Presenting Some Ideas On An Incest Storyline For A Game

[Wanderan]

Hey everyone. I've been here for a while and I've played my share of incest games. I think all of them with the exception of Big Brother, Dating My Daughter and Dreams Of Desire fall prey to the same problem:

Terrible storylines.

Now, this isn't to say that there aren't good incest games out there. Incest Story 1-2, Milf's Control, The Artifact are all pretty good but I guess I've sort of longed for a really good incest storyline, one that isn't NTR but isn't a super slow burn.

I've thought long and hard about this, not to mention helping out a friend here on f95 with his upcoming incest game (I'm looking at you GaussianFracture ) and I guess I just wanted to share my ideas.

I'm no programmer and you can forget the animation department...but writing is something I've always loved to do. I've been doing it since I was a child and I'm really interested in writing nice and believable stories.

Before I get into the ideas I had, I wanted to point out a few things I think should be noted about incest games.

1) There should always be a level of suspension of reality.

Let's face it. Most incest storylines require a certain level of this because it's really hard to justify family members getting intimate like that. It's considered taboo in most places, which makes it difficult from the get go. It's for that reason that I think I'm forgiving towards most incest games out there; it's really hard to do a good story without some kind of tragic backstory (like having your Erics or having super abusive family members that inflict trauma, which then creates the associated complexes). It's for that reason, that I think it's fine to have that as a common theme.

2) Not every game has to be depicted of the family members being nymphos.

It's alright for games like Incest Story which are focused solely on the sex rather than really throwing a bone to the story, but I think games like Dreams Of Desire or Dating My Daughter do a really good job of showcasing genuine feelings rather than overwhelming lust. Not every family member involved in the story needs to have a dick inside of her or needs to be balls deep in a woman all the time. It's fine to have romantic tension. This is probably why I loved the Sister Ending in Milf's Control. Because the feelings became genuine and it was the ending where the main character wasn't a selfish prick and instead, did it for the good of his sister and their relationship. Instead of a harem, he chose her. And that's a nice ending in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm ranting at this point. I'll throw my idea up in a little while, but what are you guys' thoughts?

 

[grev]

Hey everyone. I've been here for a while and I've played my share of incest games. I think all of them with the exception of Big Brother, Dating My Daughter and Dreams Of Desire fall prey to the same problem:

Terrible storylines.

Now, this isn't to say that there aren't good incest games out there. Incest Story 1-2, Milf's Control, The Artifact are all pretty good but I guess I've sort of longed for a really good incest storyline, one that isn't NTR but isn't a super slow burn.

I've thought long and hard about this, not to mention helping out a friend here on f95 with his upcoming incest game (I'm looking at you GaussianFracture ) and I guess I just wanted to share my ideas.

I'm no programmer and you can forget the animation department...but writing is something I've always loved to do. I've been doing it since I was a child and I'm really interested in writing nice and believable stories.

Before I get into the ideas I had, I wanted to point out a few things I think should be noted about incest games.

1) There should always be a level of suspension of reality.

Let's face it. Most incest storylines require a certain level of this because it's really hard to justify family members getting intimate like that. It's considered taboo in most places, which makes it difficult from the get go. It's for that reason that I think I'm forgiving towards most incest games out there; it's really hard to do a good story without some kind of tragic backstory (like having your Erics or having super abusive family members that inflict trauma, which then creates the associated complexes). It's for that reason, that I think it's fine to have that as a common theme.

2) Not every game has to be depicted of the family members being nymphos.

It's alright for games like Incest Story which are focused solely on the sex rather than really throwing a bone to the story, but I think games like Dreams Of Desire or Dating My Daughter do a really good job of showcasing genuine feelings rather than overwhelming lust. Not every family member involved in the story needs to have a dick inside of her or needs to be balls deep in a woman all the time. It's fine to have romantic tension. This is probably why I loved the Sister Ending in Milf's Control. Because the feelings became genuine and it was the ending where the main character wasn't a selfish prick and instead, did it for the good of his sister and their relationship. Instead of a harem, he chose her. And that's a nice ending in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm ranting at this point. I'll throw my idea up in a little while, but what are you guys' thoughts?

1- there doesn't need to be a suspension of reality, if the reality of the story world is written well. many things are sexually taboo that don't involve other family members. lets take animal breeding into consideration for a second. pure breeders will mate relatives to maintain perfect genetic traits.. so a story where humans are no longer the dominant species on the planet and some of this new dominant species has taken to human breeding would make incestuous a common place reality.

2- definitley agree with this basic point. and is why i am making my own game

 

[Wanderan]

1- there doesn't need to be a suspension of reality, if the reality of the story world is written well. many things are sexually taboo that don't involve other family members. lets take animal breeding into consideration for a second. pure breeders will mate relatives to maintain perfect genetic traits.. so a story where humans are no longer the dominant species on the planet and some of this new dominant species has taken to human breeding would make incestuous a common place reality.

2- definitley agree with this basic point. and is why i am making my own game

1) Don't get me wrong. What I mean about suspension of reality is to strike a good balance between NTR and slow burn. Unless you plan on doing a really long game or a very detailed game with loads of mechanics, a bit of suspension of reality will help negate the need for a somewhat excessive story I feel. A nice story doesn't have to be extensive and it's kind of hard to pull it off without at least a little bit of it you know?

2) Your own game? :O I'd be interested in seeing how it develops

 

[grev]

1) Don't get me wrong. What I mean about suspension of reality is to strike a good balance between NTR and slow burn. Unless you plan on doing a really long game or a very detailed game with loads of mechanics, a bit of suspension of reality will help negate the need for a somewhat excessive story I feel. A nice story doesn't have to be extensive and it's kind of hard to pull it off without at least a little bit of it you know?

2) Your own game? :O I'd be interested in seeing how it develops

1) i think its hard to make a nice story without being detailed. if you lack the detail you lack the believability. if you use some plot device to suspend reality without providing the detail for it then it will just end up being a crutch

2) i started a thread (link in sig) to brainstorm some ideas and discuss mechanics if you want to take a look

 

[david123]

If you are interested in text based games Im making one over at :

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. The game will be short but Im planning on making it as real as possible - no corruption or other bullshit like that.

 

[grev]

If you are interested in text based games Im making one over at :

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. The game will be short but Im planning on making it as real as possible - no corruption or other bullshit like that.

corruption is not unreal as a concept. otherwise corrupt politicians wouldnt be a thing.. the method of corruption is what makes it real or fantasy. someone with corrupted morals due to experiences compounding on one another is no less realistic than a perfectly moral person

 

[david123]

corruption is not unreal as a concept. otherwise corrupt politicians wouldnt be a thing.. the method of corruption is what makes it real or fantasy. someone with corrupted morals due to experiences compounding on one another is no less realistic than a perfectly moral person

Thats obvious. Im talking about games like Milf's Control, Corruption, Incest Story and other games of similar genre that uses magical powers to corrupt people. I thought it was obvious what I was talking about.
These games and many others like them use corruption as an excuse for terrible story telling skills - and I know many people got a fetish for corruption - but still corruption should not be used as an alternative for a good story.

 

[grev]

well corruption was the only thing that you mentioned rather than saying magical powers. also calling it bullshit might be a bit harsh. even if you dont like it a tool is just a tool and can be a good tool if written well.

 

[david123]

well corruption was the only thing that you mentioned rather than saying magical powers. also calling it bullshit might be a bit harsh. even if you dont like it a tool is just a tool and can be a good tool if written well.

Like I said - corruption is fine if there is a good story behind it. Take "The Fall of Irene" for example that game got extremely good story writing plus corruption is a choice. The problem is that most games with corruption are terribly written and uses the theme as an easy ticket out.

 

[OhWee]

I guess I don't think it needs to be the corruption angle is all. After all, we have fathers and daughters that marry as adults in real life (it's legal in New Jersey USA and a few other places in the world as long as both are consenting adults). Sure it's rare, but it does happen.

How the dad and daughter reach that point is the question (and in a similar vein, other family pairings). I've seen a lot of games lately take 'shortcuts' to get the banging on (drugs, spells, etc.). Or they go the other route and see if they can drag it out over 42 episodes...

There's another thread in General here somewhere that talks about this, but one of the 'themes' that was discussed was situations where (in real life) father and daughter are separated early on in her childhood, but meet again when she is approaching adulthood. They develop a friendship, which eventually blossoms into love. Because she hasn't 'seen' him as her father all her life, it's easier for her to admire his good qualities, for example.

DMD of course is one game that follows this premise, but of course it may be 42 episodes or more to see the conclusion of that story...


My point is that I think you are on the right track with your musings, it'll come down to a suitably plausable story.

 

[Benn Swagger]

Any Incest games using Mind-Control / Magic-Aura-Corruption ... are far far away more the "reality". And praise it as good Incest story games is just absurd. It's basically rape incest but willing to be fucked.

If you think you can create reality incest story, I dare you to make one, min. 10 pages of it per couple Mom-Son or Father-Daughter or Brother-Sister. Also don't use nympho and slutty stereotypes.

 

[nyalest]

I guess I don't think it needs to be the corruption angle is all. After all, we have fathers and daughters that marry as adults in real life (it's legal in New Jersey USA and a few other places in the world as long as both are consenting adults). Sure it's rare, but it does happen.

How the dad and daughter reach that point is the question (and in a similar vein, other family pairings). I've seen a lot of games lately take 'shortcuts' to get the banging on (drugs, spells, etc.). Or they go the other route and see if they can drag it out over 42 episodes...

There's another thread in General here somewhere that talks about this, but one of the 'themes' that was discussed was situations where (in real life) father and daughter are separated early on in her childhood, but meet again when she is approaching adulthood. They develop a friendship, which eventually blossoms into love. Because she hasn't 'seen' him as her father all her life, it's easier for her to admire his good qualities, for example.

DMD of course is one game that follows this premise, but of course it may be 42 episodes or more to see the conclusion of that story...


My point is that I think you are on the right track with your musings, it'll come down to a suitably plausable story.

I mean DmD could be a great incest story but then you have the HIGH naivety and LOW IQ of the daughter xD. haha, but that is the method they choose to make the story.

 

[Wanderan]

Any Incest games using Mind-Control / Magic-Aura-Corruption ... are far far away more the "reality". And praise it as good Incest story games is just absurd. It's basically rape incest but willing to be fucked.

If you think you can create reality incest story, I dare you to make one, min. 10 pages of it per couple Mom-Son or Father-Daughter or Brother-Sister. Also don't use nympho and slutty stereotypes.

I didn't say that the whole game was more realistic, I only said I liked the Sister Ending because for once, the MC wasn't a selfish prick. He turned down a harem (which he wanted for the whole game) for his sister, who has come to believe that her feelings are genuine. That's a far cry from straight up mind controlling her from start to finish (which is the alternate ending).

The primary reason they did the mind-control thing was to skip the long process of relationship building and the slow burn of getting incestuous feelings to develop. That and I guess it's a niche fetish.

Anyway, I'll try my hand at a few things I guess. The storylines I have in mind try to strike a balance between not so fast that it's as if we're skipping the relationship building to get to the fucking but not too slow that you have to wait a century for anything juicy to happen.

 

[Benn Swagger]

The primary reason they did the mind-control thing was to skip the long process of relationship building and the slow burn of getting incestuous feelings to develop. That and I guess it's a niche fetish.

Then just go ... start a game, no need to story, jump to sex scene, fap, exit game. (exaggerate)
Story is everything to me. Mind control used as background story is shit, it's lazy fuck, it's just my 1st hate reasoning of all time ... especially as an incest game. I better play the stereotype slutty stupid Mom suddenly want to fuck her boi who have a big cock, than playing a normal Mom who get "Mind Controlled" and then wish to fuck her boi.

 

[gunderson]

I think it's a lazy marketing technique to say that everybody else's work is shit and that you're coming in to save us all from bad incest games. They're not all bad. Some people have made great games (Summertime Saga, SuperPowered, Icstor's stuff has its moments, Milftoon Adventure, several of Goblinboy's games), but I respect every single porn game author out there who actually tried to make something original whether it worked out or not, unless their means of distribution was super exploitative or deceptive.

Just start with your idea or, better yet, an early version of your game. Then you can tell us all about how everybody else's stuff sucks.

 

[Wanderan]

I didn't say for a moment that any of them sucked, they just tend to not have good storylines.

Just cause a game doesn't have a good storyline doesn't mean it sucks. Incest Story was fun and the animations were on point, but it lacked in story.

I'm not saying anyone's games suck at all, I'm just saying that some of the stories are a bit lacking is all.