VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[dundun]

I liked Ivy. I thought she would be the "Jessica" from GoodGirl to ORS but now im getting suspicious of her.

And, to be honest, her slut/modern personality is starting to piss me off.

I totally agree.

I dont like the Holly/Ivy/Lena scene, seems like a reboot or fanservice of the truth game scene in ch7.

I totally disagree . Everyone paints Holly as this little, innocent even virginal girl. She is shy, but not so innocent. It's her that kisses Ian back in ch7 and she is quite eager to follow Ivy's instructions here. I am looking forward to what happens if you lead her down deeper into the rabbits hole.

 

[Leonardovisk]

Or i missunderstand something and need replay again.

I totally agree.

I totally disagree . Everyone paints Holly as this little, innocent even virginal girl. She is shy, but not so innocent. It's her that kisses Ian back in ch7 and she is quite eager to follow Ivy's instructions here. I am looking forward to what happens if you lead her down deeper into the rabbits hole.

Yeah, maybe im wrong. I think i dont liked that part because the way Ivy led her.

But let me say something about the Ian using drugs....OMG, best part ever!

I would never expect have a chat with GOD about existencialism Sartre's fundaments in a sexgame. Thats hit me hard haha

I was here to see sex comic images but now im on another level. What a epic game!

 

[AchedCroissant]

Holly is for Lena so I don't share her

 

[SavageCabbagio]

Everyone paints Holly as this little, innocent even virginal girl. She is shy, but not so innocent.

I mean, her sexual fantasy is a hot guy whose face she can't even see, that's "too strong to resist" coming up behind her and fucking her. She's got a very dark submissive side to her.

 

[Reasoon]

Can somebody who plays the Beta tell if the Changes to the Scene where Ian goes to the café to talk to Lena about the situation with Holly are good or how they feel about them?

I actually want to wait for the finale release of Chapter 8 before I play again so this would be a nice little Information

 

[Deleted member 563623]

(Spoilers!) I've revised the scene many people critiqued, where Ian goes to the café to talk to Lena about the situation with Holly. I hope I did a better job representing how the characters feel and react in that situation. Also, now Lena can only get intimate with Holly if she's not dating Ian. It felt wrong having Lena sleep with her after the fallout caused by Ian if they're on a relationship.

hmm... So sexual options are being restricted because they don't 'feel right'? I'm not one for f/f so this specific one doesn't matter to me, but that could be a worrisome trend. I can't imagine, for example, that it feels right for Lena to have sex with Jeremy who is both her close friend's boyfriend and one of her boyfriend's close friends...

Seems inconsistent. But i haven't actually read the scenes in question so maybe i'm misinterpreting.

 

[BlandChili]

hmm... So sexual options are being restricted because they don't 'feel right'? I'm not one for f/f so this specific one doesn't matter to me, but that could be a worrisome trend. I can't imagine, for example, that it feels right for Lena to have sex with Jeremy who is both her close friend's boyfriend and one of her boyfriend's close friends...

Seems inconsistent. But i haven't actually read the scenes in question so maybe i'm misinterpreting.

I agree, it also removes some of the sandbox aspects, that you can fuck and cheat to the player's desire, within reason, from the game.

I suspect that perhaps Eva feels there are too many variable states surrounding Ian/Lena/Holly so she is restricting accessibility?

 

[SavageCabbagio]

Can somebody who plays the Beta tell if the Changes to the Scene where Ian goes to the café to talk to Lena about the situation with Holly are good or how they feel about them?

I actually want to wait for the finale release of Chapter 8 before I play again so this would be a nice little Information

In the sense that Ian can be more assertive and bring up Lena's own indescretions against her? No, he still folds so that's pretty much the same.

I get what she's going for, in that it's specifically Holly and if it was anyone else, then she'd be fine, but this is still hypocritical if Lena is pursuing Jeremy and I'm all for her character having these personality flaws. I didn't want her to re-write Lena's thought process anyway, so there could still be time for her to add such an option for Ian in future updates. Even if she feels that Ian is wrong, it'd still be a good option to add in my opinion.

I agree, it also removes some of the sandbox aspects, that you can fuck and cheat to the player's desire, within reason, from the game.

I suspect that perhaps Eva feels there are too many variable states surrounding Ian/Lena/Holly so she is restricting accessibility?

Maybe it'd be better if Lena could still attempt it if the player desired but she would just get shot down. Even in the Alpha though, if Holly was involved with Ian, and Slutty Lena was sleeping around with everyone, the option to try to sleep with Holly would still be greyed out, so maybe it is consistent.

 

[mommysboiii]

I mean, her sexual fantasy is a hot guy whose face she can't even see, that's "too strong to resist" coming up behind her and fucking her. She's got a very dark submissive side to her.

TRUE I am fucked dude holly is my only relationship option with Ian(and my Ian is weak as fuck) in my run and Ivy is destroying her

 

[manscout]

I agree, it also removes some of the sandbox aspects, that you can fuck and cheat to the player's desire, within reason, from the game.

I suspect that perhaps Eva feels there are too many variable states surrounding Ian/Lena/Holly so she is restricting accessibility?

I guess that for those characters, as EvaKiss envisions them, the logical consequences would affect the story too drastically and their relationships being at the very least amicable is necessary to keep the plot functional.

I think something that gets a bit overlooked are the implications for Holly's character if the scene with Lena were to happen while Lena and Ian are dating. Like, the player can make Lena's character be very hypocritical (in particular with what she might be trying to do with Jeremy), so in that sense I don't think it would be too out of character for her to go after Holly, but would Holly accept her kiss after being made aware in chapter 8 that Ian and Lena are indeed dating and starting to get serious? I feel Holly as a character wouldn't do that, she's too sincere and wouldn't want to be complicit with Lena cheating on Ian, and things would be very awkward for the character dynamics if she had to refuse Lena.

So my guess is that's why EvaKiss just straight up blocked the decision if there is a set relationship between those 3 characters, not because proposing at that point would be too out of character for Lena, but because it would put Holly's character into an impossible situation that would affect too many story threads.

 

[Deleted member 40068]

Is there a scene list for the newest update?

 

[Massi89]

hmm... So sexual options are being restricted because they don't 'feel right'? I'm not one for f/f so this specific one doesn't matter to me, but that could be a worrisome trend. I can't imagine, for example, that it feels right for Lena to have sex with Jeremy who is both her close friend's boyfriend and one of her boyfriend's close friends...

Seems inconsistent. But i haven't actually read the scenes in question so maybe i'm misinterpreting.

My image of Slutty Lena doesn't match the image of a Lena who would go to bed with Holly. I might have a twisted impression too, but to me the LenaxHolly relationship looks very sweet, simple and wholesome. That's not the same Lena who craves Jeremy's cock. If that's so, that wouldn't make it inconsistent. Maybe that's what Eva has in mind as well, but that's just my guess.

I mean, her sexual fantasy is a hot guy whose face she can't even see, that's "too strong to resist" coming up behind her and fucking her. She's got a very dark submissive side to her.

Yes and I can't wait to explore that fantasy further

Maybe I am the only one, but Holly gives me a slight Harleen Quinzel vibe. She appears so extremely wholesome outwardly that she might become extremely corrupted if taken towards that direction

 

[MyStupidPornAccount]

I there any way to keep ian and lena as a will they or wont they scenario? it seems like if lena accepts ians date in chapter 4 even if in every scenario you choose no kissing and that they arent sure about each other you get forced into a few sex scenes.

 

[Massi89]

It's because of the way lena_fty_bbc is used. It can be acquired not only when Lena admits to having fantasies about BBC, but also when she blows Jeremy. In this chapter, the requirement for Lena to admit having the BBC fantasy is v8_jeremy_flirt (which she can only do if she already has this fantasy). I assume that initially, Eva wanted for Lena to confirm in this chapter her newly-discovered lust for Jeremy by admitting this fantasy if she hasn't already, but because lena_fty_bbc can be acquired in several ways, and v8_jeremy_flirt requires this variable, she can't admit to having this fantasy if she didn't participate in Ivy's game or didn't unlock Louise's phone.

I definitely felt that this was a bit weird, cause during the game in chapter 7 I had already chosen the BBC option, yet I was given the chance to make her say it again in ch8...

 

[manscout]

I there any way to keep ian and lena as a will they or wont they scenario? it seems like if lena accepts ians date in chapter 4 even if in every scenario you choose no kissing and that they arent sure about each other you get forced into a few sex scenes.

I haven't done a playtest to check, but I think the dev intended to be possible for Ian and Lena to not sleep with each other even while dating and all the way to chapter 8 (there's some dialogue in the game's code for such a scenario).

Maybe to prevent some of those scenes you got automatically, you need Lena to be doing Robert and/or Mike on the side (they sometimes come up as alternatives to Ian for some scenes).

 

[BlandChili]

I think something that gets a bit overlooked are the implications for Holly's character if the scene with Lena were to happen while Lena and Ian are dating. Like, the player can make Lena's character be very hypocritical (in particular with what she might be trying to do with Jeremy), so in that sense I don't think it would be too out of character for her to go after Holly, but would Holly accept her kiss after being made aware in chapter 8 that Ian and Lena are indeed dating and starting to get serious? I feel Holly as a character wouldn't do that, she's too sincere and wouldn't want to be complicit with Lena cheating on Ian, and things would be very awkward for the character dynamics if she had to refuse Lena.

Not that I disagree as a whole but Holly has been hinted as of having something of a slightly more conniving side to her than what one might assume. She does admit to having been aware of Ian/Lena if she gets it on with Ian and many people are under the impression that the "room hiccup" in the hotel in the bookfair portion of ch. 7 was a very convenient development.

Would Holly sleep with Lena to throw a spanner in the works of Ian/Lena? I don't think so, that would be too cruel even if Holly does know to play a situation to her advantage on occasion.
A detail to the Lena/Holly scene in ch. 8 is also that Eva makes a point out of how Lena and Holly give into a base desire, which would suggest that they're both merely reacting to the moment and not really thinking about anything besides each other, thus not directly making any plays in the grander scheme of things.

 

[Reasoon]

In the sense that Ian can be more assertive and bring up Lena's own indescretions against her? No, he still folds so that's pretty much the same.

I get what she's going for, in that it's specifically Holly and if it was anyone else, then she'd be fine, but this is still hypocritical if Lena is pursuing Jeremy and I'm all for her character having these personality flaws. I didn't want her to re-write Lena's thought process anyway, so there could still be time for her to add such an option for Ian in future updates. Even if she feels that Ian is wrong, it'd still be a good option to add in my opinion.

Thanks for the reply. So nothing changes in this Conversation? But didn't Eva said in her Newest Update that she changed exactly that Scene?

 

[TamaMountain]

My bad the unseen text is grayed but the orange bar means that it is selected.
I've click on it one more time to erase the orange bar and the option is well unselected.
It works for me.

Dude I did not know greyed out means that it is selected. Thanks for helping an idiot out . Funny how I got this wrong but was able to correctly disable the greyed out choices.

 

[manscout]

Not that I disagree as a whole but Holly has been hinted as of having something of a slightly more conniving side to her than what one might assume. She does admit to having been aware of Ian/Lena if she gets it on with Ian and many people are under the impression that the "room hiccup" in the hotel in the bookfair portion of ch. 7 was a very convenient development.

Would Holly sleep with Lena to throw a spanner in the works of Ian/Lena? I don't think so, that would be too cruel even if Holly does know to play a situation to her advantage on occasion.
A detail to the Lena/Holly scene in ch. 8 is also that Eva makes a point out of how Lena and Holly give into a base desire, which would suggest that they're both merely reacting to the moment and not really thinking about anything besides each other, thus not directly making any plays in the grander scheme of things.

Eh, I think there's a big difference between shooting your shot when all you have is a suspicion and doing it when you know for a fact that what you want to do wouldn't be right. She probably had to work herself up like crazy to find the courage to come on to Ian so a possible relationship between him and Lena was probably one of the many uncertainties she had to dismiss. Even if Holly has a conniving and perceptive side, I don't think she would do anything actually immoral, at least not yet.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[SavageCabbagio]

Thanks for the reply. So nothing changes in this Conversation? But didn't Eva said in her Newest Update that she changed exactly that Scene?

There are some changes, basically to just hammer home the idea that Lena considers Holly a very close friend and is very protective of her, so she sees Ian as the bad guy in this scenario for using Holly for sex because she's such a gentle soul, that kinda thing. That works fine for a Lena that's been loyal to Ian so far but it's still a double standard in her favor when she's going after Jeremy and having sex with multiple people on the side still.

My thing is that I would've broken up with Lena for Holly, so I wasn't actually intending to use her for sex. I think that being romantic towards Lena (which is what I did) locks you out of Holly later on. In fact if I was in that situation in real life I would probably say to Holly that I like her more and I'd break up with Lena to be with her instead, so in that situation for me it would be Ian breaking it off with Lena for that reason. I'll wait for the final release to judge properly though, she might still change things.