[POLL] Are lewd games, text and art the most moral way to consume pornography?

[morphnet]

You could've left yourself out by not giving support emojis to your debate buddy every time he replied, but you're obviously invested in this.

Giving likes to replies I agree with now equals taking part in a debate...good to know and I'm as invested in this as my alerts are.

Let's see what I wrote:



And I further brought evidence why X wasn't the case. On which you responded with:



So the moral claim was debunked by the premise X being evidenced wrong, but you kept on doubling down with just saying "no no".

So as you said you are like the child in a playground running around saying "Nah ah". So I guess nice projection there.

I won't be going in circles on this.

Again, living in different realities.... In what universe is your opinion considered evidence, proof or fact? YOU made the claim it doesn't take food out of the mouths of people, as in stated your opinion, you did not post ANYTHING to back up that claim other than "because you said so". That is not considered evidence anywhere... If you want to claim evidence post sources to back up YOUR claim, otherwise you are merely stating your opinion.

Also seeing as you ONCE AGAIN have trouble keeping track the context of those examples was other peoples views.
It wouldn't need to be an example if it was my view.....

No you don't, you're imagining what my moral standards might be and taking your imagination as a fact.

You claim I'm wrong, yet you failed to explain what morality you ARE using then to reach the conclusion that "eating unhealthy foods, consuming alcohol and other light drugs is more immoral that masturbating to animated porn? You also fail to explain how and where eating unhealthy foods is immoral??? and again "because you said so" is not a valid argument or evidence.

This is again, asinine, individuals have one moral compass, it doesn't matter whether that moral compass was influenced by different cultures it's still one.

Honestly, you have got to be very young, very naive or very stupid if you think that is the way the world works. Your replies seem to indicate that you live in a cartoon.

When a friend asks you: "would it be right to help Y", would you ask them "what moral system do you want me to apply so I can answer this?". Or would you answer on what your own moral compass tells you is right.

That is just a stupid example. In the first place it does NOT mirror this situation, you tailored it to get a reply you want. In the second place, just like your OP it's vague to the point of laughable and has no context.

If you wanted to use an example that actually mirrored this situation and actually had some context to it, then something along the lines of...
"If you are online with 10 people from around the world and one of them ask if you is hanging the most moral way of executing someone?" would you ask them "what moral system do you want me to apply so I can answer this?"

The answer then is yes I would because unless the person is trying to corner the others into giving them an answer they are looking for they need to add it as there are many different ones out there.

With there being so many different ones out there and NOT giving a base for it, the answers will be as I said before, yes, no, maybe. In which case you are no closer to an answer and there was no point for this thread in the first place.

They received the same item but a different product, product by definition is something you sell for a price, by definition the price is included in the product.

So then, promotional products (free), product giveaways (free), sample products(free) etc. and not really products ok then......
Life in cartoon world must be awesome....

And when products get cheaper they get better and they get praise for it, I mean you can watch all the GPUs reviews on prizing and you'd notice the same thing.

Sure...sure, I mean it goes hand in hand with that old saying "lowest bid, highest quality" man do I have egg of my face now

 

[anne O'nymous]

1. Law and morality rarely meet. In Iran it is perfectly legal to "force marry" unwilling girls, spend some nights with them and then "divorce". I can go on about Saudi Arabia, but I think you get the message.

I don't remember clearly, what is the country that tried to pass a law saying that if a woman is pregnant due to a rape, she have to marry her rapist ?
It's a clear example of twisted morality. To the eyes of the authorities, while rape isn't necessarily moral, the consequences (abortion, having a baby outside of marriage, or marrying someone who isn't the father of your baby) would be even more immoral.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Sure...sure, I mean it goes hand in hand with that old saying "lowest bid, highest quality" man do I have egg of my face now

He's a pure sophist, even using an argument that derive from one of the most frequent example used to define sophism: A cheap horse is rare, and what is rare is expensive. Therefore, a cheap horse is expensive.

And, of course, like sophists, he fail to see the irrationality behind his logic. Like he never go more than one step back, at no time did he put the conclusion in relation with the premise. What mean that he's totally unable to see that they are contradictory.

 

[morphnet]

He's a pure sophist, even using an argument that derive from one of the most frequent example used to define sophism: A cheap horse is rare, and what is rare is expensive. Therefore, a cheap horse is expensive.

And, of course, like sophists, he fail to see the irrationality behind his logic. Like he never go more than one step back, at no time did he put the conclusion in relation with the premise. What mean that he's totally unable to see that they are contradictory.

Very true and it's a pattern he seems very attached to. I'm also not sure that he is actually applying logic in any form, as logic moves from A to B to C and he seems to be going A to 7 to G to 9.

I think he also seems to not understand the difference between commodity, product and item, considering his arguments, which makes it really difficult to discuss things with him when he doesn't understand the meaning of words.

 

[anne O'nymous]

[...] he seems to be going A to 7 to G to 9.

I don't know if you did it voluntarily, but this perfectly describe the feeling I get when reading him over the time.

He pass from "A" to "7", and trying to understand how it's possible, I come to the conclusion that he sometime use the letter, sometime use its rank. Then he pass from "7" to "G", and they are two different things, while "7" is "G" rank... So, no, it's not sometime the letter, sometime the rank, the apparent logic behind his switching was just apparent, leaving me back to the feeling that there's just no logic behind his "logic" progression.

 

[morphnet]

I don't know if you did it voluntarily, but this perfectly describe the feeling I get when reading him over the time.

He pass from "A" to "7", and trying to understand how it's possible, I come to the conclusion that he sometime use the letter, sometime use its rank. Then he pass from "7" to "G", and they are two different things, while "7" is "G" rank... So, no, it's not sometime the letter, sometime the rank, the apparent logic behind his switching was just apparent, leaving me back to the feeling that there's just no logic behind his "logic" progression.

It seems we're in the same boat then. For me even after re-reading, it is hard to keep track of which one he is using and it seems I came to the same conclusion as you, the feeling that there is no logic behind his "logic" progression. It's a pity too because it could've been a good discussion.

 

[coffeeaddicted]

And the moral of the story is....

 

[Thin Bastard]

And the moral of the story is....

morphnet and anne O’nymous need to get a room.

 

[VirtualMantis]

I feel like this is a loaded question and I don't think porn is inherently immoral. But the stuff I'm into is pretty rough, and they're not kinks I personally want to see realised. I know consensual non consent is big but I don't play that heavy with anyone because there needs to be so much trust, kink awareness and safety consciousness involved. Hentai lets me explore taboo and honestly actually illegal things that just happen to turn me on.

I don't want to rape or be raped in real life. I like rough sex but rough sex in porn can be so violent sometimes that I worry if she is ok. I don't think people being into this is wrong or that pornstars are bad or whatever. But hentai just gives me that little peace of mind that none of it is in any way real, which is what I want when I just want to get off.

People moralise kink and fetishes a lot. I don't hate women because I like rape in hentai. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. But does it get my motor going? It does, and I don't have some weird sob story reason why. People like what they like and I'm ok with it as long as everyone involved is consenting. I don't like that big question mark over my head I get with porn where she looks drugged out her mind and he's ramming a likely dry vag like he's trying to start a fire lol