Question about daz3d similar character to other game copyright

[kira123]

Well, the question is if you are allowed to distribute it outside of your country.

Well that's interesting. In my country there are no specific laws that say you can or you cannot distribute pornography outside of the country. It just stated that we are not being allowed to distribute pornography including animation. It means as long I am an Indonesian citizen then I cannot create pornography right regardless of the country that my content will be distributed into.

 

[Tompte]

Makes me sad man. I looked up a map of pornography laws by region and even while I live in a green zone like half the world is in the red. It's usually based on either religious dogma or baseless claims that pornography corrupts minds, which is demonstratively false. In either case it's a belief that people are in need of correction, which is an idea I strongly disagree with. I've met plenty of Indonesians and none of them needed any correcting.

Very often the primary use for these kinds of laws is to discriminate against minority groups (like low-income women or sex workers) and they've never had any measurable impact on whatever "indecency" they were intended to resolve.

And I'm not even that big a fan of straight-up porn. But I love eroticism in art. I love the idea that a drawing or a story or a game can tickle someone's brain. Art is rarely the target but often falls casualty because apparently half the world thinks nipples are evil.

 

[Deleted member 1536527]

Makes me sad man. I looked up a map of pornography laws by region and even while I live in a green zone like half the world is in the red. It's usually based on either religious dogma or baseless claims that pornography corrupts minds, which is demonstratively false. In either case it's a belief that people are in need of correction, which is an idea I strongly disagree with. I've met plenty of Indonesians and none of them needed any correcting.

Very often the primary use for these kinds of laws is to discriminate against minority groups (like low-income women or sex workers) and they've never had any measurable impact on whatever "indecency" they were intended to resolve.

And I'm not even that big a fan of straight-up porn. But I love eroticism in art. I love the idea that a drawing or a story or a game can tickle someone's brain. Art is rarely the target but often falls casualty because apparently half the world thinks nipples are evil.

I know . I've been sitting on so much material for quite a while now, but for this sole reason I am extremely hesitant of opening up a Patreon or something. Again I don't know of any cases like this in my country, I do know some people that work online make quite a lot of money (but they just lie on their official documents about what it is they actually do, especially if its something online and potentially illegal like piracy etc, and nobody really bothers to verify it). But I'm always paranoid.

 

[aexiel]

The only reason you can't buy adult games on your Nintendo Switch or PS4 is because Nintendo and Sony both want to sell a family friendly product that any parent could buy for their kids without a second thought. It's not because of any law.

The Nintendo JP e-shop on the Switch actually has some eroge being sold and a bunch of interactive gravure idol games. None for the English e-shops though. Its more of an issue with how Western censors not allowing it.

Well that would be ideal wouldn't it, if we could just make money in crypto. But unfortunately I don't think its possible with Patreon. (And I don't know of any other service that provides this ). I think you HAVE to involve some sort of bank in the process. However there are some ways to avoid a direct link.

I know in Patreon, you can use services like Payoneer, to process your transfers. So for example, instead of linking your Patreon directly to your bank account, you link it to your Payoneer, and then from your Payoneer to your bank account (its more exapensive and Payoneer has its own fees). So, the bank presumably doesn't know about or see the Patreon directly, they only know that these funds are coming from Payoneer. (They can still question you about it if there is suspicious activity or large transactions happening, but there's no direct link.)

However that being said, I still have some confusion regarding this, does Payoneer know?? When we link Payoneer to Patreon, obviously it shows an ID number for our Patreon account in the Payoneer account, but does Payoneer know exactly what account does this ID belong to? Like can they actually see the Patreon page. My assumption is no.

Also apart from Payoneer you can use Stripe. Other than that there are direct banks available, or branchless banks. You can try and use those, definitely far more flexible than traditional banks.

But still if someday crypto comes into play here that would be ideal.

The only way to avoid the trace is to limit the frequency of the transfers. Payoneer and other similar services will eventually be required to provide documentation of the person receiving the money. Depending on local laws, some transfers may be flagged as suspicious if they are either "too frequent in small amounts" or "excessively high". Basically, your worst fear of being traced relies on anti-money laundering laws rather than the content you make. Technically, what you are trying to do can also be considered money laundering if the whole point is to avoid trace. Even cryptos are being cracked on by governments because of the massive amount of non-taxable money exchanges that happen in the crypto market.

As far as I know, services like Patreon and SubscribeStar are not legally required by most governments to report users who create adult oriented content. It is a different case for CP and other morally objectionable content. These sites privacy policy should prevent your government from cracking down on you unless you get doxxed and get reported. So as long as you have a username that is not traceable to your IRL name you should be safe. The bank wouldn't ask you if you make lewd content. Most KYC is general (i.e. salary/donation/commission/service fee) and don't go any deeper.


As far as lolis are concerned, Japan generally circumvents this by slapping a label on the cover or preface that all characters are 18+ (or whatever the legal age in your country is). As far as I'm concerned, a loli is a female character who is of legal age but possesses a prepubescent or underdeveloped body. For obvious reasons, any legally produced Hentai in Japan do not mention what school level nor the age the lolis are so it can fall in a legal grey area that they are fictional and therefore are adults by virtue of the creator's privilege. Its different when you specifically mention the characters are in middle school which leads to the assumption that the characters are between 14-16.

 

[Deleted member 1536527]

Most KYC is general (i.e. salary/donation/commission/service fee) and don't go any deeper.

Yeah the KYC policies is what I am generally afraid of. Cuz obviously I can shrug them off, and say something like "oh I make online video games/I do software development/I do freelancing" and I am aware that about 8 times out of 10 they'll accept this and move on. But every now and then they can ask for some sort of proof or documents (especially when it comes to taxation issues). With Patreon (which they would be unaware of) the payment email you get is generally enough to show to any sort of authorities. But then they'll have access to the actual Patreon page itself and figure out what the hell is actually happening.

 

[Tompte]

The Nintendo JP e-shop on the Switch actually has some eroge being sold and a bunch of interactive gravure idol games. None for the English e-shops though. Its more of an issue with how Western censors not allowing it.

Good point. 'Family friendly' might not be the best choice of words. (Also, I need to find a way to get in on that.)

Depending on local laws, some transfers may be flagged as suspicious if they are either "too frequent in small amounts" or "excessively high". Basically, your worst fear of being traced relies on anti-money laundering laws rather than the content you make.

This checks out. Years ago I made some avatar skins and models for Second Life and sold them on their marketplace (I still do). I was making hundreds of dollars a month and it went straight into my Paypal and that was fine for a while. But eventually the accumulated sales became substantial enough that something must've tripped and they stopped letting me transfer anything until I submitted a photocopy of a valid ID and my utility bills and stuff.

I also remember something similar happened to a then random no-name swede when his Paypal got locked after it suddenly had 600k euros in it over night, after he released some kind of blocky mining crafting game. I forget what it was called. It became quite popular.

 

[aexiel]

Yeah the KYC policies is what I am generally afraid of. Cuz obviously I can shrug them off, and say something like "oh I make online video games/I do software development/I do freelancing" and I am aware that about 8 times out of 10 they'll accept this and move on. But every now and then they can ask for some sort of proof or documents (especially when it comes to taxation issues). With Patreon (which they would be unaware of) the payment email you get is generally enough to show to any sort of authorities. But then they'll have access to the actual Patreon page itself and figure out what the hell is actually happening.

I looked the law up from articles I found sating it was too general. I mean it practically bans any sort or romanticism not even eroticism. Plain kissing and swimsuits are banned. The only loophole you have is to move to cities in Indonesia that are not willing to enforce the law. In an article I read, Bali, one of the non-Muslim dominant cities rejects the law. Base on what I know, Bali relies heavily on tourism and enforcing that law would deter foreigners with PDA being deemed illegal by this law.

I can't find an English copy of the law so I can't really say for certain about other loopholes.

If you're in the middle east, well...you're screwed. My country might be shitty and our internet is poor, but at least we can still watch porn. The only porn my country prohibits is of course CP and illegally uploaded, non-consensual voyeurism. I know many artists from my country that make lewd art with no repercussions except from the Church.

Good point. 'Family friendly' might not be the best choice of words. (Also, I need to find a way to get in on that.)


This checks out. Years ago I made some avatar skins and models for Second Life and sold them on their marketplace (I still do). I was making hundreds of dollars a month and it went straight into my Paypal and that was fine for a while. But eventually the accumulated sales became substantial enough that something must've tripped and they stopped letting me transfer anything until I submitted a photocopy of a valid ID and my utility bills and stuff.

I also remember something similar happened to a then random no-name swede when his Paypal got locked after it suddenly had 600k euros in it over night, after he released some kind of blocky mining crafting game. I forget what it was called. It became quite popular.

Blame terrorists and crime syndicates. The only reason these compliance requirements exist is to prevent money laundering.

Check your bank's privacy policy to see how much information you'll need to disclose for KYC.