for spilling a whole ass beer on his shirt while being "falling on his ass drunk" might be the only semi decent thing Robert has done in the game. Of course he went too far, but Im not gonna blame him for something that even I would be angry about. Mind you I wouldnt be "Street fighter" angry, but still.... Also both Ian and Perry admit that he deserved that reaction from Robert to some degree .

As for a rewritting... I dont think so, hes the one thing everyone can agree on hating so hes definitely perfect for the game just like this

Can't stand Robert, but I was very surprised when Ivy suggested that Lena should introduce him to Holly (Lena had broken up with Robert at this point). Perhaps this dude has a role to play, and I shouldn't dismiss him?

Of course he has a role to play... Now that Holly has been trained by Ivy, she needs to start dominating someone herself

Being serious now, I think its quite obvious he has a role to play on the long run of the game... No way this man has so many scenes and is written like a douchebag without a long term plan to be "useful" in the future. But its Robert, so we need someone who actually played his path for us to have a better idea (and that sure as hell wasnt me, Robert is the only character I havent touched . Hell, I dont think anyone did )

 

[ffive]

He's not supposed to be likeable because he's supposed to fill the role of "douchebag rival" for Ian, but EK has done a poor job of writing that properly.

(...)

Combine all this with the fact that he has zero redeeming qualities and you have a character that's near universally hated by the player base because why would any reasonable person want to get involved with someone like him? If there was a character that actually needed to be rewritten, then it was Robert so he was better suited to fulfil his intended role in the game.

I'd say that if Robert's intended role was the douchebag rival who isn't supposed to be likable, then the universal hate he gets means he fulfills his role, and as such to say he needs a rewrite is pretty weird.

Perhaps one could question the point of having a character who is just a lame douchebag, when we already have Stan, but that's a different discussion altogether.

 

[camube]

Perhaps one could question the point of having a character who is just a lame douchebag, when we already have Stan, but that's a different discussion altogether.

i guess the difference is maybe, from women's perspective like Eva's, there's a difference between douche at all times (Robert), and incel when rejected (Stan)

 

[ffive]

i guess the difference is maybe, from women's perspective like Eva's, there's a difference between douche at all times (Robert), and incel when rejected (Stan)

Possibly, but it still boils down to having more than one pure shit sandwich as your menu and am like "but why" because how about having instead some guy who would be actually reasonably looking and with decent character.

 

[Deleted member 1255551]

He's not supposed to be likeable because he's supposed to fill the role of "douchebag rival" for Ian, but EK has done a poor job of writing that properly.

- He's introduced to the player as a drunk douchebag via Ian, meaning players are immediately biased against him when they meet him as Lena later on.
- If Lena rejects him, he tries to blackmail and manipulate her.
- If she does go out for drinks with him, then he almost immediately reveals that he's been cyberstalking her.
- He becomes annoyingly clingy following their hook up.
- He develops feelings for Lena (and lashes out in a jealous rage) because he's apparently too dense to understand that dirty talk shouldn't be taken literally.
- He serves almost no purpose outside of the early game and can largely be ignored.

Combine all this with the fact that he has zero redeeming qualities and you have a character that's near universally hated by the player base because why would any reasonable person want to get involved with someone like him? If there was a character that actually needed to be rewritten, then it was Robert so he was better suited to fulfil his intended role in the game.

So much this. He reminds me of Doug in GGGB lmao if you choose Lena not to have anything to do with him you'll barely remember he's a character in the game for the rest of it

 

[| Vee |]

Don't tell me EK is rewriting Robert. I really hope this is only discussion and EK don't have any plans of rewriting so that she can move to next chapters instead of redefining/rewriting previous ones. (We got that trauma with Stan's rework).

(and that sure as hell wasnt me, Robert is the only character I havent touched . Hell, I dont think anyone did )

I SEE YOU ARE MAN OF CULTURE AS WELL!

 

[bauman]

Don't tell me EK is rewriting Robert. I really hope this is only discussion and EK don't have any plans of rewriting so that she can move to next chapters instead of redefining/rewriting previous ones. (We got that trauma with Stan's rework).

I hope not. Robert's such a useless character. It's insulting enough he's the male NPC with most sex scenes now that we're at the point of one update per year.

 

[Vengeance_11]

I'd say that if Robert's intended role was the douchebag rival who isn't supposed to be likable, then the universal hate he gets means he fulfills his role, and as such to say he needs a rewrite is pretty weird.

Perhaps one could question the point of having a character who is just a lame douchebag, when we already have Stan, but that's a different discussion altogether.

I’d say there’s a difference between “unlikable” and “despised”.

“Rewrite” might be extreme, but he’s far more unlikable than I think was intended. Get rid of him being a manipulative douche when Lena rejects him (and maybe his comment about essentially cyberstalking her) and he maybe, just maybe, could be a more appealing character.

 

[ffive]

I’d say there’s a difference between “unlikable” and “despised”.

Semantic? Yes* Practical? No.

*) although "despised" and "disliked" are often listed as synonyms, so.

 

[| Vee |]

I’d say there’s a difference between “unlikable” and “despised”.

“Rewrite” might be extreme, but he’s far more unlikable than I think was intended. Get rid of him being a manipulative douche when Lena rejects him (and maybe his comment about essentially cyberstalking her) and he maybe, just maybe, could be a more appealing character.

Rewriting would take massive time as he got more content than other NPCs thus, may create a chaos in branching of story too.


Lets just abandon this whole talk before EK gets the impression that we are not happy with how Robert progresses and announces she is doing a rework/rewrite/anything re-related and is holding on Ch12 till after rework.

Plz lets us Discuss something else heck we can all start cucking discussions back. But let us stop this whole rewrite thing, I don't wanna take risk talking about this. Stanny is enough trauma as it is, don't wanna hear Robert getting one too.

 

[pantypriv]

Ha, I didn't intend nor expect that discussion
I was just both intrigued and surprised that Ivy brought up Robert as a possible link for Holly and in the whole "good girl to bad girl" thing going on with Holly I would actually welcome it
The cardboard dude she's given a blow job so far isn't very interesting, who else could we push her towards?
Billy?
Jeremy?
Stan?
Perry?

 

[ffive]

Stan?

Stan and Holly are totally a possible thing, if Stan's change variable is active then they get some meaningful interactions after Lena introduces them to each other, and get along pretty well.

 

[| Vee |]

Ha, I didn't intend nor expect that discussion
I was just both intrigued and surprised that Ivy brought up Robert as a possible link for Holly and in the whole "good girl to bad girl" thing going on with Holly I would actually welcome it
The cardboard dude she's given a blow job so far isn't very interesting, who else could we push her towards?
Billy?
Jeremy?
Stan?
Perry?

No one can surpass Stanny in sickness(especially after watching his room)
So, swap these emojis

Stan?
Perry?

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

Stan and Holly are totally a possible thing, if Stan's change variable is active then they get some meaningful interactions after Lena introduces them to each other, and get along pretty well.

Imagine an "experienced" Holly hooking up with Stan. Just more fuel for the incel machine.

 

[ffive]

Imagine an "experienced" Holly hooking up with Stan. Just more fuel for the incel machine.

If Holly hooks up with Stan, then Stan is totally kicking Louise out of the apartment to gift her room to his Queen.

(and the next thing you know, we have Lena/Holly/Stan, something no one asked for)

 

[pantypriv]

No one can surpass Stanny in sickness(especially after watching his room)
So, swap these emojis

Stan?
Perry?

I actually considered swapping the emojis myself!

 

[| Vee |]

If Holly hooks up with Stan, then Stan is totally kicking Louise out of the apartment to gift her room to his Queen.

(and the next thing you know, we have Lena/Holly/Stan, something no one asked for)

That would remain Stan's ultimate dream.
On the other hand he might start living on the streets and offers holly to stay in his room, on top of that watching from window getting Holly, Lena, Louise railed by Ian! I like this scenario more.

Imagine an "experienced" Holly hooking up with Stan. Just more fuel for the incel machine.

It just struck me now what if in that route Holly is cucking Stanny Stanny prolly gonna enjoy that

 

[yuvce]

If Holly hooks up with Stan, then Stan is totally kicking Louise out of the apartment to gift her room to his Queen.

(and the next thing you know, we have Lena/Holly/Stan, something no one asked for)

Stan doesn't have the balls to kick her out. In fact, I'd be amazed if he even had balls. Period.