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LexPro

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Hello, I may not understand you, but please explain what exactly you see the difference between cheating and NTR. As far as I know, these are identical concepts, although I read that there are people who share these concepts. I would be interested in what you see as this division, where is the key quality that separates one from the other.
cheating is when his wife fucks behind his husb, via hacked chat can provide photos of how she doing it. NTR is when husband know thats she fucks other men because wife is sharing with him photos
 
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cheating is when his wife fucks behind his husb, via hacked chat can provide photos of how she doing it. NTR is when husband know thats she fucks other men because wife is sharing with him photos
You may be confusing something. When a wife shares photos, it's NTS. When a wife cheats on her husband this is NTR/ I thought you would draw a line between the fact that the husband knows that his wife is cheating on him or does not know. I am aware of this division within NTR. In my game, the husband will know that his wife is cheating on him. I can't do a phone-style story where he doesn't know it and the player knows it, since the player is completely behind Adam's phone.
 

Napalm12

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Hello, I may not understand you, but please explain what exactly you see the difference between cheating and NTR. As far as I know, these are identical concepts, although I read that there are people who share these concepts. I would be interested in what you see as this division, where is the key quality that separates one from the other.
At least to me, NTR and cheating are like toads and frogs; all NTR (toads) is cheating (frogs), but not all cheating (frogs) is NTR (toads).
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NTR is almost always started as sexual contact without the knowledge and permission of the other partner (MC); this is cheating, but if any of the aforementioned exceptions occur, it is not cheating. I would say the clearest example of when cheating is not NTR is when the cheater (typically female MC) is just a slut that wants to have sex with others (Girlfriend Tapes is a great example). There is also another blurred line, mystery NTR (my favorite).
Mystery NTR can even be found in this game currently
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Since the game is confined to a phone interface, mystery NTR is probably the best fit for a cheating path (the game E-thots is probably good reference material). Mystery NTR can even just be through text (the MC loses contact with the partner as they go into a situation where they might cheat). Mystery NTR is as much about the "mystery" as the "NTR."

EDIT: There are also situations that are considered netorare when following a definition along the lines of "A loved one gets stolen." A story where a crush or family member has sex with others is normally considered netorare under the aforementioned definition but cannot be cheating since there is no romantic or sexual relationship established with the MC. Netorare is mostly about the feelings (mostly pain and jealousy; excitement would be more netorase) from seeing someone you have emotional attachments to have sex with others.
 
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I tried your game and was pleasantly surprised by its length! I expected a "15-minute-like" demo, which is what first/second releases usually are, but played for several hours. And I was hooked by the dialogues and characters! And now I want more!
Keep up the great work!

You may be confusing something. When a wife shares photos, it's NTS. When a wife cheats on her husband this is NTR/
I would say netorare is about jealousy, netorase is about kink. Sure, both NTR and NTS may contain a jealousy element, but it's the matter of proportions. And cheating isn't equal netorare, like sharing isn't equal netorase.

At least to me, NTR and cheating are like toads and frogs; all NTR (toads) is cheating (frogs), but not all cheating (frogs) is NTR (toads).
Yes, exactly! Same with netorase, I believe.
 
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Oh, I've got a question!
How do you feel about "gentle/light femdom" and "soft humiliation" in your game as an optional kink in cuckold route in the future? And what about cumplay cuckold teasing? (Like of course there can't be any actual cumplay between MC and wife, but it could be verbal teasing about "creampie cleaning" and such.) Or is it not your thing?
 
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Napalm12

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But don't forget that there is also a term "netorase", which describes a lot of what you describe under the conditional "NTR".
"NTR" is sometimes used just as a short form for "Netorare," but it really encompasses all three branches of "NTR": "Netorare" (MC's partner cheats), "Netorase" (cuckolding or sharing), and "Netori" (MC has sex with other people that have partners).
 
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But don't forget that there is also a term "netorase", which describes a lot of what you describe under the conditional "NTR".
Pretty sure "netorase" is referred to as a "sub-category" of "netorare", but yeah, we have the term "netorase", to clearly differentiate between permission and no permission (NTR), so it's good to use it in contexts where the MC does give permission, so people know what they're getting. The parts about "netorare being about jealousy and netorase being about kink" is a bit rhubarb, because a lot of NTR/NTS media plays around a lot with the affected characters' initial anxieties and jealousies and potential fears of overstepping boundaries etc. Going back and forth between contrasting attitudes and reactions is usually what keeps me engaged at least. Highs seem higher when the lows are lower and so on.

There is also another blurred line, mystery NTR (my favorite).
Mystery NTR can even be found in this game currently
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Since the game is confined to a phone interface, mystery NTR is probably the best fit for a cheating path (the game E-thots is probably good reference material). Mystery NTR can even just be through text (the MC loses contact with the partner as they go into a situation where they might cheat). Mystery NTR is as much about the "mystery" as the "NTR."
Yeah, this is currently easily my favourite part of this game too. There is just something hot about the sneaking around for me (especially when it's due to Kira's meddling, especially when she's mad at you at the same time), I guess. I feel like I'm honestly getting a bit desensitized to how "straightforward" some of the NTS/NTR games are getting, because it's a very linear path from "I've been having these thoughts..." to "honey, I give you permission to fuck others" to then just...the wife fucking other people. In this, at least, neither of them have really agreed to anything and both are (or at least can be) hesitant; the wife seems to try to keep pushing this idea of "going back" to how adventurous she used to be, and it's all very...nebulous, with how neither of them have established any rules etc. Definitely a bit more exciting to me than a lot of the other phone games I've played, which mostly range from "too little conflict" to "just instantly jumping into cheating".
 
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You may be confusing something. When a wife shares photos, it's NTS. When a wife cheats on her husband this is NTR/ I thought you would draw a line between the fact that the husband knows that his wife is cheating on him or does not know. I am aware of this division within NTR. In my game, the husband will know that his wife is cheating on him. I can't do a phone-style story where he doesn't know it and the player knows it, since the player is completely behind Adam's phone.
No was meaning thats the wife hides from husb how she fuck other men but husb know about it through hacked phone, whene she shares photos with Kira or anyone else exepts husb.
 

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I absolutely can't stand Kira. I wish there was a way to just try and get Lisa to ditch her completely, although I get she's a driving part of the plot. If you try to go for love route and shut Kira down, she just immediately goes hostile and goes out of her way constantly to get Lisa to cheat or consider open relationships. Even if you talk to Lisa about Kira, she still ends up DMing her about the personal trainer dude and gets her to consider going behind MC's back like right after the conversation. She is a massive bitch and whenever there's even any discussion about her, let alone when she's speaking herself, it just makes me hate both her and Lisa. Kira is a massive bitch.
 

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I absolutely can't stand Kira. I wish there was a way to just try and get Lisa to ditch her completely, although I get she's a driving part of the plot. If you try to go for love route and shut Kira down, she just immediately goes hostile and goes out of her way constantly to get Lisa to cheat or consider open relationships. Even if you talk to Lisa about Kira, she still ends up DMing her about the personal trainer dude and gets her to consider going behind MC's back like right after the conversation. She is a massive bitch and whenever there's even any discussion about her, let alone when she's speaking herself, it just makes me hate both her and Lisa. Kira is a massive bitch.
Seems this is becoming a popular theme there is another phone ntr game. With a bitch friend only difference I believe the MMC is a solider overseas.
 

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"NTR" is sometimes used just as a short form for "Netorare," but it really encompasses all three branches of "NTR": "Netorare" (MC's partner cheats), "Netorase" (cuckolding or sharing), and "Netori" (MC has sex with other people that have partners).
I totally agree with you on this! But many "netorase gatekeepers" take it all too personally, and considering their netorase kink as something complete opposite of the netorare kink! Some of them even get offended when someone calls their content "cuckolding" too.

because a lot of NTR/NTS media plays around a lot with the affected characters' initial anxieties and jealousies and potential fears of overstepping boundaries etc.
Well, yes! Such emotional swings are often presented in netorase scenarios, I don't deny it, I even wrote "NTS may contain a jealousy element", meaning a whole complex of negative or uncertain emotions (like fear of losing love or control). I don't understand what you didn't like about my answer. But sure, yours is more meaningful.
 

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If you don't like MC Manipulator, this is probably not the game for you.
Yes, when writing dialogs, I partially use AI, but I correct and add individual pieces on my own. It would be stupid not to use such a convenient tool as AI for monotonous work in putting program code values, separating messages, and writing the messages themselves according to a given dialog plot. AI is the future.
I had suspected that, as it would explain the poor grammar and sometimes rather odd word choices that really took me out of it.

Whilst I enjoy the art, the writing really needs a human touch. AI may be the future, but right now AI isn't good at writing realistic dialogues.

If you play similar games, like NTR Phone or Netorase Phone, you can tell a person wrote the dialogue. It feels more real, and it's what is keeping this game from being on their level. AI is a tool, it can't replace human creativity, it can only augment it.
 
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Brother needs to go over the dialogue again and make it more readable. The conversations are anything but natural, especially when the FMC is talking about experiencing new things. She carries on about it regardless of what you say and makes it sound like she is going to do anything she wants either way.

The MC's internal monologue is also all over the place. You choose to say one things while his internal thoughts are saying something else. Sometimes you choose to say something - and he'll type something completely different. Or you';; choose something and the response is completely unrelated to what he said.

The dates and times are also completely confusing. Sometimes you are reading text, get a change of date, but continue the same conversation like its the same day? This really needs to be tidied up.

It also feels half the time like they weren't living with each other at the beginning of the game? It's super confusing.

The game could be good, but it needs a lot of work.
 
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PhD

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Hi, I can't figure out how to get the photo that Kira sends from the toilet stall?
And in the gallery there are some photos of sex. Some of them are sent by MC, but how to get the rest?
 
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Found a bug. It's possible to softlock yourself.
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I'll attach the save so you can look at it.


Hi, I can't figure out how to get the photo that Kira sends from the toilet stall?
And in the gallery there are some photos of sex. Some of them are sent by MC, but how to get the rest?

Focus on lust.
 
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Napalm12

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I chose all the answers with lust, but there were still no new photos. I can't set up a save, I play on Android
I believe that you have to reject Kira and then tell her to take Lisa home while at the bar; she will get mad at you and send the photo.
 
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