Pettanko's, Loli's, Taboo's, and Hard Questions.

[Sam Urai]

What happened to Pettanko genre?

Are all pettanko's now loli's?

Are all loli's children?

And even if so, is a person entertaining loli or shota, a pedophile?


Okay, I'm a guy that's always been attracted to petite women, ADULT women, and has always found larger or "thicc" women to be unattractive. I've had a few in college that were larger framed, still phyically fit, just big; but they never could move or fuck or fit in your arms the way a 5'6 110lb little spinner could. That being said, I've always found it more attractive for my fantasy characters to be of similar proportions. I've noticed however, that there is almost NO "Petite" or "Pettanko" genre anymore... all new content being generated seems to be launched into extremes of large oversized tits and asses, or small almost childish or even overtly childish characters that make you wonder whether you're going to have to fry your hard drive and buy a VPN for getting your petite woman fetish scratched.

And when trying to discern one from the other, we only have the "loli" tag to know whether we might be downloading something that's against the law or not.

So where are all of the Pettanko's? and by that i mean, where are the animated women who were adults, yet of smaller frame? I remember that the term used to be popular a few years ago, and now it doesn't seem seem to exist as a tag.
Also, i've noticed in some instances the loli character is definitely an adult, but still called loli, and its confusing.

While yes, it is weird to me that people would fantasize about childish sexual interaction; i cant help but wonder, are they right in being targeted as pedophiles or sexual deviants? I mean, if so, then not only is everyone who's ever played a FPS, and headshot someone, now considered a murderer; but everyone who has ever watched game of thrones emilia clarke get raped by the horse lord, now guilty of consuming **********, and emily clark herself and everyone else in that shoot, now guilty of manufacturing **********. the character was 14 in the book, and the show makes no allusion as per her age. I'm just being objective here.

on another note, even for adolescent sexual encounters, would it be wrong to be attracted to such? If one considers the fact that it is natural and hard coded into both male and female biology to be attracted to the opposite sex that has attained the level of development for sexual reproduction, then there is nothing deviant about being attracted to such's bodies; and we're talking about on a base instinctual level here. That's scientific fact. That's why jail bait actually works and is called jail bait, because its bait.

My point is this, how can there be no moral equivalency between the fantasies and imaginings of one thing here, and another thing just as bad over there; along with blanket terms and classifications applied to anyone who comes close, simply so that dumb cunt cops who are too shitty or cowardly to chase after ACTUAL HUMAN TRAFFICKERS, have a job? and i say cowardly because im pretty sure those guys would try to kill you. (and yes, i'm talking to some of the lurkers that, lets be REALISTIC, ARE COPS AND ARE IN THIS FORUM. RIGHT NOW.) Not to mention, ABSOLUTELY NO SCIENCE DONE TO PROVE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

that said, the thought of sexual interaction with a minor, sickens me. I can understand how men getting wrapped up in a lie, or the moment, and not knowing the age of an 18 year old, could not be a fault; but children? that's fucked up. regardless, the "edginess" of the subject makes me uncomfortable, yet still, i like the young adult women and characters that i like.

I for one, don't want to be labelled as a pedo for being attracted to 18-20 year old petite women, or consuming porn that depicts such women yet MIGHT BE conceptually interpreted to be something different; by those who have an agenda. i mean, have you seen Dakota Skye or Krystal Boyd? holy fuck me YES PLEASE!

i cannot make sense of the demographics, subjective definitions, or psychology of such.


Other than that, i'll simply state that all of the taboo premises are getting old, fast. cant find a thing these days that doesnt involve fucking your mother/sister/cousins. is there anything, perverted and sexy, yet "normal" anymore?

Finally, I REALIZE that im risking TROLLING by simply posting this, so im going to assume that those who do such to this post ARE COPS, or trolls, and request that the posts be deleted, along with blocking the profiles. Please keep the discussion serious, intelligent, high minded.

EDIT: Disclaimer: i do avoid the loli tag and loli content simply because you cant tell when youre getting petite young women or when some asshole dev wants to throw a child into the game; i simply want to see the justification of such. How is virtual murder legal, yet certain sexual fantasies not? justify it.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Now, there are definitely a lot of curvy women fans here on this site, and a lot of games for them, but there's also a lot of petite content, you just, like the rest of humanity, have a tendency to remember with more vigor that which you don't like. Games like Sisterly Lust, Parental Love, Harem Hotel, Ecchi Sensei, and more all have characters with small body types in spades.

As to Pettanko, to be honest, I never saw that tag once until after all the people started cracking down on Loli online. Pettanko became the rallying cry for hiding loli behind a different tag. There's plenty of content to be found, you just have to be willing to look.

 

[viewfinderlife]

I understand your rallying cry for petites, but they're out there. I wish there was more, don't get me wrong man, i like my shorties in the 5'-5'2" range myself. But as DarthSeduction suggested, check those games out. As you can see two are in my sig, and I also give Sisterly Lust a big ol' hell yeah too. That game exhausts me. Petites galore, lots of sex, can't go wrong.

 

[Sam Urai]

so, i rechecked the rules, and see there is a rule 7. does that mean that all content on this site can be construed as "SAFE" similar to the laws that pornhub and other such sites go through to ensure no minor content?

 

[SeventhVixen]

I guess Safe depends on country or platform. Maybe it's safe for the country the server is on. Defitnely there are lots of links to college-age japanesse games that should not been allowed on steam for example..

Anyway, I had to wiki "pettakon", it only talk about flat-chested woman, but I guess I should forgot about the exact word, cause you also use the petite word. well, of course there are indeed among the big plethora of characters in games petites here and there, (my personal real-life favorite for your same reasons but in games I care less because there is no real body proportions/weights to take place between me and the characters..).

I doubt there will be many games, "non loli" (I just get lost will all "japanesse tags"), just for the sake of understanding, Not about tennagers, that only feature petite bodies. That just detract variety. Also, depending on the target plataform of the game, a exclusive petite body game would may be interpretated as "secret tennagers". It's easy to find petite bodies in teenagers in game, but in adults, less. There are some reasons for that, like artistic reasons (help to diferentiate a grown woman from a tennager. Same with man). Real World is full of women with petites bodies? Of course, that's just reality. In many countries most woman with standard height that are thin will be considered kinda petite, being just underheight of standard is not difficult.

But, problems described before.

As a dev that us Daz3d, I can say that sometimes it's difficult to make thin short females that don't look like child. Or tennagers that does not look wrong (and have variety for them, not only one good character). That and if the dev doesn't tamper with the "height" slider, often forgot, you end up with a majority of non petites nor even close characters.

But anyway, any study about biological attraction explains simply why man can like petite woman, or voluptuous, and also depending on the moment of their lifes. (In the end, a voluptuous young girl is seen as "grown", and a adult woman very petite is considered "childish").

Personally, as I model nearly all my characters, a woman that is not particularly tall, tall and strong, corpulent,, is by default at least a bit petite, to make them more just the reality I seen everyday, and that I like at the same time.

a pair of attached examples:

 

[DarthSeduction]

so, i rechecked the rules, and see there is a rule 7. does that mean that all content on this site can be construed as "SAFE" similar to the laws that pornhub and other such sites go through to ensure no minor content?

As Rule 7 states, it is handled on a case by case basis. The general rule of thumb is that the characters must look like they've at least started puberty. However, this doesn't stop pettanko. Feminine curves are a part of what comes with puberty. The game I mentioned before, Ecchi Sensei, while you need a patch for them, definitely pushes the boundaries of rule 7. Secondary soft rule, 3D is handled with greater prejudice than 2D. It's a lot harder to argue 2D is a realistic child, but 3D, not so much. Still, as I said, at least the one game I mentioned already pushes the boundaries of that rule pretty hard.

 

[PokemasterLord]

For one I blame part of the guilty of this 'issue' on the softwares used to make the 3D models. It appears that things like Honey Select really dont have good results for such body type, and some games with other tools (like Sistely Lust and Dating my Daughter; could be wrong here as I dont understand a lot about it but I can see that those models are vastly different from the ones from lets say Waifu Academy and Max's Life) you see that the dev try their best to make 18+ petite characters but they always kinda fall on the looks of underaged girls even when they are clearly not (by being stated over and over on the game itself). I kinda blame some tools because it seems that its impossible to have a girl with an adult sized head and a petite body. What they can do (and sometimes dont, so this is also on the devs) is to add some bush in there to indicate better that the puberty has hit the girl already.

Im a fan of the woman figure on its almost entirety, be it petite, fit, normal, thick and chubby (not a fan of obese or mustular girls myself), but it appears that the more vuluptous body type is more often better accepted (hell, some games only have balloon like boobs everywhere), and with the tools usually also pending to that side its harder to see the lower end of the spectrum.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Petite women can be fairly curvy, too.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Making petite characters in HS is really easy, actually. Granted, if you do go too flat, the clothing starts to look a little odd, as it's all designed with breasts in mind, but petite characters are really easy to make.



These are a few I've made and I'm really new to using it.

As for Daz, I'd say it's even easier, though you have to deal with the fact that Daz itself is harder to use than HS which does most of the work for you.

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See, I really suck with daz, and this is some stuff I was able to make in it. The nsfw pic of the blonde is the exact same model the girl in the striped sweater has, I just changed her hair for this shot.

There's nothing wrong with using the software to make petite characters, just in people not being interested in it, much of the time.

If you thought the shcoolgirls in Sisterly Lust or Dating My Daughter were meant to look like adults you're fooling yourself. Those characters are "18" because they have to be. IIRC, D, from DMD was originally meant to have a similar body to her flat friend and ostensibly be a preteen/young teenager, that was changed to meet with western standards.

What they can do (and sometimes dont, so this is also on the devs) is to add some bush in there to indicate better that the puberty has hit the girl already.

Because hair is the only thing that determines that, am I right guys?

 

[PokemasterLord]

Well, its something you can do when everything else fails. Ive seen a lot of people say that a girl thats clearly not a kid on the games around here is a loli just because of absense a single hair in their pussy. Im not asking for a full 80's forest, but a thin line of pubes does wonders on peoples's head.

 

[SeventhVixen]

Petite women can be fairly curvy, too.

Well, pronunciated curves of a petite woman is not the same as a curvy short woman... There is technique in making a petite woman do not look like a tennager, when most of the skin of the characters by defaults is impolute. From the chars DarthSeduction posted, some of them (give or take) look like teenagers(less than 20 years), like the two first from honey select and the second from Daz. (in my opinion)

I don't know about HS, but in Daz I think that is difficult to make a Sexy, Adult, Realistic proportions, Petite body, (the four things at the same time) that does not look like a teenager, and sure half of time texture or a sweet face can be to blame.
Of course you can go the opossite way and just take a texture from that new chainsmoker mid 50 ladies on Generation 8... But that's not it.

Anyway when I say that I think it's difficult, I mostly say that it's and additional time (and knowledge and morph assets) that sure some devs just don't do.

 

[DarthSeduction]

like the two first from honey select and the second from Daz. (in my opinion)

So, here's what's funny about that, every single purple haired girl is the exact same body. I tweaked her hair a few times because I wasn't happy with how it looked for what I was going for.

Similarly, I was asking on the hub about the age of the blonde, and the answer varied widely based on the ponytail or the hair down. Honestly, I think there's a sense of "If you don't look 40 the moment you turn 20 you're a 12 year old and I feel like a pedophile" vibe to a lot of people's complaints with petite characters. When I was a teen, I came across the softcore (at the time) porn star Ariel Rebel. I've always found her attractive. She's in her thirties now, doesn't look much different than she did at 18. Similarly, Riley Reed, or Dakota Skye look incredibly young unless they put them in incredibly slutty makeup. Others, like Elsa Jean, Gina Valentina, and really, I could go on all day, should show people that what they picture as "looking like an adult" and what actually is the look of an adult woman in their 20s are two different things.

 

[おい！]

IMO https://f95zone.to/threads/honey-select-illusion.1317/ is the way to go for petites, and Illusion even shared a height chart, for those who want to be accurate

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and if you use the bone modifier, you can also change the size of the feet and hands, so you don't end up with feet and hands being too big.

I do not know anything about daz3d, but with HS you can shag anything you create straight away.

 

[Sam Urai]

so basically, any and all petite characters can subjectively be called "children" or "loli", because the viewer sees cartoony small or animated small characters and psychologically interprets it as such... regardless of the subjective views of the creator or other consumers.

@DarthSeduction - yeah, harem hotel is pretty cool. love the elf model. wish i could find one like that in real life . but echii sensei gave me the creeps. i checked the patch, after downloading the unpatched version and seeing it was incomplete, and it specifically mentioned "underage fetish". I deleted at that point. it would definitely be one of those in the "is this legal and should it be here?" category. i mean, dont get me wrong, my high school days were some of the best sex of my life; but i wouldn't wanna be labelled wrong or wrongfully prosecuted for taking a trip down memory lane or similar fantasy lane.

 

[viewfinderlife]

I'm all for more petites and no incest loli's. For the record, there are a few characters that make me really uncomfortable in Ecchi Sensei, so I avoid them.

@DarthSeduction great job on your models. The first three are the ones that feel slightly loli, but i had a friend like the black girl who looked much the same into her 30s. The rest of the models I feel look 20+ but I can see what you meant about the blonde depending on hair looking one way or the other. Maybe I'm just used to petites having that youthful facial look and am accustomed to it, but I gotta say most petite girls I know or have dated IRL are not the overly sweet, demure, shy girls in these corruption games, unless I just meet or bring out the angry, feisty, hotblooded ones that talk back, kick ass and chew bubblegum.

 

[Sam Urai]

Well, its something you can do when everything else fails. Ive seen a lot of people say that a girl thats clearly not a kid on the games around here is a loli just because of absense a single hair in their pussy. Im not asking for a full 80's forest, but a thin line of pubes does wonders on peoples's head.

i suppose people have never heard of a razor.... or shaving cream... most of my college girlfriends, 18-25 years old, and even a couple of the older ladies ive been with in my life; and all but one of them were already bare and smooth. the one that wasnt, soon shaved when i told her no cunnilingus until she did. :/ real life experience here. no pubes doesn't mean childish. smh.

 

[smnb]

I for one, don't want to be labelled as a pedo for being attracted to 18-20 year old petite women, or consuming porn that depicts such women yet MIGHT BE conceptually interpreted to be something different; by those who have an agenda. i mean, have you seen Dakota Skye or Krystal Boyd? holy fuck me YES PLEASE!

Welcome to 21st century. Judging things depending on how they might be interpreted by someone seems to be very "in" nowadays. Add the holy quest to "protect children" where anything under 18 is absolute taboo, don't forget that woman's real age can be anywhere between +-30% of how she looks, ... and it's clear that you're doomed. Because according to many people, attraction to petite 18-20 year olds can't be anything else than cover, while in reality, you definitely must be after their kids. I'm actually suprised that some of these real porn stars don't get censored, because some do look really young.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Welcome to 21st century. Judging things depending on how they might be interpreted by someone seems to be very "in" nowadays. Add the holy quest to "protect children" where anything under 18 is absolute taboo, don't forget that woman's real age can be anywhere between +-30% of how she looks, ... and it's clear that you're doomed. Because according to many people, attraction to petite 18-20 year olds can't be anything else than cover, while in reality, you definitely must be after their kids. I'm actually suprised that some of these real porn stars don't get censored, because some do look really young.

I just love it how people ignorantly claim this is a new phenomena. If you look through history, shaming and taboo have been used to shape public opinion and keep all things that are not considered "normal" hidden or even encourage their outright destruction. If you need more recent examples of this, take a look at homosexuality in the 80s and 90s, terms like "in the closet" "on the down low" and "beard" became necessary ways for people to hide what they were from normal people so that they could live their lives in peace.

A little further back, and you had the same kind of secrecy and hiding for anyone in an interracial relationship. If your neighbors knew you were dating a black girl, or god forbid if you were a black man, dating a white woman, things could go really bad for you really quickly. Drug culture in the US is another one, as the people in power realized that people doing drugs were starting to question their power so they cracked down on the drugs to put their political enemies in jail. You know, just normal stuff.

In certain times in history learning that you received or performed oral or anal sex would be enough to get you killed as a sodomite. Not worshiping the christian god, or performing cultural rituals that were of the pagan tradition could get you burned alive as a witch. So no, it's not "in" now in the 20th century. The only thing that anyone could say has changed is that more recently, the people getting judged by the rest of society are the people who used to do the judging.

 

[viewfinderlife]

I just love it how people ignorantly claim this is a new phenomena. If you look through history, shaming and taboo have been used to shape public opinion and keep all things that are not considered "normal" hidden or even encourage their outright destruction. If you need more recent examples of this, take a look at homosexuality in the 80s and 90s, terms like "in the closet" "on the down low" and "beard" became necessary ways for people to hide what they were from normal people so that they could live their lives in peace.

A little further back, and you had the same kind of secrecy and hiding for anyone in an interracial relationship. If your neighbors knew you were dating a black girl, or god forbid if you were a black man, dating a white woman, things could go really bad for you really quickly. Drug culture in the US is another one, as the people in power realized that people doing drugs were starting to question their power so they cracked down on the drugs to put their political enemies in jail. You know, just normal stuff.

In certain times in history learning that you received or performed oral or anal sex would be enough to get you killed as a sodomite. Not worshiping the christian god, or performing cultural rituals that were of the pagan tradition could get you burned alive as a witch. So no, it's not "in" now in the 20th century. The only thing that anyone could say has changed is that more recently, the people getting judged by the rest of society are the people who used to do the judging.

Did you ctrl+c off an old post you made or am I having hardcore deja vu?

 

[smnb]

I just love it how people ignorantly claim this is a new phenomena.

Ok, you're right, it's not new.

The only thing that anyone could say has changed is that more recently, the people getting judged by the rest of society are the people who used to do the judging.

Sounds fair... as long as "people" mean "individuals".