VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[JohnnyKiss]

I understand your point... buuuut...

... Man, you learn that shit.

No baby came out of the womb knowing how to "choke a bitch."

Mike is supposed to fill that "Dom Archetype" in the game (alongside Axel) and Ian can be played as any of the NPC Archetypes in the game (Cuckold = Stan, Dom = Axel, The One Who Cucks = Jeremy and etc) so you are definitely right here.

The only difference between the two and Axel is Axel's godly physique.

Edit: How the fuck did I edit my comment twice and still fucking make the spelling mistakes, lmao.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Ian is too much of a dork. Just can't take him serious as a dom. He spends his time writing, living off money from his parents, some routes he delivers fucking pizza. Subs to Lena's Stalkfap and feels jealous about it. I'd let Axel choke me. Ian I'd tell him to stop. Mike I can see growing into the role.

I'm not gonna tell you what to enjoy or not but a lot of the stuff you listed here really don't have much to do with "being Dom" or not. Like, Ian being jealous shouldn't be a detraction for him being Dom since Axel is fucking psycho when it comes to jealousy, lmao. Also, doesn't Ian literally train martial arts while Axel does what; photograph models?

Like I said, it's most likely just the physique that sells him harder than the others as he is what, 6 feet 4 (and super muscular) versus Ian's 5 feet 8 and Mike's (I guess) 5 feet 10?

 

[bitofaperv]

Ian is too much of a dork. Just can't take him serious as a dom. He spends his time writing, living off money from his parents, some routes he delivers fucking pizza. Subs to Lena's Stalkfap and feels jealous about it. I'd let Axel choke me. Ian I'd tell him to stop. Mike I can see growing into the role.

You're going to use "spending time writing" as a disqualifier? I'm happy as fuck my sexual partners haven't had the same aversion.

Yeah, your combination of traits don't look promising, but writing is the only one Ian has that's non-negotiable. Let the little caterpillar grow his wings.

 

[SerHawkes]

you think eva is gonna just tease a ivy and ian route? nah they gon be fuckin for sure.

If only that were true...

 

[monk_56]

Ian is too much of a dork. Just can't take him serious as a dom. He spends his time writing, living off money from his parents, some routes he delivers fucking pizza. Subs to Lena's Stalkfap and feels jealous about it. I'd let Axel choke me. Ian I'd tell him to stop. Mike I can see growing into the role.

You have successfully described why I don't like playing as Ian in this game, but from the female POV.

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be. He cannot escape that- its just how he is built.
Perhaps he can change his attitudes- but he can never escape being a manlett. It'd be like getting choked by your kid brother- I think I'd just burst out laughing.

 

[Nifferman]

I'm not gonna tell you what to enjoy or not but a lot of the stuff you listed here really don't have much to do with "being Dom" or not. Like, Ian being jealous shouldn't be a detraction for him being Dom since Axel is fucking psycho when it comes to jealousy, lmao. Also, doesn't Ian literally train martial arts while Axel does what; photograph models?

Like I said, it's most likely just the physique that sells him harder than the others as he is what, 6 feet 4 (and super muscular) versus Ian's 5 feet 8 and Mike's (I guess) 5 feet 10?

Well in terms of height ian is 175, mike is 180 or something and alec is 185 its not that different

 

[bitofaperv]

You have successfully described why I don't like playing as Ian in this game, but from the female POV.

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be. He cannot escape that- its just how he is built.
Perhaps he can change his attitudes- but he can never escape being a manlett. It'd be like getting chocked by your kid brother- I think I'd just burst out laughing.

You know Stan and Robert exist in this game, right?

 

[IkarusWestwood]

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be.

Ian seeing that he is in the same game as Robert, Stan and Perry:

 

[monk_56]

Ya'll are being too literal. Obviously I mean the ones intended to have Dominant qualities like Jeremy, Mike, Axel ect.

Not the cucky shitlords that exist in game just so Ian can have a few people he is physically superior to and so Lena can have corruption routes with people a gal like her would never sleep with except in these suspension of disbelief sort of narrative designed for player wish fulfillment.

Being superior to Stan and Robert is about as impressive as being able to put your pants on in the morning.

* Stan feels like he was cooked up on a 4chan board and sharted into existence by the power of incel angst alone.
* Robert is so painfully slightly below mediocre that the power of mediocrity alone sustains him. He has like 15 scenes and I don't think I've seen a single person say they liked his pathing . ORS has some weird pairings going on.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

You have successfully described why I don't like playing as Ian in this game, but from the female POV.

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be. He cannot escape that- its just how he is built.
Perhaps he can change his attitudes- but he can never escape being a manlett. It'd be like getting chocked by your kid brother- I think I'd just burst out laughing.

Oh no, why is MC a multi-faceted well-written personality, and not a set of muscles with a 10 inch cock in front of which all the chicks automatically take off their panties.

 

[monk_56]

Oh no, why is MC a multi-faceted well-written personality, and not a set of muscles with a 10 inch cock in front of which all the chicks automatically take off their panties.

Ahh- this argument again. Gotta love the hyperbolic straw mans.

You know you can be both a large attractive character AND well written right? Just look at Lena. She's built like a prototypical attractive model. Tall, elegant, thin, stunning. Is it your argument that she is a bad character just b/c of her physical qualities as well?

It is always a binary in ya'lls minds.

Dommy manlets just don't hit the same as the larger characters (for me). I'm sure it works for some ppl and that is great, but in my mind Ian is destined to be the vanilla-lad of the game or a cuck. ;-P

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Ahh- this argument again. Gotta love the hyperbolic straw mans.

You know you can be both a large attractive character AND well written right? Just look at Lena. She's built like a prototypical attractive model
But no, it is always a binary in ya'lls minds.

Dommy manlets just don't hit the same as the larger characters (for me). I'm sure it works for some ppl and that is great, but to me Ian is destined to be the vanilla-lad of the game or a cuck. ;-P

Stan, is that you? STAAAAAAN! I finally found you!

 

[monk_56]

Stan, is that you? STAAAAAAN! I finally found you!

Heh, resorting to personal insults is kinda pathetic brohan.

Either argue the point or leave it. Sorry if I hurt your feelings talking about one aesthetic being more attractive/dominant than the other.

 

[Flowing Thought]

To me it is not about body type for Axel and Ian it is about confidence and personality. Axel oozes confidence and has a dominating personality. He has the it factor. Ian does not have these qualities.

 

[monk_56]

To me it is not about body type for Axel and Ian it is about confidence and personality. Axel oozes confidence and has a dominating personality. He has the it factor. Ian does not have these qualities.

Ahh if it's just *it* factor I bet Ian can get that. If he becomes a mega prolific author that ought to boost his confidence enough.

He does have tons of self-doubt and is somewhat wimpy/vanilla still in his relationship dynamics at the moment, but maybe he can learn. It might be awhile though.

The last chapter did a lot of work at cucking him out and making him weaker. Maybe in this next one he will grow a little.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Heh, resorting to personal insults is kinda pathetic brohan.

Either argue the point or leave it. Sorry if I hurt your feelings talking about one aesthetic being more attractive/dominant than the other.

Well, I just have to laugh on your views that male MC should by default be the dominant alpha male with Axel looks, and I usually laugh when people wright BS. No one is insulting you, buddy
Also BS that Ian can't have a dominant personality. At the beginning of the game it is, he is an average guy with a personality bias in Wits, but as the game progresses, this can change in any direction and you can build your MC however you want. If you don't played GGGB, then you just don't know that in Eva games, the characters change beyond recognition during the game.

But your idea of ideal male characters and claims that Ian is not masculine and dominant enough... dude, this is very similar to the ideology of incel movement.

Ahh if it's just *it* factor I bet Ian can get that. If he becomes a mega prolific author that ought to boost his confidence enough.

He does have tons of self-doubt and is somewhat wimpy/vanilla still in his relationship dynamics at the moment, but maybe he can learn. It might be awhile though.

The last chapter did a lot of work at cucking him out and making him weaker. Maybe in this next one he will grow a little.

Now I get it If you are playing cuck route no wonder that your Ian is not masculine and dominant enough. My Ian fucks everything that moves.

"NOT MASCULINE AND NOT DOMINANT"

 

[lipe2410]

Dommy manlets just don't hit the same as the larger characters (for me). I'm sure it works for some ppl and that is great, but in my mind Ian is destined to be the vanilla-lad of the game or a cuck. ;-P

You should really take a break of porn to deconstruct these porn stereotypes/tropes in your head.
And the appeal of Ian is that he can achieve as much and even more (way more) of than Jeremy, Axel, Mike can even he not being this "urr durr alpha male" stereotype those three are.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

You have successfully described why I don't like playing as Ian in this game, but from the female POV.

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be. He cannot escape that- its just how he is built.
Perhaps he can change his attitudes- but he can never escape being a manlett. It'd be like getting chocked by your kid brother- I think I'd just burst out laughing.

Who let this man cook?!

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Ya'll are being too literal. Obviously I mean the ones intended to have Dominant qualities like Jeremy, Mike, Axel ect.

Jeremy isn't meant to be "dominant type" in the game. Again, this just goes back to my point that people take the physical appearance (and not wrongly) to see someone more dominant than other. Ian can be played as a way more dominant of a person than Jeremy yet people would consider Jeremy as a more dominant person due to his physique.

It's not "Wrong" to consider someone as Axel more of a dom type due to his physique than someone like Ian but it is "wrong" to say Ian ISN'T dom because of his physique or that someone like Jeremy is more dominant.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Ian being a middle of the road character allows your choices to shape him. If you were playing Axel or Jeremy the whole point system wouldn't make any sense. Similar to how Lena is the most 'middle of the road' female character. (Although arguably Holly could also have been a MC type as she can be evolved in many ways)