Ren'Py Project Evolution: First Class [v0.01] [Gunsmoke Games]

[CeilingFanStan]

I like this art image style and read the tags. So I looked at the images in main post but did not find an answer. The monster and monster adjacent tags. Does this mean... well monsters are involved? Not entirely sure how to ask this. Is Frankenstein going to be fucking someone in this? Or some human/animal hybrid? a furry?

Not disrespecting anyone or judging their preferences but want to know what monster signifies.

 

[Spidermen23]

It's ironic that the comment that got me banned on the SU thread was basically me complaining that they didn't do what they did with the release of this game like a 2 months ago, regardless, I'm happy to be eating my words at least for now. This is a solid start to a project and honestly has a lot more content than even SU did in it's first release. Sure there are some minor hick-ups but if they stick to their plan of actually listening to player input its all stuff that can easily be smoothed out in as little as the next update. If they actually stick to a consistent release schedule and the final SU update of the year is has even half the quality of this, then I'd say my skepticism about them juggling 2 projects has been proven false. This is kind of a perfect example of show don't tell. For all the posts gunsmoke made trying to defend themselves and ultimately creating more animosity here, the thing that ultimately helped counter that was releasing a solid 1st build and being honest about it's development. Sure it took them a bit, but if they really stick to this new mentality and approach, I think they might actually be able to rebuild the rep they've lost over the last few years. For the 3rd Xmen Evo game I've played and seen on this site, I can honestly say I'm excited to see future builds, and I appeciate them not just doing the "you nullify mutant powers so you can fuck Rouge* plot. Despite what some might think at first glance this is not another RougeLike remake, and the charm of Sunset's art really does help push this. Hopefully this new era will last. I'm glade this game has it's own thread now, because honestly it really does deserve it's own disscussion apart from the drama surrounding SU.

 

[presticus]

Yes! Keep em RogueLike clones coming! We need games that can deliver than what the OG game couldn't.

It's Gunsmoke Games/Sunsetriders7. I hope he can prove me wrong but I'm not anticipating this getting any farther than Oni's Rogue-like.

 

[Spidermen23]

It's Gunsmoke Games/Sunsetriders7. I hope he can prove me wrong but I'm not anticipating this getting any farther than Oni's Rogue-like.

If they don't repeat the early mistakes of SU with the code, this is very doable, and also doesn't seem like this is intended to have quite the scope of RL which tbh is a good thing. Only time will tell, but hopfully by working with a better engine and actually taking in fan input they might actually be able to have this one being one of the best. As hard as it is to believe for some people SU was actually pretty consistant and fast with updates for a good few years when it first dropped, the development lag only started a few years after the engine they where using was showing it's age and they really couldn't go back. There's reasons to be both skeptical and hopeful for this project, it's really a matter of Gunsmokegames proveing they can jugle 2 projects now that the alphas out. If they can, then we might be eating good for a little while. Also to their credit plot wise at least it's not a RL clone, just shares the same setting, but in the first build they've already done a decent job at giveing this game it's own vibe.

 

[Noble_Undergrounder_of_Ea]

Another X men game to test out...

 

[hachidickking]

Watashi wa kita

 

[Isseitamoko12]

anyone know how to level up your ability or increase your grades and stuff or has that not been added yet

 

[Witar]

but I presume invisibility is where the content lies judging by the previews

You can only spy on each girl in showers ONCE and that's it for extra invisibility content so far. Not even repeatable like the rest of the scenes.

 

[miscaniviel]

anyone know how to level up your ability or increase your grades and stuff or has that not been added yet

It's not in the game yet from what I can tell. I'm guessing further in development they'll add the ability to attend class or use the danger room in order to get xp, but right now you're stuck at lvl 1

 

[miscaniviel]

Not many....I know of The Null Hypothesis, Rogue-like: Evolution and Rated X...all of which are kinda similar

To be fair, I'm pretty sure they're similar because the other 2 were made by people frustrated with how Rogue-like Evolution seems to be going nowhere, and who decided to try to do better.

To look on the bright side, the more X-men games we get, the greater the chance that at least 1 of them gets completed at some point...

 

[Gunsmoke Games]

Art looks great as usual, hopefully they've learned some lessons from their other titles so they aren't as burdened with tech debt and past decisions haunting them.

This is our first attempt at our small games pipeline. Our goal is to have a fully finished product out in 6-8 months total. We're incorporating lean development ideas, and utilizing feedback to help us get a great product out. This will be 100% free to the public at v1.0. We will be attempting one of these small games yearly due to the popularity of this.

Yes! Keep em RogueLike clones coming! We need games that can deliver than what the OG game couldn't.

Very much it's own thing.

Art looks insanely good, fingers crossed it doesn't get abandoned

It's a small game, so we're anticipating one more push at content additions, after systems are fully integrated. Then this should be v1.0 and released on all platforms for free.

So, is this another remake of Rogue-Like Evolution or does it do its own thing?

No for one this is going to be about 8-9 months total dev time, compared to 10+ years for Rogue-Like.

 

[DragunsBahamuth]

because 2D art games take ages to put out, the Ai should be able to handle all the output without losing too much quality. Its unfortunate but he must've wanted to cut back on workload and focus more on output. But if you compare this to the front page of latest games on F95 its day and night. Ai slop is killing this site

Ok, i get it, I just disagree with what is happening with the site, I'm not saying that unfortunately creativity "died", many are opting for the easier path, but we still have on this site a very wide range of original creations without the constant use of AI for the entire project.

I'm not going to give anyone a hard time about using AI as a limited tool (for finishing touches, landscape/background sketches) to draw over those sketches, but I have a complete aversion to the complete USE of AI to do absolutely everything or most of a project, When I saw that he was going to use AI, I automatically assumed that he was going to use it for everything, which apparently isn't going to be the case.

 

[Gunsmoke Games]

So when you posted Korra pic and said "we are aiing, boys" and "use it as reference" this was a prank? I was hoping technologies will speed your patches. Maybe try this for coding at least?

Since you mentioned a discord message, I believe you're aware of the remainder of the context you may be intentionally leaving out.

This is very common attempt to focus on narrow context to form a razor thin argument. So let me fill everyone in Kirara. And I apologize in advance if you don't know the details.

- We announced we were going to explore AI usage, in an official Patreon post. In that post we said we would be open and transparent when or if we use it (this is what is commonly left out for people, when this argument is brought up)
- We then invested some capital and bought some computer equipment to attempt to train a LoRA on SR7's art. We didn't understand the in's and out's of AI. This was purely an exploration to see what is viable.
- The discord message Kirara is talking about came hours after we installed stable diffusion.
- The next build of SU had AI claims coming only from F95. The most famous one was that of a known troll who stated that a long tongue was an AI fingerprint. Faposko
- We shared an image of the layers and disproved the AI claim immediately.

This wasn't a prank Kirara it's fucking stupid to lie and get caught which would happen if we used AI. So the fact that nobody has caught us, and our stance is we would be open. Maybe people should stop trying to catch us. Honestly the best AI artists in the world are easy to spot the AI.

As for AI technologies helping speed up work. There are many that show promise and I can assure you every dev is paying attention. But for Gen AI it's getting better, but consistency is only available to the top prompters in the world currently. And writing just has an AI tinge to it. For programming, our stuff is way to simple to utilize, and we have a python programmer on staff.

I think AI right now for us does a better job at helping us decode what people like, rather than help us make the things people like. But that can shift the more AI is pushed down users throats. But we would be absolutely retarded to give up our hand drawn advantage.

 

[Gunsmoke Games]

Ok, i get it, I just disagree with what is happening with the site, I'm not saying that unfortunately creativity "died", many are opting for the easier path, but we still have on this site a very wide range of original creations without the constant use of AI for the entire project.

I'm not going to give anyone a hard time about using AI as a limited tool (for finishing touches, landscape/background sketches) to draw over those sketches, but I have a complete aversion to the complete USE of AI to do absolutely everything or most of a project, When I saw that he was going to use AI, I automatically assumed that he was going to use it for everything, which apparently isn't going to be the case.

We said we would explore AI usage, not use it. We said we would be transparent on the usage if and when we use it. That announcement never came. Now we get witch hunted for being open. Sucks to suck I guess

 

[alexalex246]

Is the most you can do at the moment BJ with Kitty and Rogue? Jean and Storm are just repeating the same dialogue for me now.

 

[Xizor111]

Is the most you can do at the moment BJ with Kitty and Rogue? Jean and Storm are just repeating the same dialogue for me now.

BJ for Kitty and Rogue, peeping on all 4 girls with the Invisibility power (one time only)

 

[KFC1150]

Only rogue and kitty?

 

[Nymphonomicon]

No for one this is going to be about 8-9 months total dev time, compared to 10+ years for Rogue-Like.

Just thought I'd ask as I'm seeing similarities to it that made me think it was the same premise.

 

[Noonetwo]

See you guys in 2037 when the game releases.

 

[1337whatever1337]

Looks like Sunstrider at least has found passion to draw something again, which is nice. Just kinda wish for a bow or ending to something unlimited.