VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[BlandChili]

It's for fictional purpose. And I share your sentiment. Hearing that I'm strong while I lift her is something which can be a turn on but this type of thing is just shit and don't matter how "alpha" anyone is he don't need to hear himself or anyone telling him he is alpha but rather someone who hold power over other's or physical strength. otherwise pointless. And I agree if I ever here shit like this while I'm going at her I swear it's an instant mood kill "shrugs".

For sure. I've never been a natural submissive myself, but part of the turn on for me with both men and women are their distinguishing physical traits. So, when a man has had the strength to endure fucking while carrying my weight by himself, that has been a turn on for me as well.

As for women, the only women I've seen use the word 'alpha' or 'beta' to describe men are fetish content creators... Women catering to submissive men's fantasies. So it's mostly roleplay to make a dude's dick tingle. EK is a fetish content creator.

True enough. I guess it was just a bit more on the nose than what I'm used to with ORS. Since I dislike most of the Lena/Male options in this game, Jack is the first catch-free (it seems) option so far and in a way getting that scene is kinda like going from 0 to 100 after a playthrough of tender Holly scenes and Lena-dom scenes with Louise. I guess that's just a casualty of playing that particular way.

It seems like a misguided line someone wrote to please what they imagine someone else's fantasy might be, which doesn't actually turn on the writer themselves.

That was what I felt like, heh. I almost wanted to reach out and strangle Lena.

 

[ffive]

Having the hots for a hot chick isn't bizarre. It's the length that Seymour - a powerful man who can have upwards of a billion dollars - goes in his obsession of this one that needs to be explained.

I honestly don't think there's anything special in Seymour's actions. He's got some basic dates with Lena and then does slightly more sophisticated version of taking role of her master, seducing her into becoming his pet with promises of wealth, influence and pleasure. Like, i don't think he'd do it any different if it was any other girl than Lena, either. It's just a rich guy getting his 50 shades of grey on.

"Oh but he could have some supermodel instead!" Yes, he could, but so what? That he's picked this girl instead, that's not some particular obsession but simply a choice. He was looking for a hot girl with some smarts and open to mental manipulation. Lena happens to tick all these boxes to a sufficient degree to catch his attention, so he went for her. One likes what they like.

 

[Blurpee69]

Realistically, she will do what the player chooses. I imagine between Billy and Ivy there's a decent chance for optional drugs as well, so things can get out of hand even for more restrained Lena. (though, again, if the players opts so)

There isn't an addiction mechanic in this game is there? Like I know that Ian can get labeled stoner for smoking weed twice, but we haven't seen any flags beyond that for taking drugs?

Either way though I suspect that if drugs are involved with Billy's photoshoot, and Lena has taken MDMA twice, that she probably won't have the option to say no, even if she has a will point. Perhaps if other drugs are involved she can turn those down. I'd be interested to see another scene with Emma offering Lena drugs, just without the easter egg game crash sequence.

 

[ffive]

Finally had time to play the beta and see Jack's scene properly. I have to ask something of the men here, do you find it hot being called "alpha male" directly during sex?

This is probably not the best circle of folks to ask about sex experience

I kid, i kid. My impression of the "alpha male" and the others like that are quite similar to yours. That said, there is also some outliers who would use such term unironically and actually fit these preconceptions, so, leaving the toxicity of it aside, i can sort-of see it working when it comes to Lena (with her submissive streak) and Jack (with his unashamed ego) If i squint a lot.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I honestly don't think there's anything special in Seymour's actions. He's got some basic dates with Lena and then does slightly more sophisticated version of taking role of her master, seducing her into becoming his pet with promises of wealth, influence and pleasure. Like, i don't think he'd do it any different if it was any other girl than Lena, either. It's just a rich guy getting his 50 shades of grey on.

"Oh but he could have some supermodel instead!" Yes, he could, but so what? That he's picked this girl instead, that's not some particular obsession but simply a choice. He was looking for a hot girl with some smarts and open to mental manipulation. Lena happens to tick all these boxes to a sufficient degree to catch his attention, so he went for her. One likes what they like.

Agree to disagree. Again, I had hoped that was the case originally, but the shutting down of all of Lena's other modeling options and the added exposition from Eva, both with Seymour-related conversations and those with or about Lena's mom or childhood, veered me away from that. In even semi-descent storytelling, every detail described has a reason for being there, with exposition always serving a purpose. Sure, there might be one red herring in a variety of stories. But very rarely a full can of them.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

What's interesting here, Mr. Turett is again passive-aggressively arguing with everyone, telling tales about kind Grandpa Seymour?
Same old, same old...

 

[ffive]

I don't agree. On the contrary Seymour is a perfect gentleman. He treats Lena with great respect and admires everything about her. There is not the slightest amount of humiliation as we have seen it with Arthur and Ashley in GGGB. All they do is consensual, Lena is just as eager to please and tease Seymour as he is vice versa.

He literally views her as a "expression of his desire" and intends to mold her in such thing. Thing, not person. It's just largely mental masturbation on his part, with Lena being a tool. That's not how one treats an actual human being, no matter if they're polite while doing so. And let's not forget Seymour can be also quite abusive towards Lena, effectively ruining her life in attempt to make her submit.

 

[Socrambus]

He literally views her as a "expression of his desire" and intends to mold her in such thing. Thing, not person. It's just largely mental masturbation on his part, with Lena being a tool. That's not how one treats an actual human being, no matter if they're polite while doing so. And let's not forget Seymour can be also quite abusive towards Lena, effectively ruining her life in attempt to make her submit.

Thank you, those are exactly my thoughts and you’ve writen it much better than I would have.

 

[ffive]

There isn't an addiction mechanic in this game is there? Like I know that Ian can get labeled stoner for smoking weed twice, but we haven't seen any flags beyond that for taking drugs?

Either way though I suspect that if drugs are involved with Billy's photoshoot, and Lena has taken MDMA twice, that she probably won't have the option to say no, even if she has a will point.

No, there's no addiction or even hints of such possibility, so far. Having it harder for Lena to turn down the offer if she's taken the drugs twice before is a reasonable presumption, but i'd guess it might require a will point, than be blocked outright. It'd be too abrupt when Lena didn't mention anything like getting a craving for it.

 

[Bishop Robert]

Barely keeping up with the conversation,

All I gotta say is I give ZERO fucks about anything with Axel.

Of all the games I'm currently paying attention to here he is the full bottom of the barrel.

 

[lorkdubo]

Barely keeping up with the conversation,

All I gotta say is I give ZERO fucks about anything with Axel.

Of all the games I'm currently paying attention to here he is the full bottom of the barrel.

Seymour and Axel act like children. So, I do agree.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

just without the easter egg game crash sequence.

ORS was legit gonna cost me a laptop when I took the bait.

 

[Bishop Robert]

Seymour and Axel act like children. So, I do agree.

Seymour with his scenes is at least... different.

 

[Blurpee69]

No, there's no addiction or even hints of such possibility, so far. Having it harder for Lena to turn down the offer if she's taken the drugs twice before is a reasonable presumption, but i'd guess it might require a will point, than be blocked outright. It'd be too abrupt when Lena didn't mention anything like getting a craving for it.

I would have said it could cost a will point to not do drugs at Billy's event, but it already cost a will point just to not take the molly a second time. So if Lena has already done drugs twice I think a more severe penalty should be required to turn it down a third time. No?

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Okay, this discussion needs to stop so I contacted EK (don't ask me how) and can confirm the following:

Ian's dad is Lena's real father! I know what you're thinking, "what, Lena and Ian are blood-related?!?" Actually not because Ian's real father is: SEYMOUR! If you think about it, it all makes sense.

Oh, and Ivy is a trans woman; she is insecure about her "fake" vagina, that's why she doesn't have penetrative sex.

Hope I could help.

 

[Bishop Robert]

Okay, this discussion needs to stop so I contacted EK (don't ask me how) and can confirm the following:

Ian's dad is Lena's real father! I know what you're thinking, "what, Lena and Ian are blood-related?!?" Actually not because Ian's real father is: SEYMOUR! If you think about it, it all makes sense.

Oh, and Ivy is a trans woman; she is insecure about her "fake" vagina, that's why she doesn't have penetrative sex.

Hope I could help.

Dun dun duuuun

 

[SerHawkes]

This is probably not the best circle of folks to ask about sex experience

I kid, i kid. My impression of the "alpha male" and the others like that are quite similar to yours. That said, there is also some outliers who would use such term unironically and actually fit these preconceptions, so, leaving the toxicity of it aside, i can sort-of see it working when it comes to Lena (with her submissive streak) and Jack (with his unashamed ego) If i squint a lot.

Getting called 'Alpha Male' during sex is a mood killer, not to mention a 'you don't really know how to use words good do you?'. It's almost like saying your cock feels like popcorn mid sex and the girl saying give me the butter baby.

Now, I can get calling some 'Alpha' or 'Daddy' at the very least...

 

[MF_DOOM]

I don't agree. On the contrary Seymour is a perfect gentleman. He treats Lena with great respect and admires everything about her. There is not the slightest amount of humiliation as we have seen it with Arthur and Ashley in GGGB. All they do is consensual, Lena is just as eager to please and tease Seymour as he is vice versa.

People misunderstood Seymour, he is definitely a good guy helping Lena and Ian like that.
I think most people are just biased against rich people for no reason. Like they say: "Capitalism is god's way of determining who is smart, and who is poor".

 

[ChaozEnigma]

Hope to see more of Stan x Lena soon!

 

[SerHawkes]

Hope to see more of Stan x Lena soon!

Never gonna happen, unless it's out of pity, then likely it will, lessening the greatness and potential the game had.