There's a Ivy x Holly scene? Or it is just the same scene as the threesome but without Lena joining in?
That's the good stuff. I am counting on Eva to add another voyeur scene in the final version.
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Yeah it's the same scene as the threesome but if Lena doesn't join them that makes it Ivy×Holly, right? Idk if there's variation in writing cause I couldn't stop Lena from Joining them every single time, it just felt wrong you know.
With whom we can sex chat in new beta update .How to get there
Doest we had chat with Jeremy in alpha to
Doest we had chat with Jeremy in alpha to
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Game doesn't really account for that so far. Either Ian is interested in Alison and they start being friends with benefits or he doesn't and she keep using the consolation prize (Jeremy).Yes I think this is exactly the case. I think Alison is also teasing Ian with the whole Jeremy Thing to see if he is jealous or interested in her.
But on the other Hand something like this could also totally backfire since she is ready to sleep with one of her crushes best friends and Ian could realistically be really pissed about this and reject Alison completely after that so she is definitely playing with fire there.
And truth be told i am not really that worried this may happen because they start from being friends so no reason for Ian to get angry at her for having slept with Jeremy before hooking up with him.
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I think it sort of has to. The "player choice" aspect of the story design means that the player has to be made aware somehow when there is an apparent option they can't have as to why that is. The new "greyed out choices" setting was added to this update for a similar reason.
Of course there are clunky ways of doing this, but I think a good writer can gracefully get around it.
You mean the time when either going home with Ivy or going home to Louise where Lena can kiss her? I don't know what hinders Lena from taking the kiss option then.
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There's also a small IanxCherry sexting scene.These are all the possible scenes in chapter 8, might have missed one or two.
Lena×Robert
Lena×Jeremy sexting(Nothing much tbh)
Lena×Ian/Robert/Mike sexting
Lena×Unknown stalkfap user sexting
Lena×Jeremy
Lena×Holly
Lena×Holly×Ivy
Lena×Louise
Ian×Holly(Bj only)
Ian×Minerva
Ian×Lena
Ian×Allison sexting
Ivy×Holly
Jeremy×Emma(Voyeurism)
2 new scenes will be added in final 0.8 version but wouldn't count on it though, last time waited 2 weeks for new scene only to see Ian fapping to Jeremy's Dick
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I have not played every single path so I don't claim to speak authoritatively on this, but in my experience with the game so far all other options are explicitly determined by either being on that characters path or by a specific stat check. In this instance, the LenaxHolly and LenaxHollyxIvy scenes are effected by the implementation of a variable check that was added for the sake of another path.
Lena's character and sensibilities are built by the way the player controls her. If the game was restricted to what her perceived sensibilities are, then there shouldn't be any options for her to cheat at all since she explicitly expresses how much she hates cheating after the situation with Axel. This clearly isn't the case though as she is still freely able to cheat with Robert/Mike/Louise regardless, but for some reason draws the line at Holly (which only happened after the beta changes).
Of course that is the case, but as I said above the other options that don't occur have explicit reasons why they don't happen. Don't pursue Mike? No Mike scenes. Don't sleep with Louise? No Louise scenes. But with Holly you can actively pursue her, have Lena think about her while masturbating on at least two occasions, and then when presented with the option to further that path you are blocked by a variable change that was added to fix something else.Things that happen are more in need of explanation than things that don't. Because there is only one thing that happens but infinite things that don't.
My comment on it being rushed was in reference to the fact that it appears her correction to that one issue may have caused unintended effects on other potential routes. The way I see it currently, is that she added a variable check to help address concerns with one scenario, but that change is now effecting other paths where that variable check makes a lot less sense.It wasn't exactly rushed. She went over one spot a lot of people felt needed change and she apparently agreed. But don't expect her to keep fiddling around until it's perfect. She got things to do
It's not my intention to sound like I am complaining or requesting that she change things further. If my tone is coming across that way I apologize. I am just pointing out that other paths were effected by the change she made and I don't believe that was necessarily intended, but rather the effect of the quick implementation of the variable check.
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Ok, my argument was ignoring the new 'greyed out' option. Because then there is no apparent option to kiss her. It is undistinguishable from any time they were together and the game also wouldn't give you an option to go for her.
I agree an explanation as of why Lena won't go for her would make the game better. I just don't think this is such a big problem. You can easily find other examples of greyed out choices that are not explained. Like when you first meet Cherry, why can't you 'Break the ice' or 'Maintain eye contact with Cherry' or when Ian dances with Emma why can't you 'Grind on Emma'.
A writer can't redo every part of the story someone has a problem with, even if there is a real problem, because she would never complete anything (shoutout to GRRM). EvaKiss has to pop out these novella sized chapters every 3 months, preferably less, she has also to do the art, solve technical issues and keep her patreons happy. GGGB had lots of issues and ORS will have them, too.
Edit: It's an edit! not a new post! Promise I'll shut up eventually
There are no clearly defined character paths. Relationsships influence each other (like Cherry not going out with you again if you went for Allison) Lena's relationship is very much influencing her stance towards Holly.
But she is not a blank slate. She is a defined person. If in one path she gets angry to be put in a spot it makes make sense for her to not put Holly in the same spot. Lena is not cheating on anyone. She isn't in a relationship. Relationships have (conveniently) not been discussed at all.
Hey, no worries.
We are just some people talking about the game. I am near certain she doesn't read this forum anyway.So this is already the second posts above my limit and I am clearly not changing anyones views so I'm gonna shut up now.
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That is exactly what I've been expressing in other comments. The game already has the lena_go_holly variable implemented so Lena wanting to engage with Holly makes perfect sense, but now it is prevented by a different outside variable check.
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Each of those options you gave as examples either have skill checks associated with them or come from explicitly showing interest in the character, so they are inherently explained. Not high enough Charisma? Can't "break the ice". Not enough Lust? Can't grind on Emma. Maintain eye contact? Have to express interest in Cherry during the conversation prior. Nothing in need of explanation there.
Interesting Point about the endings of Milo/Alison and Ian/Gillian and it really seems like Alison waited for Ian to become single to break up with him. But is there really a continuity Problem I also thought it was clear that she ended the relationship? I think the way
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I agree, i think that due to this pairing being heavily focused and well written, there is not complain in this front, so it's not needed to be voiced as much.
While other routes are playing with anticipation-buildup or climax atm, i think this route should evolve to other kind of scenarios. Delving into any kind of exhibitionism, modelling and/or some kind of kink game between them.
I think that it will have a lot of threesomes possibilities down the road (Not talking about the wanted throuple with Holly, just a casual third person in LenaxIan), but seems that Exhibitionism and heavy domination, even pet play are closer at this point.
Both are so into each-other, and their scenes are so full of passion that any kind of domination play, femdom or maledom will be totally wholesome (I truly hope for a switching kind of dynamic), and that's what i'm kind of intrigued to see where Eva will go with both of them.
I hope that it doesn't stale too much, they know enough of their rooms... so it's time to explore another places and take some risks and face some challenges that they get into.
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Switching dynamics would also help with keeping the pairing fresh I think. I've seen it mentioned here and there that some people feel that Ian/Lena is becoming old hat, which makes sense given the amount of sheer content that feature them together.
A pair of tacky handcuffs with pink fur would suit their relationship!
I think, for me at least, is not old.. YET. For me each scene has something unique and a step forward into knowing how push each other buttons better,
It could get old in the next chapters if it doesn't advance, or delve into any kind of fetish / challenge.
Atm, even how well the clicked together in the sheets, they are still figuring which kind of things are the other into, like Ian being more dominant, just for her sake (like the option you have in chapter 8) due to the starting submissive tendencies that Lena has, at least with a male pair due to her previous relationship with Axel.
It's obvious since the start that Lena knows herself sexually better than Ian knows himself, he seems to be figuriing out some of the fetishes that he might be into, just because it's completely obvious that he is way too focused on pleasuring his partner before himself . So i can see, and honestly want, a situation where Lena leads in some kind of tender femdom.
So i wan't them to experiment with the power dynamic, situation, places, and down the road, other people in thressomes for example.
It could get old in the next chapters if it doesn't advance, or delve into any kind of fetish / challenge.
Atm, even how well the clicked together in the sheets, they are still figuring which kind of things are the other into, like Ian being more dominant, just for her sake (like the option you have in chapter 8) due to the starting submissive tendencies that Lena has, at least with a male pair due to her previous relationship with Axel.
It's obvious since the start that Lena knows herself sexually better than Ian knows himself, he seems to be figuriing out some of the fetishes that he might be into, just because it's completely obvious that he is way too focused on pleasuring his partner before himself . So i can see, and honestly want, a situation where Lena leads in some kind of tender femdom.
So i wan't them to experiment with the power dynamic, situation, places, and down the road, other people in thressomes for example.
yep there's a guide by BloodyMares. I think currently it's still on his patreon or something. But eventually it will be put on f95. For now you'll have to settle with the v0.7 final guide, it's on the op.
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Yes, I understand that there are no static defined character paths. In this context I was using "path" to represent the choice to actively pursue a character or not. In the case with Holly, the player gets to choose if Ian and Lena are dating, but then the game has Lena decide for the player whether she wants to sleep with Holly. If Holly made the decision to stop it, then it would feel more reasonable.
Correct, she isn't a blank slate by any means, but once the player is given agency to make decisions for her then the dynamic changes. For instance, when propositioned by Ivy to take the drugs Lena states that she hasn't done hard drugs before and doesn't really have a desire too, but the game gives the player the option to spend a Will point to break Lena's "defined" character and take the drugs. I will cede that it isn't fully cheating since no official relationship has been established, but the fact remains that the presence of Ian and Lena dating does not prevent her from sexually engaging with anyone else except Holly.
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In one sense I don’t mind that we can’t have sex with Holly as Lena if we’re dating Ian. The game makes decisions for us and put limitations on our actions all the time, and I understand the reasoning behind Holly’s special role to both Lena and Ian. But considering the scene is available in other playthroughs, and that the dialogue or Lena’s inner monologue doesn’t really adress why it shouldn’t be an option, I think it breaks the illusion that we’re in control of the scene.
One alternative would be to have the option to kiss Holly, but let her stop it because she knows Lena is dating Ian. Alternatively, and probably the better solution, would be to let Lena acknowledge that she feels attracted to Holly at that moment, but still realise that it would be wrong (if you’ve been faithful to Ian) or that it could have a lot of consequences. Maybe something will be added to it in the final version?
What I’m struggling to understand is how this will affect the possible Lena/Ian/Holly throuple. If Eva’s planning on making that possible, I would think she’d have a clear plan for it. To remove the possibility of both of them being intimate with Holly, and doing it as a rather hasty decision between the Alpha and the Beta, gives the impression that she doesn’t have such a plan.
Or who knows, maybe the plan for a throuple is to let Ian and Lena build their relationship further, and then having Holly involved further down the line? I don’t know that much about the dynamics of polyamorous relationships in real life, but I’d imagine the third person is usually involved when the first two are already in an established relationship, rather than all three persons being a part of the relationship from the start?
One alternative would be to have the option to kiss Holly, but let her stop it because she knows Lena is dating Ian. Alternatively, and probably the better solution, would be to let Lena acknowledge that she feels attracted to Holly at that moment, but still realise that it would be wrong (if you’ve been faithful to Ian) or that it could have a lot of consequences. Maybe something will be added to it in the final version?
What I’m struggling to understand is how this will affect the possible Lena/Ian/Holly throuple. If Eva’s planning on making that possible, I would think she’d have a clear plan for it. To remove the possibility of both of them being intimate with Holly, and doing it as a rather hasty decision between the Alpha and the Beta, gives the impression that she doesn’t have such a plan.
Or who knows, maybe the plan for a throuple is to let Ian and Lena build their relationship further, and then having Holly involved further down the line? I don’t know that much about the dynamics of polyamorous relationships in real life, but I’d imagine the third person is usually involved when the first two are already in an established relationship, rather than all three persons being a part of the relationship from the start?