POLL: Controversial Fetishes: Queen of Spades vs Queen of Clovers (Possibly New)

[hakarlman]

What you described already exists, its the queen of hearts.

So I looked up Queen of Hearts / QOH / Bleached, and my god, you're right. It does exist and it's pretty huge. I found this link:

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. Basically it's all about white bulls.

Still, the heart symbol is pre-dominantly the symbol of love. The diamond is the symbol of marriage. That leaves spade or clover. Clover is more associated with the Irish, which IMO is more white in some way.

This is how I see it, what does everyone else think?

Heart = Love (IMO, it's hard to overshadow this with another ideal.)
Diamond = Marriage (Same as heart, I think of marriage when I think of diamonds)
Spade = Whatever .. Imo this can mean whatever, it doesn't have a widespread default meaning, not really, get my drift?
Clover = Whatever .. Same as spade. This is more Irish too in some small way. This would be a better fit for white bull IMO.

 

[hakarlman]

I think we really need to talk about your poll fetish. It kind of feels like a meme at this point.

It's uncharted territory for me, so I didn't know how to approach it. I'm open to suggestion. I also took note of your other post further down.

 

[Deleted member 111545]

Your MC is a white male who can grow into the ultimate Chad if you want. The idea is that you would defeat the males of an opposing tribe to the point where their women consensually, of their own free will, take the Queen of Clover symbol or tattoo, showing your dominance over them. You can even cuck their males, feminize them, humiliate them

brother this seems hot asfuck lets fkn gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
yes do it

 

[spookyhamster]

I don't think it works, a main trope and the reason race mixing porn is pushed so much is very simple: white traits are recessive. Meaning, even if you "bleach" some brown girl, you still threw your genetics down the toilet.

 

[zapzero]

You are overthinking it and limiting yourself by exaggerating the race angle.
Is white supremacy a kink?
Probably?

Is it smarter to just go domination for the wider audience and avoiding legal hell?
Might be.

Having so many polls just mean you lack the confidence in your own vision.
Anyway just make a good game, and people will cum.

 

[kiljaeden]

I don't think it works, a main trope and the reason race mixing porn is pushed so much is very simple: white traits are recessive. Meaning, even if you "bleach" some brown girl, you still threw your genetics down the toilet.

genes don't disappear like that. Mixed Americans having white looking children aren't that uncommon. Also if a 50/50 mixed person marries a white person, their children can pass as white. If these children marry other whites, their kids will look almost completely white. There is a famous portrait, where native American grandma looks pretty much native but her daughter and grandchild look white because they kept marrying to colonizers/immigrants. Husband of her daughter is also in the portrait and he is white. She also thanks god for making her family white because she is brainwashed into white supremacy. I can't remember the name of this portrait/drawing.

 

[thatguy49]

genes don't disappear like that. Mixed Americans having white looking children aren't that uncommon. Also if a 50/50 mixed person marries a white person, their children can pass as white. If these children marry other whites, their kids will look almost completely white. There is a famous portrait, where native American grandma looks pretty much native but her daughter and grandchild look white because they kept marrying to colonizers/immigrants. Husband of her daughter is also in the portrait and he is white. She also thanks god for making her family white because she is brainwashed into white supremacy. I can't remember the name of this portrait/drawing.

Are you thinking of the "Ham's Redemption" painting? If so, it's actually a Brazilian portrait of an older black woman with a mixed daughter, white passing grandchild, and white son-in law on the side. Though it depicts a similar message you were describing earlier.

 

[kiljaeden]

Are you thinking of the "Ham's Redemption" painting? If so, it's actually a Brazilian portrait of an older black woman with a mixed daughter, white passing grandchild, and white son-in law on the side. Though it depicts a similar message you were describing earlier.

That's the one yeah. I was misremembering some parts of it.

 

[Seewolf]

I even didn’t know this fetish existed in porn, but according to my personal experience in real life I very well witnessed that some, if not a lot of ethnic girls are more than willing to have sex with an attractive white guy and even more than that (relationship, having a family, children, the full program).

Usually the term interracial most often means black guy(s) and white woman in porn. It’s like 90 % of interracial porn. The reality is different of course, because many Asian, Latin and also Black women (next to the majority of white women as well) actually are attracted to handsome white men with a decent job, who can provide for a family (not the beer belly old fucks roaming South East Asia for cheap and unfortunately also most often underage Asian hookers).

The whole interracial category in porn got racist stereotypes and is mostly a sub-category of the humiliation fetish. It wouldn’t work at all, if white phenotypes wouldn’t be considered to be desirable. Since they are, a white woman fucking blacks is automatically humiliated, even more so, if she seemingly enjoys it. That’s the whole psychology behind this fetish, it’s about humiliation and degrading. It wouldn’t work otherwise. By the way white porn actresses doing interracial porn get payed extra. It's true.

White guy on ethnic girls doesn’t work like this, because it’s not about humiliation and degrading. Therefore it isn't common in porn, but in real life.

It’s porn after all. Nothing is realistic concerning porn, we all know that, but still consume it. All of the actors are in it for the money and that’s it. The sex displayed in porn isn’t realistic, because most of these positions on screen aren’t comfortable at all for the ones performing them and most people won’t be able to have an orgasm like this. Porn also works with fake sperm for cumshots and all the moaning and orgasms are usually fake! Just ask yourself, could you really enjoy it, if a full camera team surrounds you and a director gives your orders what and how to do now and when? “Cut! This performance was shit, do it again, like this or that…. Come on man, don’t slow down, what the fuck is this, do her properly and now lift her up and fuck her against the wall! WTF?! CUUUUT!! And now Again… And you girl, lift your legs, damn it and moan more loudly!” It’s work after all and actors get payed for it.

Anyway, while blacks on white or Asian women aren't seen as offensive in porn, despite all the absurd bullshit being said and made up in such flicks, why not also having it the other way around? Anyone finding the op's proposal offensive is a hypocrite, if he doesn't find absurd "black cock addiction" fantasies just as much offensive.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

That’s the whole psychology behind this fetish, it’s about humiliation and degrading. It wouldn’t work otherwise.

It can be, but there's another possible angle to it that has to do with male insecurities about individual parts (penis size), as well as the kind of stuff that white supremacists talk about ("whites" being "replaced", "bred out"), etc. Thus all the content about breeding, about going "black-only", about permanent tattoos. It's basically a way of coping with these kinds of insecurities. And most of the raceplay content I've seen of other races being dominated also has that kind of baggage, with "black" subs being called n-words, monkeys and slaves.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

I absolutely adore non-white women. But I also adore white women. I wouldn't mind at all playing a game where all the women of color are drawn to a white MC, but I would play for the characters and story. TBH I couldn't care less what a woman looks like as long as I can connect to her as a person: feel her pain, tear up from laughter at her humor, mentally fist pump with a "Yes!" at her triumphs. In short, I don't care about the fetish, but I'm not against it. I care about what stories can move me.

 

[dexter111]

Don't want to kinkshame but this is kinda cringe. But it shouldn't stop you.

 

[Fzeren]

It feels weird that you repeatedly brought up how it's consensual. I mean, I didn't fuck my neighbours dog, but if I just out of nowhere tell him that I didn't fuck his dog, it would be kinda weird right?

 

[OmegaZXA]

I'd be up for it, on the condition that it's not just black girls in the harem. Add in some white, Hispanic and Asian girls to the mix and then I'm good. Even ignoring the pitfalls of the racism attached to the fetish, I'm the kind of guy who likes variety in my harems.


And yeah, I get the Queen of Hearts/Spades is mostly a raceplay fetish. But since half of the time the accompanying dialogue is racist AF, I'd rather not do that.

 

[Sheik100]

Poll too confusing, I picked other. Ethnic girls are hot. Interracial is hot. Tribal girls are hot. I dont get why it needs to be more complicated than that.. just add in an optional tattoo or something if you want.

 

[Gizmogobum]

Never really found black women all that attractive, but you do you (now latinas, or polynesian on the other hand), however in the current political climate if you do set out to make something like that (white men dominate etc.) chances are you are pretty much will be a target of cancel culture lickety-split. All it takes is someone to report you you and patreon or whatever payment provider you use will fall over themselves to ban you.

 

[King_Yuki]

This is my thing: I always found raceplay and the whole "Queen of Spades/Clovers" thing to be cringe, personally. If you vibe with someone of a different race because there's something within their spirit that you're attractive to, that's cool. However, if you're getting with someone just because of their race, that's super corny and I think there's some self hatred going on with you: especially if you're Black/non-white.

I myself don't mind fooling around with non-Black women but if I'm going to be with someone for long term dating and marriage, I want my woman to be Black as a Black man myself. Nothing against non-Black women I just wanna be with someone who is a member of my race long term.

You do you however, it's your work.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

This is my thing: I always found raceplay and the whole "Queen of Spades/Clovers" thing to be cringe, personally. If you vibe with someone of a different race because there's something within their spirit that you're attractive to, that's cool. However, if you're getting with someone just because of their race, that's super corny and I think there's some self hatred going on with you: especially if you're Black/non-white.

I myself don't mind fooling around with non-Black women but if I'm going to be with someone for long term dating and marriage, I want my woman to be Black as a Black man myself. Nothing against non-Black women I just wanna be with someone who is a member of my race long term.

Wait, so is or isn't it "corny" to be attracted to a certain race? It's corny when other people do it but when you only want to be with black women it's not corny I guess?

 

[King_Yuki]

Wait, so is or isn't it "corny" to be attracted to a certain race? It's corny when other people do it but when you only want to be with black women it's not corny I guess?

Its corny to get with someone only for their race if you fetishizing them based on race.

 

[Fazed]

I gonna be upfront. I am not white. But I play all these games that feature a white male mc 99.9% of the time and it never crosses my mind, until someone makes it a point of focus, and then I say to myself...why is this necessary?
I also think that the BBC obsession fetish is cringe.

I'm not saying interracial is a turn off but its overplayed a lot of the time and when its less about the action and general attractiveness but instead what skin color they have(stereotypes etc) Its just...bleh. Some light references in dirty talk I find is ok but a tattoo mark fetish and the "racial superiority" thing is way past that line if you ask me.

Poll too confusing, I picked other. Ethnic girls are hot. Interracial is hot. Tribal girls are hot. I dont get why it needs to be more complicated than that.. just add in an optional tattoo or something if you want.

This ^^
Personal preferences do exist, I myself have a bit of yellow fever and I couldnt tell you why if you paid me. However that doesn't stop me from finding girls from all backgrounds attractive, If the girl is hot, she's hot and thats it.
I'd never mark myself even as a joke for something like that lol. (yes i know its for the girls but just saying)

And to flip it over, It would still be a turn off to play a game where the only reason girls wanted to talk to the mc is because he is black. Its just shallow and stupid imo. I don't care for it.