POLL: You love Harem & Incest (mom-son). Do you prefer the Mother starts as Loyal, Sweet and Innocent OR a Lewd, Cheating Slut?

[Lust0ne]

The target audience for this poll is people who love Harem and Incest(mom-son).

EDIT: Wow, poll is kind of one sided so far. I'm glad I made it.

The concept of this poll is how the mother will start out at the beginning of the game. I want to see if the results turn out 50/50 or completely one sided. The mother has a husband you can get rid of or keep around. You play as her son (MC). No matter what option you choose, seducing and fucking her won't be easy for .... reasons, so the challenge will still be there.

Here is more context for each answer:

(A) - Mom is loyal, sweet and innocent. She's a sweet and loving mother, loyal to her husband, but her son (MC that you play as) slowly corrupts and seduces her. She becomes sexually loyal only to her son, from which he adds her to his harem. This is probably the most common trope for an incest porn game, but it's tried and true. You can keep her as a good, loving innocent mom, or turn her into a complete and debaucherous slut; behaving lewdly and inappropriate for a mom. No matter what, she stays loyal only to you.

(B) - Mom is a lewd, cheating slut. Think (The Tyrant Game on F95zone). She's constantly cheating and maybe even cuckolding her husband. Then the son (MC that you play as) finds out and takes advantage, seducing and fucking her, possibly even cucking his dad, then adding her to his Harem. From here you can actually turn her into a good, innocent, sweet and loving mother OR encourage her to to continue being slutty and lewd, behaving inappropriately, even possibly turning her into a bigger slut, the worst kind of mother. She stays loyal only to you, since you satisfy all her needs.

(C) - Other, you'll leave your idea in the thread. Fresh ideas for the Mom and Son incest trope is more than welcome for a genre that's getting kind of stale.

(On a side note, thanks for putting up with my polls guys. If you think it's too much, let me know and I'll stop making them. I tried to join the F95zone discord, so I can get more feedback there, but it requires that I link accounts and have phone number verification with discord, and I'd rather not do that.)

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[Chalker]

Tbh in either situation, I'd feel bad for dad... so having him out of the picture is what I would go for.

 

[trex999999]

Like Duskwolf said a couple of posts up, I generally prefer the "innocent" mother, but it's plain to see that given that she is, after all, a mother - she's not exactly totally innocent.

A much more nuanced way is to have her rediscover being/feeling like a woman after many years of only paying attention to being a mother and no longer feeling like she has any sexual value or appeal. The MC can coax this sexual being out of her gradual corruption. It makes for a more compelling and entertaining story in my opinion.

As for the father of course its a trope when dad is dead/absent/missing but then how else do you set up a story where the MC isn't a psychopath for trying to seduce his mother and cuck his father? If that's what you are going for, fine... but otherwise you are going to have to employ another trope - make the father an irredeemable prick who abuses/abused your mother, is pretty much absent so much he might as well not even be there, or just a complete waste of space.

The question is why include the father at all unless you explicitly want your MC to be a psychopath who cucks his own father? Just say he's dead or left your mom a long time ago and never mention him again. It's always a waste to include them in stories, honestly.

 

[Deleted member 4978088]

other: dad does not exist in game for different reasons (divorce etc).
Mother is sweet, innocent, and loyal and slowly gets seduced and/or is a loyal dom mom than slowly seduces son

 

[hyfka]

I actually prefer dead dad/single mom.
I'm neither into getting cucked (Option B) nor particularly into cucking the dad. I don't care about the dad, but if he's alive I'd prefer the MC to have a good relationship with him (unless he is a cheating bastard or deserves it in some way)

 

[tyo26]

Mother is sweet, innocent, and loyal then seduces son

 

[dexter111]

1) neither A nor B are interesting, need more middle ground
2) can she go for son (or daughter, which's even better) herself?

 

[Duskwolf]

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As for the father of course its a trope when dad is dead/absent/missing but then how else do you set up a story where the MC isn't a psychopath for trying to seduce his mother and cuck his father? If that's what you are going for, fine... but otherwise you are going to have to employ another trope - make the father an irredeemable prick who abuses/abused your mother, is pretty much absent so much he might as well not even be there, or just a complete waste of space.

The question is why include the father at all unless you explicitly want your MC to be a psychopath who cucks his own father? Just say he's dead or left your mom a long time ago and never mention him again. It's always a waste to include them in stories, honestly.

I tend to agree that the inclusion of a father in these kind of stories tend to rely on the tropes you mentioned. That said, I've always thought that these tropes where short sighted. There is a way of including a father in these kinds of stories without explicitly humiliating him, making him an asshole, or making it a waste to include him.

One path to accomplish this is indifference. If marriage always was or has become a "marriage in-name-only", you can easily have a good and caring dad who doesn't mind when his wife starts fucking his son as it justifies him to seek out other partners. Similarly, if the dad is or has become asexual he could actually see it as a positive because his son is filling in where he can't, basically invalidating the cuckoldry perception by removing the power dynamic that is often seen in those stories.

Another option to include the father in a meaningful way would be a terminal illness. Basically, you would set up that he's working on behalf of his son. He's not looking to get cucked per se, but he's making sure his wife, and children are taken care of. This would essentially let the father fill the role of the "best friend" in these kinds of stories where he helps the MC but doesn't participate in the lewd activities without MC approval.

Ultimately, the role of a dad is useful because it can remove the pressure of realism in a story, because you can just have him help or guide the MC when needed either financially or with advice. A good father figure can also be a valuable source of information giving tips and tricks to seduce women or just guiding a narrative because he is an authority greater than the MC and can be used as a plot device. Furthermore, in a game he could literally be a game mechanic where you "go to dad for advice".

The point of all this is to illustrate that I don't think that "It's always a waste to include the father in these kinds of stories" it's just that people aren't tying to be creative to see how they could do it relying on tropes when there are more clever storytelling options.

 

[trex999999]

see it as a positive because his son is filling in where he can't, basically invalidating the cuckoldry perception by removing the power dynamic that is often seen in those stories.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. The stories of mother seduction are as old as ancient greece. They are far-fetched but also sort of rooted in everyone's psyche in some way, at least as an extreme taboo. The "dad/husband" who doesn't care about his wife cheating on him is just painfully awkward. Sure, this is a real life kink people engage in, but it sort of changes the whole tone/theme of the story in a way that I don't think most people are interested in.

Not to mention, there is a huge difference between "not caring if your wife sleeps around" to "wife is fucking your definitely super sure I promise 18+ yo son"

Like what, the father is going to pop his head into the room and say "Hey champ, have to run some errands today and I won't be back until the evening. If I come back home and your mom isn't walking funny, you're grounded *winks*" ?

The dynamic between a son and his father who knows that he's fucking his mother is just a ridiculous thing to write, and there's no way for it to come off as endearing or wholesome instead of creepy, predatory and depraved.

AT BEST including the father in this way lessens the tension, sensuality and taboo of the whole story. The reason to include the father in the first place is so that the mother feels both guilty and turned on about cheating. To add the tension of sneaking around the father, of "cucking him" and taking his place, etc. etc. All of the reasons you'd want to include the father are basically dead in the water the moment you reveal he's totally cool with his own son fucking his mother.

 

[hyfka]

Like what, the father is going to pop his head into the room and say "Hey champ, have to run some errands today and I won't be back until the evening. If I come back home and your mom isn't walking funny, you're grounded *winks*" ?

The porn movies by a site called "sexmex" often have a dad like this in them and I find it hilarious (not taking it seriously)

 

[trex999999]

The porn movies by a site called "sexmex" often have a dad like this in them and I find it hilarious (not taking it seriously)

I also think it's hilarious. I could definitely see that kind of character in a game here, but I stick by what I said earlier - it turns the taboo situation of getting lewd with your landlady and cucking your landlord into more of a parody. This isn't automatically a bad thing, but I just think it sucks the tension out of a VN that's centered on this taboo.

Plus the poster I was replying to was implying that the father could both be a "comedic relief cuck" and also a serious father figure and I just think that these undermine eachother to the point of making them ridiculous. A weirdo cuckold giving me advice about ladies isn't something I could take seriously like that poster implied. You could make it self-aware parody, but again I think you are going into territory that requires better and better writing, where I think most VNs would just be better served with not having a father involved at all.

It's not like single-motherhood or broken homes are even rare anymore... it's not like we have to really suspend any disbelief to believe that there isn't a man in the picture

 

[tazarstudio]

Somehow

While the innocent mom approach is often my preferred choice because of the loyalty aspect. I'm a fan of the "Woman Reborn" approach where the Mom has forgotten/repressed what it was like to be a sexual being, but a catalyst (often her son's influence/attention) awakens those feelings pushing her to change into her "true self". Basically, this is the blank slate approach where she starts off as nothing more than a boring mother but events and character actions reveal/shape her rebirth into her "true self".

This approach is useful because it's variable. The author can choose who they want the mom to be in a more dynamic way. Her "true self" is up to the creator or player's desire. She could have been either a sweet girl or a slut who became a boring sexless mom. Conversely, it could be that she was always boring and repressed until an event triggers a true sexual awakening. The key thing is the catalyst that awakens her. It could be the son, another sexually liberated mom, a harlequin romance novel or even her kinky husband looking to spice up their marriage. The possibilities are quite endless in that regard.

The point is that the catalyst triggers her journey down a path of change. Either becoming a new version of herself or reverting to who she used to be before motherhood. An advantage to this method is it also prevents an author from getting stuck with characterization problems because the "rebirth" can be a justifiably chaotic and even contradictory depending on the mother's innate desire to embrace or resist the change and what is triggering the change in the first place. She can be hot or cold depending on how strong the catalyst is and if the catalyst is required to be present or not to facilitate the change. It's variable storytelling without being pigeonholed into either option A) or B) while allowing one or both to be true should the author desire it.

Somehow I always comeback to this idea when writing story

 

[Bombmaster]

C
Slut and crazy about the attraction for her son. Thinking her love is natural and slowly turns into sexual lust. (Being totally crazy)

Very forward in regards intimacy for MC, secretly having a deep desire for consuming a child with him.

Still she could still fuck dad tho and we roleplay later about how a cuck he is.
Winning would making her preggo and father raising MC kid.

 

[FAEN1134]

B is the most realistic anyone who select A is delusional lmao

 

[woody554]

As for the father of course its a trope when dad is dead/absent/missing but then how else do you set up a story where the MC isn't a psychopath for trying to seduce his mother and cuck his father?

well that's easy, just make mc fall in love. pure love. it's like the most basic romcom way of treating a love story, falling for someone you shouldn't like your best friend's girlfriend. you can then write the dad/best friend character as nice as you like and it only increases tension. but in the end after many near misses and bad timings neither gf/mom of you can deny the True Love.

 

[khumak]

I prefer the mother be the stereotypical loyal housewife type who catches dad cheating and kicks him out. That gives a reason for dad to be out of the picture without him having to be dead and also gives a reason for mom to be sexually frustrated. Not a fan of the slutty mom scenario or the pathetic loser dad who gets cucked by his son scenario.

Personally, I also think that if you're going to put incest in the game then it makes sense to also have a sister who is fair game. Doesn't really matter if she's older or younger. I think most devs usually make an older sister kind of dominant and a younger sister more submissive but it doesn't have to be that way.

 

[Bombmaster]

I do love mother and sisters equally. Just it feels so filthy having a Mom relationship.
Is all kinds of wrong. The sister however could be more vanilla and wholesome.

 

[Uthuriel]

I do love mother and sisters equally. Just it feels so filthy having a Mom relationship.
Is all kinds of wrong. The sister however could be more vanilla and wholesome.

Both can be very romantic and wholesome.
Sweet Affection and MNF are prime examples.



Look here.

 

[Bombmaster]

Both can be very romantic and wholesome.
Sweet Affection and MNF are prime examples.



Look here.

Don't mind if I do.

 

[Pervtron3000]

I like a buildup from self-repression, then being introduced and exposed to their sexual true nature, which gradually begins to shift parts of her sexuality from repression to suppression. Once a part of her sexuality is revealed to herself, the circumstances provide her with discrete ways of exploring that sexuality. While exploring a suppressed sexual desire/fantasy, she is introduced/exposed to more things that shift her repressed sexual desires/fantasies, to being suppressed. And this repeats and escalates like peeling an onion.
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To answer your question about starting out a cheating-lewd-slut, or loyal-austere-wife: both, sort of.

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I really like sequels/prequels to stories where the women go from sexually-repressed to sexually-indulgent.
One story is the build-up, and the other story begins after the transformations have already taken place.
I say that you should do whichever one you feel more inspired to do, and don't feel like you have to do the buildup first or at all.
If you want to write a story where the women are already sexually indulgent, then do that. Otherwise you will sort of be following the same arc that has already been told a million times.
The reason to do whichever you are more inspired to do first is because whichever you choose to do later will end up being more inspired than it would have otherwise been.
Also if the ambitious undertaking of making a creative work just annihilates you to the point where you never get around to a followup story, then you will be much happier having told the story that you were more inspired to tell in the first place, instead of exhausting yourself on a creative work that you thought you had to do first.