VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Blurpee69]

Unless it was changed, it gets conveyed through a dialogue by Wen early on. It was said there are 3 preliminary round fights. As in: you can lose one, win two and you´d likely still go through to the elimination phase of the tournament. That should mean probably 5 fights total, at least. Price money also confirmed, the exact amount, I don´t remember if was mentioned. Don´t think it was huge.

    yuri "You fight once a month against someone in your weight class from a different gym. You fight in a bracket, so even if you lose a fight, you can make it to the top three if you win the other ones."
    yuri "There's a small money prize for the winner and finalists."

I think that's the only info available about the tournament format. It will be probably be as long as Eva needs it to be for narrative purposes

A full tournament, with us participating in every fight feels too long for the remainder of the story to be told. Yes, there are some narrative threads left to resolve and EK can always add more as needed to pad the length. But a lot of stories have wrapped up, or are clearly wrapping up soon. Ian's LI, Billy's event, Ian moving out, etc. are all wrapping up presumably in the next two chapters on top of the next stage of the tournament.

Considering each chapter is usually one to two weeks of in game time. One to two more months already feels like a stretch for how much in game time can keep passing without there being a time skip. That just covers the group stage. So four, five, or more months just to do the full tournament really feels like it would be stretching out the length of the game without really adding more.

Assuming we stick to the 20 chapters limit that has been floating around; at that pacing just finishing the group stage puts us right at the 20 chapter mark. Really brings into question when there is still a lot of speculation we'll be wrapping up sooner than 20 chapters. Not saying it's impossible, but it's just not the vibe I'm getting for where we are at with in game pacing and real world plans.

 

[ffive]

Yeah, we just got a hint that it rose significantly in between his monologue but by how much, we don't know.

Since Ian's initial salary is something like 2 coins iirc, technically even earning one more would be a significant increase.

 

[jarbas404]

Poor Eva. Kinda backed herself into a corner here

That's exactly what's impressive about this game, because this complexity is already a reality. I've read the walkthrough, but I've only realized the complexity and variety of the branches so far by replaying different routes with different statuses. That's why I think EK has cornered itself a few chapters ago, and that's great (it's not sadism, it's admiration ).

I'm really curious to see these more radical branches from now on and what the solutions will be to keep it all parallel and balanced.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Perry actually kicks ian out? :O I hooked up with emma but didn't get kicked out. Probs cuz I hooked him up with Cherry

 

[Blurpee69]

Since Ian's initial salary is something like 2 coins iirc, technically even earning one more would be a significant increase.

I've always wondered what a real world dollar amount is to the ingame coins. I would equate it to perhaps around 200-300 Euro. That feels right for rent, tattoos, the expensive dress, and money sent to Lena's parents.

But then feels pretty absurd for Allison's wine, drinks with Cindy, and most of Lena's toys. Though it's been a long time since I bought a double headed dildo so perhaps inflation is a bitch

 

[Heliophorus]

I've always wondered what a real world dollar amount is to the ingame coins. I would equate it to perhaps around 200-300 Euro. That feels right for rent, tattoos, the expensive dress, and money sent to Lena's parents.

But then feels pretty absurd for Allison's wine, drinks with Cindy, and most of Lena's toys. Though it's been a long time since I bought a double headed dildo so perhaps inflation is a bitch

How broke is she if you don't sign on for modelling or caming? Can you even avoid it?

 

[ffive]

How broke is she if you don't sign on for modelling or caming? Can you even avoid it?

You don't need to do explicit Stalkfap (or any at all) and you can turn down Seymour's offer. But Lena will be pretty poor in that scenario, yes.

 

[jollyjoker27]

A full tournament, with us participating in every fight feels too long for the remainder of the story to be told. Yes, there are some narrative threads left to resolve and EK can always add more as needed to pad the length. But a lot of stories have wrapped up, or are clearly wrapping up soon. Ian's LI, Billy's event, Ian moving out, etc. are all wrapping up presumably in the next two chapters on top of the next stage of the tournament.

Considering each chapter is usually one to two weeks of in game time. One to two more months already feels like a stretch for how much in game time can keep passing without there being a time skip. That just covers the group stage. So four, five, or more months just to do the full tournament really feels like it would be stretching out the length of the game without really adding more.

Assuming we stick to the 20 chapters limit that has been floating around; at that pacing just finishing the group stage puts us right at the 20 chapter mark. Really brings into question when there is still a lot of speculation we'll be wrapping up sooner than 20 chapters. Not saying it's impossible, but it's just not the vibe I'm getting for where we are at with in game pacing and real world plans.

Agree with most of this. One way to mitigate this though would be to make the finals a "big" one time event, towards the end phase of the game. Like 2 fights in one swoop, Semifinal + Final. That would likely leave 2 more single/monthly fights (one of which we already know is in the upcoming week, for next Ian update). Seems doable.

    yuri "You fight once a month against someone in your weight class from a different gym. You fight in a bracket, so even if you lose a fight, you can make it to the top three if you win the other ones."
    yuri "There's a small money prize for the winner and finalists."

I think that's the only info available about the tournament format. It will be probably be as long as Eva needs it to be for narrative purposes

Thanks for looking that up. So it was Yuri, actually. That´s basically what I meant, though. Losing one, win the rest to advance. I read that as a preliminary group of 4 fighters = 3 fights total. Maybe I´m wrong here?

Ah, a Quantum Ogre Mike (he's only the opponent if you've got a grudge match against him).

something like that, yeah

 

[Socrambus]

Eva kinda fucked herself with the branches lol

Now she needs to indefinitely keep in mind if Ian lives with Perry or someone else.

Or she could force Ian/Perry to be roommates and reconcile even if it doesn't make sense and no matter what Ian does, or make Ian move out even if they didn't fight which kinda doesn't make sense if Ian doesn't have a backup roommate (like Holly)

Poor Eva. Kinda backed herself into a corner here

It doesn't need to be that complex, Ashley in GGGB had also several living choices. I think that Ian will move out either by himself or with some girl because he doesn't want to continue sharing with Perry regardless of their good or bad relationship. At the end it won't be much more different than choosing Ian's room during the beach event.

Once a month? So that can drag out. Damn. August is done, so September and October for qualifiers, November/December for the semi/finals?

Pretty weird for a so called summer tournament but who knows .

A full tournament, with us participating in every fight feels too long for the remainder of the story to be told. Yes, there are some narrative threads left to resolve and EK can always add more as needed to pad the length. But a lot of stories have wrapped up, or are clearly wrapping up soon. Ian's LI, Billy's event, Ian moving out, etc. are all wrapping up presumably in the next two chapters on top of the next stage of the tournament.

Considering each chapter is usually one to two weeks of in game time. One to two more months already feels like a stretch for how much in game time can keep passing without there being a time skip. That just covers the group stage. So four, five, or more months just to do the full tournament really feels like it would be stretching out the length of the game without really adding more.

Assuming we stick to the 20 chapters limit that has been floating around; at that pacing just finishing the group stage puts us right at the 20 chapter mark. Really brings into question when there is still a lot of speculation we'll be wrapping up sooner than 20 chapters. Not saying it's impossible, but it's just not the vibe I'm getting for where we are at with in game pacing and real world plans.

I'm just thinking that maybe the tournament isn't finished in game. I mean, perhaps we get the Ian/Mike fight for the plot (if Lena is not involved with both Mike and Ian, Ivy has been involved with Mike and told Ian she will go see him fight) and the rest of the tournament is time skipped and the result showed during the epilogue depending on Ian's stats/ending. It's really not that important for the overall story, it's just an amateur tournament, Ian is not going to go pro (maybe Jeremy will in some ending).

 

[Blurpee69]

I'm just thinking that maybe the tournament isn't finished in game. I mean, perhaps we get the Ian/Mike fight for the plot (if Lena is not involved with both Mike and Ian, Ivy has been involved with Mike and told Ian she will go see him fight) and the rest of the tournament is time skipped and the result showed during the epilogue depending on Ian's stats/ending. It's really not that important for the overall story, it's just an amateur tournament, Ian is not going to go pro (maybe Jeremy will in some ending).

Yes that was my really long winded way of saying I don't think we will actually participate in many fights. That fight was considerably complex for a Renpy game and for an AVN in general. I think that update was also among the longest waits we've had for the game.

So again the vibe I'm getting is we are probably only participating in group stage fights and won't actually see the prize money except in maybe an epilogue.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

Yes that was my really long winded way of saying I don't think we will actually participate in many fights. That fight was considerably complex for a Renpy game and for an AVN in general. I think that update was also among the longest waits we've had for the game.

Perhaps Eva built the groundwork for the fight?

Wonder if the mechanics could be reused and development could be considerably sped up, like the pool game that showed up 2 or 3 times early game

 

[ffive]

Pretty weird for a so called summer tournament but who knows .

It's Summer Tournament because the chapters with fights are only released during actual summers.

 

[Blurpee69]

Perhaps Eva built the groundwork for the fight?

Wonder if the mechanics could be reused and development could be considerably sped up, like the pool game that showed up 2 or 3 times early game

Yes the ground work has been established since the Robert fight at the museum. And the fight mechanics have also been iterated upon with each fight since Robert outside the bar in chapter 1.

But it's still a complex set of variables and if EK wants to make each fight unique and presumably more challenging that will take a good deal of time. Doing so 4 more times is a stretch.

I'd love to be proven wrong. I really like the first fight in the tournament. It was really fun the first time puzzling through choices to get a victory, and then going through again to get a decisive victory. And then discussing with others their strategies for victory. There are just a lot of factors leading me to believe we're not going to see all of the fights that would be required to see the tournament to completion or skipping some of the middle rounds.

 

[maelontuchanka]

What's the difference between Cindy (Romance) and Cindy (Affair)

Anyone have a guide how to get the affair path?

 

[dolfe67]

I think we won't "play" every fight but they will be resolved off-screen depending on your results of the first fight. BTW I don't watch amateur MMA fights but Ian getting out unscathed without a single wound on his face is unrealistic?

 

[Lolicon Kami]

What's the difference between Cindy (Romance) and Cindy (Affair)

Anyone have a guide how to get the affair path?

See guide

I think we won't "play" every fight but they will be resolved off-screen depending on your results of the first fight. BTW I don't watch amateur MMA fights but Ian getting out unscathed without a single wound on his face is unrealistic?

Ehhh...maybe the skill level was too much between Ian and his opponent?

I watch pro MMA and it's rare, but happens roughly once every 30 fights or so, that fighters win without getting hit in the face. Or hit anywhere, at all. From personal observation

 

[bonerland]

I think we won't "play" every fight but they will be resolved off-screen depending on your results of the first fight. BTW I don't watch amateur MMA fights but Ian getting out unscathed without a single wound on his face is unrealistic?

It’s not unrealistic, just look at the Holly Holm-Rhonda Rousey fight a decade ago; Holm came out of it as champ after barely even being touched, Rousey, not so much.

 

[Ray_D]

On Alison's path she already proposes getting a place together and Ian can accept if he's on the love path, say he will think about it or refusing because he wants to live alone. It has been heavily hinted for a while that Ian wants to stop being roommates with Perry and almost all of his circle have living issues.

• Alison lives with her parents and has been bitching about it since the beginning of the game.
• Emma is about to be evicted during this latest update.
• Cindy has the extra space without Wade but I guess her financial situation is about the same as when she was living with jobless Wade.
• Holly lives with her religious parents and is even grounded during the latest update when they discover she's taking birth control pills. She should have some decent savings from her book and job.
• Cherry has her own place and no problems I can remember. But I guess she could also be an alternative.
• Even Wade could end up being an alternative if Perry and Emma get together.

• Alison and her constant complaining are a pain in the ass, that's the worst part of her route.
• If Emma is with Perry, it is likely that he will offer her to stay in his apartment.
• True, but we'll have to see what new job ciindy will get.
• It will be fun to meet Holly's parents.
• I guess we will have to share the expenses but it is a good option.
• I think Wade had to move back in with his parents after breaking up with Cindy, so let's take him out of the options.

How many rounds are there to the tournament, have we ever been told?

Is there prize money? And I always agreed that Mike was a likely opponent, but I forget if there was any in-game evidence, or if it was all extrapolation of themes and likely character roles.

I think there will be three rounds and something tells me the second one will be against mike. In those MMA amateur tournaments the price is usually money.

Axel spanked content when?

Didn't the Ian/Axel confrontation outside of the club have two variations? In both, Axel goes to push Ian away, and iirc in one he can stumble, but the other (athletic and/or fit) Ian knocks his arm away and holds firm.

If you train ian he will deflect the force of axel's push and will not move. If not then axel will push him down.

Axel being a photographer and hanging out with models all day seems like the type of guy that works out to build pretty muscles. Ian's been learning to fight. Hopefully that will counter the weight and reach differences. Especially if he can get in Axel's head. I'd love if Ian messed up his elbow/broke his arm so Axel can't hold his camera properly for months on end.

Certainly, axel is vain and built to be aesthetically pleasing but that doesn't take away from the fact that he have strength. I hope eva adds the option to dislocate or break axel's arm if he doesn't give up when ian puts him in a lock.

 

[Gicoo]

What's the difference between Cindy (Romance) and Cindy (Affair)

Anyone have a guide how to get the affair path?

When Ian confronts Cindy in chapter 9, choose the Lust option to let them have an affair. Not the love option. Cindy and Ian are less serious with each other on that path, so Ian is allowed to fuck around, but this applies to Cindy as well. She messes around with Axel on that route, and Ian isn't in a position to complain. (He does it anyways. )

 

[JillNadin]

There is a picture of her with axel's hand on her bare ass, it is not implied, it is a fact that axel used her as a rag doll.

Well, that could be about the photography (same way she agreed to get naked.) It doesn't necessarily mean sex occured.