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GNVE

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wasn't expecting a discussion tbh. Just made an observation that can take me out of the story sometimes. (The coolness often is reflected in the text as well.) But yeah I understand it takes more work to have people interact and I wasn't talking about the sprite based games only about the fully rendered into the background ones.
Though I don't think you have to show the actual hug/fistbump or whatever and definitely not all the time. you could make a pose of people going into a hug but not yet touching. that might save a lot of time if you wanted to do it.

(something like this but not done in less than two minutes a piece)
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wasn't expecting a discussion tbh. Just made an observation that can take me out of the story sometimes. (The coolness often is reflected in the text as well.) But yeah I understand it takes more work to have people interact and I wasn't talking about the sprite based games only about the fully rendered into the background ones.
Though I don't think you have to show the actual hug/fistbump or whatever and definitely not all the time. you could make a pose of people going into a hug but not yet touching. that might save a lot of time if you wanted to do it.

(something like this but not done in less than two minutes a piece)
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Yeah discussion wasn't so much what I was going for, mainly since we try to be silly in this thread I was just giving a long winded explanation about how you might justify this 'behaviour' using the 'health safety' excuse...

You are 100% correct though to point out that doing 'about to embrace, etc.' renders is a fast workaround to the embedding problem. My problem is that once two love interests are that close to each other, if they aren't going for the boob or ass grab, or sticking their tongues down each other's throats or immediately aren't blowing/fucking each other, what's the point?
:ROFLMAO:

More 3D VN creators should take note of what you just suggested, though!

I still want to see more sexy grabbing though! Even if that ends in Game Over most of the time...

Whistles while wandering off into the distance...
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This 'characters touching each other' discussion does make me think of another trope, not sure if it's been covered yet, but just want to put this down for now. I'll scan the thread later and if nothing pops up, I'll find some artwork...'


THE MOM DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HER SON THINKS SHE'S SEXY AND TOTALLY FUCKABLE
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So Mom can't figure out why her son is suddenly perving on her so intensely. I mean, her ponderous huge boobs sag a little bit more these days, and she's put on more than a few pounds in the glutes area. Somehow she still maintains that tiny waistline though. She's sure that she must look hideous to most males and a number of females, but they keep hitting on her nonetheless.

And did her son just cop a feel? I mean, sure that's wrong, but it's nice to feel wanted in that way, right?

She's not going to just jump into bed with anyone, though. Sure, all she has to do is ask, but she wants to feel loved as well as wanted... and she already loves her son soooo much.

Wait, did her Son just try to finger her?

THAT'S GAME OVER, SON! I'm throwing you out of the house right now! Well, wait a minute... Maybe, maybe not...

Edit: This pic looks about as good as any...

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I have a blind guess regarding the thing about hugging in VNs, and it's that aside from the previously mentioned technical difficulties, it's that western VNs are still heavily influenced by the formatting of Japanese games. And as far as I know, mainstream Japanese culture still just isn't as touchy-feely as some, say, American ones, and has different social cues regarding physical contact. Not only that, but it was likely even more reserved (by our standards) back when the big, influential Japanese VNs were made. Hence the wave instead of a hug to greet your beloved childhood friend, because that's way more familiar and less awkward than bowing at them. Honestly though, I'm just spitballing haha
 
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Are you sitting for dinner with your (all women) family? Have them all stare at the camera like a bunch of fascinated emus...
It's gotta be a majority of developers that frame conversations as 95% first person with 5% cuts to MC face right? Probably just to reduce posing workload and render time I assume. I definitely don't recall seeing much traditional movie-style conversations swapping between MC+Subject, just MC, just subject from AVNs, maybe due to the authors believing people would rather self-insert as well.
 

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Androids (as in automaton pocessing human features) have non functional / purely estetic belly buttons...

Surely that would be the ideal place to have an interface port?
 

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Androids (as in automaton pocessing human features) have non functional / purely estetic belly buttons...

Surely that would be the ideal place to have an interface port?
Its a USB port for user access, always keep your robo-waifu fully powered and with her drivers up to date :LUL:
 

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From a game loop perspective - redundancy.

- Like when MC wants to get out of bed there is only "get up" button in the middle of the screen, or when he brushes his teeth and you need to press single "brush your teeth", or when your phone calls so you need to "pick up a phone" mandatory. Like, wtf? Just why player need to do all those stuff if it's inevitable? You don't get a choice, so why not simply skip this bs or at least take player through this without flexing with this choices without a choice.

- Or sometimes you need to go to college\school\work etc. So you must click through 5 empty stages in a house until you reach front door, go out to the empty map, select school and click through more empty stages from entrance to your class.
Why is that a thing? What's wrong with just one "go to X place" button? Are you afraid that this will brake immersion? Well, don't worry, your world is completely EMPTY anyways. There is nothing there to look at or interact with yet. And in huge percent of cases this games are either remain empty or become abandoned anyways, no matter how passionate and ambitious Dev was towards his game in the beginning. Like, man, size up what you realistically can or can't do and adjust your game mechanics to that. Nothing wrong with keeping things simple if they still work good.

And from narrative side i would say i really tired of unavoidable LI.

Like if it's kinetic novel it's understandable, i don't "play" them so i speak about real games. Imo when a game is leaning more towards sandbox or at least have decent amount of choices this shouldn't happen. Starting game locked up with wife or girlfriend is already poor choice but this is even worse.
For the most part you can choose girls that you like and cut off those who aren't your type. But there is always THAT girl. Maybe she is Dev's favorite or maybe very generous backer wanted more of her but no matter what you do and how you speak to her she will always call you, hang around and waste your time, in worst cases she will even suck you off or make you bang her without giving you an option to tell her to fuck off. Idk about you but for some reason 9\10 times it will be my least favorite of the pull. I hate when this bs happens.
 

GNVE

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From a game loop perspective - redundancy.

- Like when MC wants to get out of bed there is only "get up" button in the middle of the screen, or when he brushes his teeth and you need to press single "brush your teeth", or when your phone calls so you need to "pick up a phone" mandatory. Like, wtf? Just why player need to do all those stuff if it's inevitable? You don't get a choice, so why not simply skip this bs or at least take player through this without flexing with this choices without a choice.
I think a lot of this has to do with overly ambitious game devs. They want to add another option there! really... at some point... eventually... There is a lot of pressure to continue the story so the alt path kinda falls by the wayside. There are only so many hours in a week you can work on the game. You have to prioritize. And I think a lot of devs really want to do something there but just never find the time until it is forgotten.

- Or sometimes you need to go to college\school\work etc. So you must click through 5 empty stages in a house until you reach front door, go out to the empty map, select school and click through more empty stages from entrance to your class.
Why is that a thing? What's wrong with just one "go to X place" button? Are you afraid that this will brake immersion? Well, don't worry, your world is completely EMPTY anyways. There is nothing there to look at or interact with yet. And in huge percent of cases this games are either remain empty or become abandoned anyways, no matter how passionate and ambitious Dev was towards his game in the beginning. Like, man, size up what you realistically can or can't do and adjust your game mechanics to that. Nothing wrong with keeping things simple if they still work good.
Yes, the blight that is sandbox. I have said so many times a lot of games would be better if they didn't have a sandbox. It usually ends up that the player has to content hunt. visit each site until something happens. Worse even when the dev adds some moon logic to all this like see scene x three times before story continues for some reason.
I get why devs want to make a sandbox but a sandbox requires a lot of content. They often forget they are not a 500+ strong team that can actually fill a sandbox environment.

And from narrative side i would say i really tired of unavoidable LI.

Like if it's kinetic novel it's understandable, i don't "play" them so i speak about real games. Imo when a game is leaning more towards sandbox or at least have decent amount of choices this shouldn't happen. Starting game locked up with wife or girlfriend is already poor choice but this is even worse.
For the most part you can choose girls that you like and cut off those who aren't your type. But there is always THAT girl. Maybe she is Dev's favorite or maybe very generous backer wanted more of her but no matter what you do and how you speak to her she will always call you, hang around and waste your time, in worst cases she will even suck you off or make you bang her without giving you an option to tell her to fuck off. Idk about you but for some reason 9\10 times it will be my least favorite of the pull. I hate when this bs happens.
Well in a true dating sim I get where you are coming. Like in a high school sim it is a little weird you have to focus on girl X over Y just because. But in a lot of more story focussed games it makes more sense. In a long lost sibling game you'd probably be a bit miffed if the long lost sibling got the same amount of screentime as all the other potentially datable characters. It also has to do with time you'd naturally spend with a character. It is normal that 'girl from coffeeshop' gets les screentime than roommate (or 'roommate')
 
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Crawling Badass, Hidden Doormat
The female MC is an action heroine who's pretty badass and it looks like she's got a pretty good shot at completing her quest or mission. What could go wrong? Well the inevitable, whether it's done by a boss, a minion or some weak rando retard, one harassment episode eventually reveals her latent submissiveness. Once she's been down it turns out she must like crawling on the floor, because it usually goes one way from there until she's a complete doormat who by Pavlov reaction submits to, like, randos on the street (maybe even including women if it isn't a Japanese game), snotty boys under 14, stray pets, and probably to the bed bugs in her bedroom though games usually don't show that last part. The story by that point can typically end in two alternatives, failing her mission and becoming a doormat to everyone or passing her mission and becoming a doormat to everyone all the same. Ah, there's nothing like a high-stake story. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And crawling is over 75% progress to lying flat on the floor anyway.

Sorority of Horror
In real life sororities can be pretty wild places, with plenty of getting drunk, partying, casual sex, and in some countries they have an increased risk of rape. And can you believe that in some places they even provide housing or study facilities? In adult games sororities are about one thing, prostitution in the barely legal category. So they have to keep the student-to-skeezer pipeline running smoothly and hold to their position as the biggest brothel in town. Really ambitious ones may even try to get a big share, maybe even all female students on their pimping roster. No wonder why uni administrators in adult games always have legal problems.

Hands-on Parenting
Many parents in the real world find sexual education of their children an awkward subject and are happy to leave it to other people. But in a certain type of incest game, they often take the matter in their own hands.

If it's the mother "educating" her son, it's an FMC slice-of-live game or an MMC playing-the-field game or harem game. It often starts with the realisation that her son, who's been through puberty for years usually, has erections. Yes these mothers are nothing if not perceptive and quick on the uptake. Often she wonders if it's painful or he says it's painful and the idea she should get her hands dirty is suggested and, because she's a complete moron, she falls for it. This starts her reluctant progression from mother to handmaiden to, if it's an incest harem game, harem member. Maybe even best girl if she's really lucky. Gotta respect her playing the long game like a pro though, priming the pump to get pumped by her son in his prime. :WeSmart: Though priming the pump often means his seed will flow into other places too. Did anyone ever bother to warn her about the NTR risk? :unsure: In rare cases it may be about a futa daughter, who's then often the MC, but overall the scenario's then still pretty similar to a mother giving her son a hand.

But if the father "educates" a daughter, you can bet he's usually the MC, and much less reluctant, though maybe he's somewhat aware that it's socially inappropriate, and a pretty eager pervert. If he's aware of the inappropriateness he may sell it off as just helping out one time, if not it's usually a plan to conquer her. The daughter, taking after her mother as a complete moron, often is totally clueless about masturbation. The first lesson triggers a powerful mental age regression in the daughter, who becomes needier and relies more and more on daddy. Soon he decides she's ready for the next step, or he's quickly convinced to show her what's next. By then daddy takes up her entire mental world, and she bends the knee and opens her legs for daddy's parental guidance.
 
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Dragon59

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Crawling Badass, Hidden Doormat
The female MC is an action heroine who's pretty badass and it looks like she's got a pretty good shot at completing her quest or mission. What could go wrong? Well the inevitable, whether it's done by a boss, a minion or some weak rando retard, one harassment episode eventually reveals her latent submissiveness. Once she's been down she must like crawling on the floor, because it usually goes one way from there until she's a completely doormat who by Pavlov reaction submits to like randos on the street (maybe even including women if it isn't a Japanese game), snotty boys under 14, stray pets, and probably to the bed bugs in her bedroom though games usually don't show that last part. The story by that point can typically end in two alternatives, failing her mission and becoming a doormat to everyone or passing her mission and becoming a doormat to everyone all the same. Ah, there's nothing like a high-stake story.
Hmm... that sounds like the classic Ayn Rand heroine. Tough as nails until a dominant, more successful man enters her life than it's all about him.
Kinda funny that OhWee posted that because me next one is:

Mind Control Isn't Rape:
Now a normie might just think that there is something morally wrong in taking advantage of someone clearly not in their right mind. Morals are for lesser people.
Another Ayn Rand principle! You're on a roll!
 
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isn´t F partenophile, bc D is a female?
I was unaware that Magnus Hirschfeld made a distinction between homosexual attraction (ephebophilia) and heterosexual attraction (parthenophibia) to post pubescent teens (which includes 18 and 19, perfectly legal internationally). I thought ephebophilia applied to both.
 

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the greek word parthénos means virgin, that´s true. Don´t ask me why the academics used this to describe sexual normal behaviour, maybe all the other greek terms were already in use.
And no, sexual appeal to late adolescent or almost post puberty girlsor boys(if your gay) isn´t abnormal. The laws of sexual consent may vary from nation to nation, but having sex w/ 18yr girl/boy is within the law of sexual consent.
Parthenophile does make more sense when applied to those who have a virginity/hymen breaking fetish. There are plenty of them on these forums.

Regarding age of consent, I remember that there was a big bruhaha when it was pointed out that the age of consent in the UK for same sex behavior was 18, but for heterosexual behavior, was 16.
 
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I remember that there was a big bruhaha when it was pointed out that the age of consent in the UK for same sex behavior was 18, but for heterosexual behavior, was 16.
The UKs laws are a steaming mess, and 18 for homosexuals (males) is the lowered number, as in the 1980s it was still 21 as an age of consent specifically for anal sex.

Let me give an idea of what a steaming crazy mess it is. It is legal to have heterosexual intercourse at 16. However, it is illegal to take or view photographs of your sexual partner if they under 18. (You can fuck 'em, but not look). They brought homosexual sex into line with the most common 18 years part. There are separate laws for 'carnal knowledge' that include foreplay and these were the only laws that applied to lesbian sex in the 80s...

Oh, and statutory rape (where one partner is deemed unable to give consent, even if they do consent) isn't just for underage and direct incest. In UK law, anyone who has been in a position (including temporarily) of Guardian or , is basically treated the same as incest, so this can include carers, doctors, teachers, babysitters, etc, etc.
 
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The UKs laws are a steaming mess, and 18 for homosexuals (males) is the lowered number, as in the 1980s it was still 21 as an age of consent specifically for anal sex.

Let me give an idea of what a steaming crazy mess it is. It is legal to have heterosexual intercourse at 16. However, it is illegal to take or view photographs of your sexual partner if they under 18. (You can fuck 'em, but not look). They brought homosexual sex into line with the most common 18 years part. There are separate laws for 'carnal knowledge' that include foreplay and these were the only laws that applied to lesbian sex in the 80s...

Oh, and statutory rape (where one partner is deemed unable to give consent, even if they do consent) isn't just for underage and direct incest. In UK law, anyone who has been in a position (including temporarily) of Guardian or , is basically treated the same as incest, so this can include carers, doctors, teachers, babysitters, etc, etc.
Thanks. I'd forgotten that it was 21, not 16. I think my brain couldn't hold onto that particular double-standard.

I understand that in Scandinavian countries, it is generally legal for minors to have possession of pictures of themselves and their partners, as long as they are not published. All very confusing for some since for many years, 16 and 17 were legal (back when Club Seventeen was literal--they are now trying to distance themselves from their historical focus by calling themselves Club Sweethearts). I think a lot of Color Climax videos had to be purged as well. All stuff that was perfectly legal when they were made, before the US pressured other countries to adopt their age limits for international commerce.

It makes sense that someone abusing a position of power over another should be held accountable. I assume the first category was caregivers (what we call the profession on our side of the pond).
 
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