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Patreon Snafu Loses 20-25% of Projects' August Payments
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Gomly1980
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- Jul 4, 2017
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Those are from years ago about things that could have happened. They never did.
The only thing perma blocked across all ISP's is ** and not a single person complained about that.
Thanks for the the info, still after some research I think it's a valid concern considering (and here is a quotation from the second link dated 8 May 2018) "Age verification of all pornographic content was supposed to be mandatory from April 2018. But the plans have now been pushed back to later this year"
- Jun 10, 2017
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No, no and no. There isn't a single start of clue saying that they moved the company to UK. Anyway it would be a really shitty move from Patreon since taxation is surely more in their advantage in the USA that in the UK (UK isn't Ireland). In addition, like by doing this they would depend of the English Law, they would have to monitor even more their content, since Free Speech isn't a constitutional right in the UK, and defamation can lead to way more hard time than in the USA.
Not even talking about the fact that it would imply the need to move the headquarter to the UK and so either enroll more people, or make some of their employees move to the UK.
What is said, here and there, is that they moved their payment process to the UK (or changed for one based in the UK, difficult to filter the truth until they talk themselves), which is different (and just half a shitty move).
Volta
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I'm British, i use a Brit ISP naturally and have 0 censorship of adult content that is considered legal and almost never come across censorship at all. BDSM isn't censored, it is legal and therefore not censored, the whole "Hadrian's firewall" thing is massively overplayed, people see "96% coverage" and think OMG i can't watch someone spank someone else, this is utter rubbish. The kicker here is and has always been the legal definition of "extreme", basically rape (though rape play and violent rape are not always considered equal), brutality, scat and underage (perhaps bestiality too but i'm uncertain on this) are no goes, otherwise your fine.
Don't mistake 96% coverage for 96% censoring, the legal definitions are more lax than you'd think and i would expect far less than 1% of the overall porn content to be even vaguely effected, your far more likely to come across censoring in the UK in piracy than in porn, but hey what is Tor for?.
Us Brits tend not to worry that much about the grey area content, just the very most extreme that is legally considered harmful, while i don't doubt this is true everywhere the one that is going to get you caught is underage content, GCHQ doesn't piss around, you expect a knock at the door pretty quick for that one.
I don't think it makes much difference for us content wise Anne, and doesn't change the implication that the rules had to be stricter because of this- UK based banks/payment processors...yes, you guessed right, fall under UK laws and patreon has shown unwillingness to jump through hoops this year.
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There isn't neither a single clue stating that the rules are stricter because of this. For now the only fact is that, because the payment processor have moved to another country without warning, a lot of banks saw the payment as fraudulent and blocked it. And that's all.
The transactions weren't blocked because of what was payed, but because they were suddenly made from another country, which looked more than suspicious for the bank's security algorithms.
Say/think what you want about Patreon, what I see myself with this situation, is that only less than 1 out of 4 use a bank which automatically protect them against fraudulent use of their card number. I'm sorry for the creators, who are sometimes in deep shit because of this, but if your own pledge(s) have been blocked, be happy, you use a reliable bank and can sleep in peace.
That, and the fact that Patreon still do stupid move, are the only things taught to us by this incident.
Gomly1980
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Calm down chicken little, the sky isn't falling.
The UK doesn't have anything against adult content.
The one and only thing they censor is ** and that was universally agreed on, voters included. Nobody had a single problem with ** being censored.
Delmach
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You say universally agreed on, and earlier you said it also includes loli and shota. Im quite sure the UK's definition of ** is not so universally agreed on. Even less so on this forum.
And you say: "There won't be a Patreon alternative for many years, if ever."
Im wondering where you get your information to be so sure on everything. I for one would love to stop dealing with Paypal, and maybe having a tiny bit of inconvenience because of that would be worth it. After all, Paypal got big, so can new services. Especially nowdays where people are quite upset about censorship in general.
Nothing like a force of arguments, eh Gom? You probably won't win a prize for the most objective journalism, but your post count suggest you certainly like to write
.Good read, and I'll take your word for it because there are some discrepancies between what I've read about the subject some time ago and your post, for example:
and after a quick search I've found:
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HiEv
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And is that supposed to be a counter-argument?Nothing like a force of arguments, eh Gom? You probably won't win a prize for the most objective journalism, but your post count suggest you certainly like to write
As for his post count, I'd say the fact that his like number being higher than his post count says a lot more than his post count alone.
Either way it's irrelevant. If you have an argument, make it, don't merely attack the people who disagree. That's not a real argument. Your followup post was far more useful in that regard.
Anyways, it looks like the numbers are settling down to around an 8-10% loss of revenue. Unfortunately, it's likely to be multiplied across several months.
Bobby (the author of "House Party") tried to start pledging to one project and here's what happened:
And, to end on a more humorous note, I present this tweet:
HiEv
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And in other Patreon can't stop screwing up news, this just in:
Multiple people running Patreon campaigns have reported that they're unable to refund contributions, and are getting error messages when they try.
When asked for comment, Patreon said they were "looking into it."
...Seriously, when is the market going to replace this clown-car of a service?
Multiple people running Patreon campaigns have reported that they're unable to refund contributions, and are getting error messages when they try.
When asked for comment, Patreon said they were "looking into it."
...Seriously, when is the market going to replace this clown-car of a service?