Satiro

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I don´t understand why we shouldn´t give a negative review about the slow update. If you read my opinions about eva games , i always give a very good opinion about her works, in fact GGGB is one of my favourites and so, i was a backer but so many months in the air mades me a tactical retreat. I respect her games, with a high quality in every aspects( art, plots, choices, sex tags etc)....but from my opinion the update takes too much time to release
 

BlackIsBetter

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Hello, everyone. Earlier today I penned a comment asking about the way to communicate to the Dev and found out they have a Patreon. Wonderful! However, I ran into a conundrum! While I can see every update, the latest one is locked, inaccessible for me! Anyone know what is up with that?
 

Tulrek

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Hello, everyone. Earlier today I penned a comment asking about the way to communicate to the Dev and found out they have a Patreon. Wonderful! However, I ran into a conundrum! While I can see every update, the latest one is locked, inaccessible for me! Anyone know what is up with that?
Did you pledge in Patreon ?
If yes, you might have not pledge a high tier enough to unlock it.
My two cents about that.
 
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I don´t understand why we shouldn´t give a negative review about the slow update. If you read my opinions about eva games , i always give a very good opinion about her works, in fact GGGB is one of my favourites and so, i was a backer but so many months in the air mades me a tactical retreat. I respect her games, with a high quality in every aspects( art, plots, choices, sex tags etc)....but from my opinion the update takes too much time to release
I don't have a problem with the slow updates, but yh she prolly bit off a lil too much. Multiple scenes and variations depending on your choices and it just multiplies. Love the game, but wouldn't mind if she went back to the GGGB template after this game. I feel like there has to exist a happy medium somewhere between the GGGB template and Our Red String.
 

BlackIsBetter

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Did you pledge in Patreon ?
If yes, you might have not pledge a high tier enough to unlock it.
My two cents about that.
I have not pledged to the Patreon but like I said, I can see every other post updating on the game except that latest one. It says it's "Locked". This caused me quite a confusion. I was wondering If maybe pledging to become a Patreon might resolve this issue but I am uncertain if I should do it.
 

Canto Forte

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O.K. this game is looking to implement multiple paths as a plot devise.
Lena has a lot of asshole guys who treat or treated her like dirt and now they wanna piece of her.
Ian has some friends who are kind of a drag and keep getting him out for drinks and girls.
Ian is out of luck with girls, looking at his friends 4 help. He has a challenge.
Lena is just like that other game - plenty of players wanna whore her out to every asshole looking under her skirt.
If this would have had only 1 MC, which would you prefer? Ian or Lena?
 
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monk_56

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My two cents are the following. If you want to criticise Eva for the development of ORS, you should criticise her for the decisions she has made regarding the scope of the game - not for milking her patrons, or for purposefully slowing down the release of new chapters.

While the game certainly takes much longer to develop, it is not like the updates don't come with any additional content, that corresponds to the additional time taken. Generally, the average chapter of ORS contains more scenes and more images than the average episode of GGGB, so the additional development is clearly used to pack more into each update. Therefore, I don't think that you can say that she is milking her patrons, as that would mean the updates are constantly being delayed without any output to show for it.

Instead, it is abundantly clear to me that the reason why this game takes so long to develop nowadays, is because she has taken on twice the amount of work. Assuming that you want to keep the content per MC roughly the same as in GGGB, adding an additional MC immediately implies that you would need to double the work you do, even if you wouldn't intertwine their stories at all. However, their stories are intertwined, which means that you must now consider not only how each MC relates to their own closest group of characters, but also how each MC relates to the other MC's closest group of characters. Naturally, this makes the game increasingly complicated to develop, with longer times between updates as a consequence.

Both of these are caused by Eva herself, though, which makes me less sympathetic to her development struggles, and less accepting of the increased development time. Literally anyone could have predicated that this was going to happen when she announced that the game was going to have to MCs, which makes you wonder how Eva decided to move forward with that idea. Likely, all of the problems could have been solved by just keeping the scope at a reasonable level, something that Eva is solely responsible for. For this, I think you have every right to criticise her, and express dissatisfaction at how long the game is taking to develop.

Further, the development tendencies aren't great either. Looking back, the game was actually released relatively frequently for the first five (or so) chapters, after which it has slowed down tremendously. It feels as if every status update contains some comment about how the week wasn't as productive as she would have liked, or how she is struggling with the writing. Clearly, this is a worrying trend, because it suggest that the development is unlikely to speed up, and that, if anything, it will probably slow down, which is once again a consequence of the decisions that she has made regarding the cope of the game.

Personally, I also feel quite annoyed with how Eva seems to have completely accepted that this is now a game that takes five months to develop, and is making no effort to find ways to reduce this time. As long as this doesn't impact her patron numbers, she isn't really incentivized to do so either, which adds to the impression that this game is more likely to slow down in development, rather than speed up, and that Eva really hasn't managed this in the best way possible.

Overall, then, I think that you can criticise Eva for several things when it comes to the development of ORS. Milking, is not one of them. Mismanaging the scope and development, though, is something that I do think Eva has made herself guilty of. It is just unfortunate that it has come to this, because at the end of the day, we all just want as many updates as possible. And while five months can be a huge update for a 3D game, a 2D game does't really compare in this regard...
If you like all the routes waiting 5 months for the product you get seems acceptable. If you are mainly waiting on a couple routes and find many of them depressing instead of erotic the releases tend to be pretty underwhelming. As such, the value proposition of being a Eva Patreon is pretty heavily linked to kink diversity.
 

Samuel Hidayat

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Ian for sure. Lena's POV is still more about corruption and flings, while Ian's POV focuses on his creative struggles and career, as well as helping his friends, which itself is much more interesting.
I'd say her corruption and fling-filled POV is intricately tied to her money and career struggles. Seymour alone is a prime example.

This is why I'm a bit reluctant to pair up Ian with Lena, her path has so many landmines lmao.
 

grunwaldzki

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I'd say her corruption and fling-filled POV is intricately tied to her money and career struggles. Seymour alone is a prime example.

This is why I'm a bit reluctant to pair up Ian with Lena, her path has so many landmines lmao.
Samizuki Hydaiko killed Lena by running her over in his ford freestyle
 

Oliver Wendell Homely

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If this would have had only 1 MC, which would you prefer? Ian or Lena?
I really like Ian's path, but Lena's has so many temptations for her, just as Ian does. Not to get political, but why is it normal if Ian wants to chase all kinds of sexual opportunities, but if Lena does it's "corruption"? Both Ian and Lena face risks (hurt feelings and STDs, to name two) as they get more careless with sex, but otherwise there's nothing inherently wrong with Lena having and enjoying sex as much as Ian does. At any rate, Lena's path is more erotic to me.
 

Canto Forte

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”course it is more erotic, hence the whole reason eva was created,
to be the twist in adam”s mind and keep him off them damned apples!
if Lena does
Lena has it easy, this is the story, me not made it up.
She goes nekkid, a number of guys just jump on her.
That is her story. That is her ”career”. So she has no redeaming qualities to work on.
Just drop even more of her clothes, on top of being treated like a sex object on the jobs she takes.

She has baggage with a number of pals who are easy shags if she just forgets how bad they are.
Ian has nobody, guys be joking of his ineptitude
and that barman keeps twisting the dagger with his hookups.

So play Ian and rinse him of bad habbits while trying to land him somebody, anybody.
Then go right into Lena and jump on any number of guys who just immagine her a meat sleeve for their ....
 
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bauman

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If this would have had only 1 MC, which would you prefer? Ian or Lena?
Definitely Ian. I think his path is vastly superior to Lena's as of 0.9. Better plot/conflict, better character interactions, better scenes, etc. For the most part, I view Lena's side of the story as a rethread of GGGB, but GGGB did it way better because it had a superior main cast, and the game's simplistic story encourages multiple playthroughs on different paths. In ORS, starting from the beginning feels like a chore to me if you don't CTRL+skip through everything.
 
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