VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.6] [Eva Kiss]

[Geralt From Rivia]

Apparently Lenas (step-)dad has cancer and is in remission?
I'd believe it would be hard to fake cancer and the treatments have noticeable side-effects, like e.g. his complete baldness. I am not familiar how much medication and medical care is actually needed while in remission, but compared to an ongoing therapy fighting acute cancer it should be way less.
Lenas dad had to sell his bakery due to his illness and seems to be partially disabled since then. He never recovered his old strength and isn't working full-time or at all. Lenas mom does a subpar job to cover for it and her brother is apparently also useless in that regard.
So it looks to me like her parents problem at the moment is mainly stemming from the income side than the expense side of their household budget.
While it is true, their current predicament is indeed based on his illness, i actually don't feel like there is enough effort from especially her mother and her brother to ease the situation. It's just not fair to rely to that degree on their also struggling daughter, who had to give up her college education already and is now working two jobs as a waitress, while her mother doesn't.

This would depend very much on their cultural background and the country they would live in. In most parts of the world, people have to rely on their families, because they have a non-existent social security system.
I can't recall if it is ever mentioned in which country ORS takes place, but from the mainly white cast with a rather high percentage of characters from other ethnic backgrounds it's imo safe to say it's either western europe, canada or the USA. The dominance of english given names point to either Great Britain (however i would expect at least one south-asian character there), or Canada or the USA.

While in the USA such behaviour may be normal and justified, i'd feel like not so much in the other two countries.

MyLena feels obligated to contribute, but only if her own situation allows spending money on her family. Thus myLena skipped at least one payment, but transferred money on other occasions.

In my country, it is considered noble to help sick parents, because medicine is quite expensive and the insurance system is underdeveloped. But here in the game it's a completely different matter... Eva couldn't develop my empathy for her father with cancer because the storyline of Lena's parents didn't go up enough. They were always the background until Ep 9, sometimes called in, infiltrating the storyline, but it was weak. Of course, I sent them money, but at the same time I wondered: "Should I do this?" This is the moment that got me thinking.
Cancer is indeed very expensive to treat. I can't imagine how expensive it is if a person does not have health insurance. But I agree that it's bad that they put it on their daughter, who has her own future, dreams and goals. And how persistently they beg for money.
Of course, if Eva had paid more attention to this storyline, for example, adding a dramatic scene of Lena talking heart to heart with her father in a hospital bed or flashbacks from childhood that appeal to touching feelings ... then maybe I would have more empathy for them.

 

[selberdreher]

In my country, it is considered noble to help sick parents, because medicine is quite expensive and the insurance system is underdeveloped. But here in the game it's a completely different matter... Eva couldn't develop my empathy for her father with cancer because the storyline of Lena's parents didn't go up enough. They were always the background until Ep 9, sometimes called in, infiltrating the storyline, but it was weak. Of course, I sent them money, but at the same time I wondered: "Should I do this?" This is the moment that got me thinking.
Cancer is indeed very expensive to treat. I can't imagine how expensive it is if a person does not have health insurance. But I agree that it's bad that they put it on their daughter, who has her own future, dreams and goals. And how persistently they beg for money.
Of course, if Eva had paid more attention to this storyline, for example, adding a dramatic scene of Lena talking heart to heart with her father in a hospital bed or flashbacks from childhood that appeal to touching feelings ... then maybe I would have more empathy for them.

Reached my reaction limit for today, so expect a like from me tomorrow.

I think i get from where you come from (figuratively), if there was such a flashback included in the game it would had definetly a deeper emotional impact, and helping her parents would had become nearly imperative, unless we wanted to play a heartless, 'bad' daughter.
Perhaps it was an accidental slip or Eva thought it may be too intrusive to add such a forceful scene or -as i'd like to believe- it was deliberately left out to enable the player to decide why Lena should help or not and if it is really necessary or not.

Iirc there is a variable which keeps count of the payments, so there may be a repercussion down the line.
As of now i treat it gameplay wise as another money sink, designed to tighten or relax Lenas financial situation.

On that note: has anyone already pushed Lena into debts? If so, has it consequences yet? Like is she forced to accept certain jobs e.g. stalkfap?

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Reached my reaction limit for today, so expect a like from me tomorrow.

I think i get from where you come from (figuratively), if there was such a flashback included in the game it would had definetly a deeper emotional impact, and helping her parents would had become nearly imperative, unless we wanted to play a heartless, 'bad' daughter.
Perhaps it was an accidental slip or Eva thought it may be too intrusive to add such a forceful scene or -as i'd like to believe- it was deliberately left out to enable the player to decide why Lena should help or not and if it is really necessary or not.

Iirc there is a variable which keeps count of the payments, so there may be a repercussion down the line.
As of now i treat it gameplay wise as another money sink, designed to tighten or relax Lenas financial situation.

On that note: has anyone already pushed Lena into debts? If so, has it consequences yet? Like is she forced to accept certain jobs e.g. stalkfap?

As far as I know, it is impossible to get into debt at the moment, that is, the amount of money cannot fall below 0.
I tried to buy the most expensive tattoo in Ep. 9 but it didn't work because I didn't have enough money (I bought all the sex toys before and spent everything I had ). There is no credit system yet.

 

[Mesmerizet]

The issue with Ian when it comes to "rough sex" is his appearance. Even if he can have it with Lena, like the others have mentioned, he lacks the physique for it. I mentioned few months ago that Ian is designed to be "the most average man alive" to encompass the broadest range of the player base.

He is the average height (5' 8), he is white, 20-something, has brown hair, neither skinny nor fat nor muscular; and while you can play the game to make him a "Chad" he still lacks the appearance that people usually associate with Chads. That's why Axel, Mike and Jeremy are more appropriate since they are either muscular or muscular and tall.

It would be nice if Ian could eventually become more muscular if you make him train enough but that would mean every sex scene he is in would need to be drawn twice (one with regular Ian and one with muscular Ian) and I think we all know that means just more work for the Dev.

Then again, GGGB had Ashley change her appearance a lot throughout the game so I wouldn't count this opportunity out. I would definitely like to see it implemented in the game. Would definitely raise my interest in Ian's scenes by a lot.

Tbh I think Mike is literally just Robert with a few changes. Nothing that interesting about him.
Axel is definitely made to be pinnacle of men in this game, and yes I agree Ian is a bit average. I think there should be a more visual effect on Ian's appearance throughout the game depending on his choices (eg. at the gym). Say, he can turn muscular/shredded or end up being a couch potato like Wade.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Tbh I think Mike is literally just Robert with a few changes. Nothing that interesting about him.
Axel is definitely made to be pinnacle of men in this game, and yes I agree Ian is a bit average. I think there should be a more visual effect on Ian's appearance throughout the game depending on his choices (eg. at the gym). Say, he can turn muscular/shredded or end up being a couch potato like Wade.

I see the difference between Mike and Robert. Big difference.
Mike is a self-confident and easy going guy. He looks more physically active and sports.
Robert is a soyjack who playing wannabe Chad, with a shitty personality. He's frustrated every time when things don't go according to his plan. Total drama queen.
Robert is skinny compared to Mike and cannot satisfy Lena well. She has to use various tricks to get to orgasm.

He deserves to be beaten twice but I didn't want to ruin Lena's performance.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

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I see the difference between Mike and Robert. Big difference.
Mike is a self-confident and easy going guy.
Robert is a soyjack who playing wannabe Chad, with a shitty personality. He's frustrated every time when things don't go according to his plan. Total drama queen.
He deserves to be beaten twice but I didn't want to ruin Lena's performance.

We are talking about physical appearances.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

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We are talking about physical appearances.

My bad...it's a tough morning
They also different physically.
Mike is well built athletically, it is clear that he goes in for sports and takes care of himself.
Robert looks like spaghetti.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

My bad...it's a tough morning
They also different physically.
Mike is well built athletically, it is clear that he goes in for sports and takes care of himself.
Robert looks like spaghetti.

Yeah I agree, Mike is well built while Robert is not. Altough I'm not sure how Robert looks like exactly since the last time I did anything with him was when Chapter 9 came out which was a year ago XD

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Yeah I agree, Mike is well built while Robert is not. Altough I'm not sure how Robert looks like exactly since the last time I did anything with him was when Chapter 9 came out which was a year ago XD

I still have game on PC and play it periodically to refresh my memory. I want to make another full-fledged branch before the release of Ep.10, I think now there may be 7-8 routes.
Oh yeah, so what am I talking about? Robert is still ugly.

 

[dundun]

On that note: has anyone already pushed Lena into debts? If so, has it consequences yet? Like is she forced to accept certain jobs e.g. stalkfap?

EvaKiss wrote early on in development that managing the MC's budget would be important in the game. In your phone there is an budget tab and there it can list your debt. Before the rewrite Ian could go in debt by not paying rent to Perry but that has been removed in the Remaster.
So the whole debt idea might have been dropped. You always pay your rent after getting your wages so you always have the money.
On the other hand now both can be out of jobs so it could be possible.
On the other other hand they should have payed rent in chapter 8 and they didn't so the whole budgeting idea might have gone the way of the dodo

Spoiler: Also, just found an easter egg: after losing his job Ian contemplates ...

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[eomer]

Shouldn't be there a "Body modification" tag

 

[Varrilete]

My grand children will be able to play the complete version of this, developed of course by Eva´s grand childrens LOL

 

[Doppelgang]

glad to see the game still updated,cant wait for 0.11 to release in 2025

Oh man I never heard any joke similar to this ever, did you come up with it yourself?

You’re doing this wrong. When someone tells the 2025 joke, you’re supposed to say “2025?!? More like 2030”, and preferably add a couple of . Then I’ll pop in from the side and do the “sometime in the future my grandchildren can play the end of this game” joke. Then we’ll lean back, satisfied with ourselves, until we come back next week to repeat the same process.

My grand children will be able to play the complete version of this, developed of course by Eva´s grand childrens LOL

Took a couple of weeks, but the circle is finally complete.

 

[mommysboiii]

I think Jeremy agrees with you 100%. Gotta seal that Eskimo brother deal no matter what.

I hope jeremy outperforms ian would be hotand a femdom/blackmail minvera route for ian pls

 

[mommysboiii]

Sure. It's all about preferences, honestly. I think that's part of Eva's success. Though the main characters will always basically look the same, except for some cosmetic changes (or the big tits for Ashley in GGGB), the amount of choices you can make in how you play your character(s) draws in a lot of users, as much as it might not grab as many of the largest demographic of paying porn-game players (which I assume are out-of-shape, late teens/early-20's male shut-ins, at least based on STS success).

I personally relate to Wade more, or a different-universe Wade who appreciates what he has a bit more. IMO, he'd also be a very interesting MC, playing as the character to get him out of his slump. IMO, he's one of the better-written characters in the game, despite all the hate for him.

Yes this game NEEDS STD skill checks d 20 BABy gj ian

 

[Shadowndev99]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......! I want update

 

[JohnnyKiss]

I hope jeremy outperforms ian would be hotand a femdom/blackmail minvera route for ian pls

There is definitely going to be an option for Ian to just watch (possibly can't get it up). He already jerks off to pictures and videos of Jeremy fucking girls so why not enjoy some live performance?

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Took a couple of weeks, but the circle is finally complete.

I love all the roasting Eva is getting for these long updates. At least people are being funny when criticizing the game instead of those "dis game abunduned!1!" comments.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

No dont do that soy/wimp ian best ian

Knowing how kinky Eva's mind is, I'm sure she'll add something like that to the game. I don't mind as long as it's optional and there is a choice. Let everyone enjoy their kinks. But my Ian will remain playboy, macho and Chad.
Too bad you can't develop all perks at the same time. Imagine asking the question at the end of the game:
- Ian Watts, who the hell are you?
- Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.

 

[BloodyMares]

Cancer is indeed very expensive to treat. I can't imagine how expensive it is if a person does not have health insurance. But I agree that it's bad that they put it on their daughter, who has her own future, dreams and goals. And how persistently they beg for money.

They never really beg for money. Even Lena's mom tells her to look after herself first and foremost, and that she feels guilty for taking the money from her daughter who has it tough making ends meet. Lena herself wants to help her parents, that's why you might think that you're "forced" to help. Lena is used to helping them so keeping the money is something new and uncomfortable to her, despite her somewhat poor relationship with her mother, and while it can be interpreted as selfish, it can also be liberating and help Lena's parents feel less like a burden.

As far as I know, it is impossible to get into debt at the moment, that is, the amount of money cannot fall below 0.
I tried to buy the most expensive tattoo in Ep. 9 but it didn't work because I didn't have enough money (I bought all the sex toys before and spent everything I had ). There is no credit system yet.

There is a separate debt system, it's not tied to your Money stat (can't own a negative number of something). If you go to the Budget, there is "Owed" count. Currently she doesn't owe anything to anybody, but I imagine if she accepts Seymour's contract and breaks it, she'd owe him 10 Money that he has paid her upfront. Before the Remaster, Ian could owe 1 Money to Perry for not being able to pay rent, but perhaps Eva thought it complicated their relationship prematurely and decided against it for now (might happen in future chapters instead).