Question about no mercy

[Geigi]

That's not woke, it's just normies being normies like I said. The reaction to this game is the same as the religious folk saying "Rock and Roll is the Devil!" which is not the same thing as being woke. Lumping every damn thing into being woke just makes people roll their eyes and ignore everything you have to say as reactionary and stupid.

Holy shit, when is your rally going to be? You handing out signs? Gonna have a megaphone while you're up on that soap box? What's the slogan gonna be "We gotta fight for our right to enjoy rape!"

Oh, obviously, I'm sure you're just dead set against it.

So many genres barely exists. Rock, punk, country. Music and songs are worse than ever... I miss 80s.

 

[tanstaafl]

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So many genres barely exists anymore. Rock, punk, country. Music and songs are worse than ever... I miss 80s.

They still exist. They're just not pushed to the front if they're not part of the algorithm. We have to actually work to find our genres. I'd say the only genre that is actually gone is new wave.

Edit: Just noticed that "barely exist". Guess we're on the same page. And I preferred the early 90, lol.

 

[Lunarius]

That's not woke, it's just normies being normies like I said. The reaction to this game is the same as the religious folk saying "Rock and Roll is the Devil!" which is not the same thing as being woke. Lumping every damn thing into being woke just makes people roll their eyes and ignore everything you have to say as reactionary and stupid.

Holy shit, when is your rally going to be? You handing out signs? Gonna have a megaphone while you're up on that soap box? What's the slogan gonna be "We gotta fight for our right to enjoy rape!"

Oh, obviously, I'm sure you're just dead set against it.

Edit: Just to clarify, aside from my snark, I'm not saying the games should or shouldn't exist. People have the right to enjoy what they want. I'm saying that what happened to the game isn't fucking woke, it's just reactionary.

Feminism is reactionary now?

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This moral panic is the doing of feminist activists. Not of conservative or reactionary ones.

 

[tanstaafl]

Feminism is reactionary now?

Feminism has always been reactionary.

This moral panic is the doing of feminist activists. Not of conservative or reactionary ones.

Horse shit. The enjoyment of and reaction to rape in any media will always, always have multiple groups of people involved. Feminists, dads, husbands, people. Why is why I called it just normies. Normal people don't like rape. The people with the rape kink just need to accept that.

 

[Lunarius]

Feminism has always been reactionary.

I... actually agree with that.

In practice, feminism usually is about finding things to react against. This has already been the case since First Wave feminists were trying to get alcohol banned, and they actually succeeded in that for a while in the US with Prohibition. So in that regard, feminism really is reactionary in practice.

Horse shit. The enjoyment of and reaction to rape in any media will always, always have multiple groups of people involved. Feminists, dads, husbands, people. Why is why I called it just normies. Normal people don't like rape. The people with the rape kink just need to accept that.

...aaaand now you've lost me.

That game barely even qualifies for the rape tag. I'll gladly admit that it's not 'clean' or socially acceptable. But the whole "this is a rape game!"-thing is >90% down to the fact that this is a moral panic and that most people talking about this right now are just blindly parrotting eachother.

And if rape in fiction is categorically unacceptable, then why did 50 Shades of Grey get as much success as that it did? That one is a lot skeevier and rape-ier than No Mercy. (though admittedly, that one was controversial as well - even if it did get a mainstream movie adaptation)

You do have a valid point that rape triggers people for good reason. But at the same time, society's attitude to rape and sexual coercion is more complex and schizophrenic than people generally want to admit.

 

[Geigi]

Feminism has always been reactionary.

Horse shit. The enjoyment of and reaction to rape in any media will always, always have multiple groups of people involved. Feminists, dads, husbands, people. Why is why I called it just normies. Normal people don't like rape. The people with the rape kink just need to accept that.

I wonder if a woman made a game in which roles would be reversed? Would it cause uproar? A daughter taking revenge against her dad by castrating and eating him. Cannibalism is a fetish too.

 

[tanstaafl]

I wonder if a woman made a game in which roles would be reversed? Would it cause uproar? A daughter taking revenge against her dad by castrating him eating him. Cannibalism is a fetish too.

Of course it would. The camps on either side are reactionary by nature. Any kind of belief system based as a majority on the actions and beliefs of another group is by definition, reactionary.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This means that when one object exerts a force on another object, the second object will exert an equal force back in the opposite direction.

 

[Geigi]

Of course it would. The camps on either side are reactionary by nature. Any kind of belief system based as a majority on the actions and beliefs of another group is by definition, reactionary.

Did you watched Saltburn? The new version of Nosferatu? Movies are getting bold.

 

[tanstaafl]

Did you watched Saltburn? The new version of Nosferatu? Movies are getting bold.

No, but I've heard it's good from several sources. I'll have to check it out.

As for Nosferatu, that's already on my list to watch when I get time.

 

[Geigi]

No, but I've heard it's good from several sources. I'll have to check it out.

I heard that gay guys and women loved Saltburn, straight men-disgusted. Nosferatu though, women loved it too. I guess its because too much of monster fucking fiction reading.

 

[tanstaafl]

I heard that gay guys and women loved Saltburn, straight men-disgusted. Nosferatu though, women loved it too. I guess its because too much of monster fucking fiction reading.

I've heard that saltburn covers the whole gamut of "wtf", lol, so I could see it affecting people.

I do know that he literally fucks a grave at one point, so yeah.

 

[tanstaafl]

I've heard that saltburn covers the whole gamut of "wtf", lol, so I could see it affecting people.

I do know that he literally fucks a grave at one point, so yeah.

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[Geigi]

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Yeah, that scene was controversial a lot.

 

[tanstaafl]

Yeah, that scene was controversial a lot.

And apparently an ad lib by the actor, lol.

 

[tanstaafl]

...aaaand now you've lost me.

That game barely even qualifies for the rape tag. I'll gladly admit that it's not 'clean' or socially acceptable. But the whole "this is a rape game!"-thing is >90% down to the fact that this is a moral panic and that most people talking about this right now are just blindly parrotting eachother.

And if rape in fiction is categorically unacceptable, then why did 50 Shades of Grey get as much success as that it did? That one is a lot skeevier and rape-ier than No Mercy. (though admittedly, that one was controversial as well - even if it did get a mainstream movie adaptation)

You do have a valid point that rape triggers people for good reason. But at the same time, society's attitude to rape and sexual coercion is more complex and schizophrenic than people generally want to admit.

Like I said in my previous, I don't get into what games should and shouldn't exist. My entire stake in this thread is that the reaction to it by people is not woke.

Other than that, my statement is that people with the rape kink have to accept that they have a huge uphill battle to fight. How many of you are willing to go public and actually argue your case with people looking at your face while you diatribe about how you should be able to enjoy rape in the privacy of your own home?

 

[Lunarius]

Like I said in my previous, I don't get into what games should and shouldn't exist. My entire stake in this thread is that the reaction to it by people is not woke.

You're right about that. And I'm not blaming you - don't shoot the messenger, and all that.

Though it does tie into 'woke' in that rape is one of those things that's been made into a spearhead issue by contemporary feminist (and thus 'woke') activist groups, and that such activism has traction in mainstream society.

Compare how fictional depictions of violence and street crime often (not always, but quite often) get a pass in mainstream Western society. Those things usually hit a blind spot, even though street crime and random violence are every bit as unacceptable to normal people.

Even though there still are activist groups that are trying to get videogames banned on the grounds of violence, they don't have nearly as much traction as their feminist counterparts. (hell, they don't even have nearly the kind of traction that they did in the 90s, back when Tipper Gore and Joe Lieberman were still relevant)

Other than that, my statement is that people with the rape kink have to accept that they have a huge uphill battle to fight. How many of you are willing to go public and actually argue your case with people looking at your face while you diatribe about how you should be able to enjoy rape in the privacy of your own home?

I mean, I would be - but that says more about me being almost pathologically contrarian.

But you do raise a good point here. I'm a big believer in freedom of thought and the notion of "no victim = no crime". But at the same time, those aren't a popular notions.

There's that oft-mentioned Mencken quote: “The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”

...and therein lies the rub. If you want to defend freedom of thought and freedom - absolute freedom - of expression in fiction on the grounds of "no victim = no crime", then that also means defending fictional rape.

And that's a hard sell, because most people will always be in favour of banning things that they feel are wrong. Even if these things are purely fictional.

 

[morphnet]

That being said... 2009 is a long time ago. Sixteen years is quite a while, and both the internet and the world in general have changed significantly since then.

To put that into perspective: Tumblr and Reddit (founded in 2007 and 2008 respectively) were still obscure upstart things back then, and smartphones were still a small fraction of the online devices. Patreon hadn't even been founded yet (that was in 2013), Facebook hadn't gone public yet (that was in 2012), and the internet as a whole wasn't nearly as consolidated back then.

Fast forward to today, and we have things like creditcard/online payment monopolies coercing Patreon, Pornhub and OnlyFans. Even though creditcard companies coercing people has been a thing since George W. Bush, the sheer scale of it has only expanded over the years.

That is true BUT you've also kept it very one sided, only focusing on the negatives.

In that same time frame mainstream media has shown more violence, incest and bestiality than ever before, the western indie porn game scene grew by leaps and bounds, large platforms began allowing the sale of adult games, service platforms embraced the NSFW content community and the inevitable push back against porn, porn games and NSFW content was proportional to it's growth and is even lagging behind in terms of the advancement of technology.

The last part is probably why there "seems" to be a scramble to deal with it in some cases but nowhere near the scope that is being mentioned in here.

On top of that, there has also been a slow but steady rise of anti-porn laws. The UK had its ban on 'extreme pornography' already in 2008, and there have been similar (albeit generally less extreme) bans in other countries since then.

This is due to the fast paced advancement in technology and the slow reaction on the part of governments and the fallout that they are now seeing. It is also driven in most of these cases by child safety online.

To add to that; banning things in general has been in vogue throughout the West since then. My own country, the Netherlands, banned bestiality and the depiction of bestiality in 2010, raised the drinking age from 16 to 18 in 2014, and is currently in the process of banning fireworks. That might seem like an obscure little example - but it does fit into a broader pattern that extends to the West as a whole.

This is the natural progression in terms of changing social / cultural norms, growing populations and the influence of cases in other countries. This is how it has always been, countries adopt new policies, regulations and laws as the world changes and some things fall out of favor (found to be harmful, become no longer socially acceptable) and others become more popular. Whether it's cocaine and opium or nicotine or teenagers in porn or now bestiality, drinking and fireworks.

What you are talking about is not "a sign of the times" but how it has always been.

For internet-related developments, just look at how Patreon et al got coerced into banning incest and basically any other kind of (legal!) taboo content.

For the record and to give some context to the next part of my reply,

1) I hate the rules forced on patreon as much as anyone.
2) There is clearly an agenda being pushed when the payment processors force these terms on platforms like patreon.

That being said, it is limited pressure and no matter how hard the push it will never be as bad as you think it is going to be because history will ALWAYS repeat itself. Western countries shot themselves in the foot when they told all the people they had freedoms because now, while people are willing to accept some limitations, they will never accept or allow full bans / removals.
Whether it's alcohol, guns, sex, recreational activities etc. etc. You just have to look at the reactions of people during the lockdown for covid to see a small glimpse of it.

Also look at the campaigns against violent video games, even when sex was involved they were not able to come close to changing everything and nowhere near able to push that onto other media. The response was people were grudgingly willing to accept ratings added but the campaigners would never and will never be able to remove it completely, let alone push it into other areas.

So when etempy says it's like a cancer and "then they will move onto other games with similar topics then not so similar topics like just any game with sex or adult content." they are wrong, it will never get that far.

So even though it's good not to catastrophize things, we should still keep in mind that things have changed, and that porngame scandals might not turn out like they did when Rapelay had its fifteen minutes of fame.

You are right that things have changed and things across the board will continue to change but even elevating this is a scandal is giving it more importance than is necessary.

Details being shared are not proportionate to the actual response that the game received, for example you said the game was banned in Australia, Canada and the UK, it's not banned, it was just removed from steam. They are still in the process of deciding if it should remain online.

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9 April 2025, 14:40 | Updated: 10 April 2025, 11:44

"Mr Kyle also suggested that the regulator should make a call on whether the game should remain online.

"Ofcom is the regulator," Mr Kyle said. "They are tasked with enforcing and they will make the judgment as to whether content is removed in an appropriate time."

Stopping it from being sold on steam and stopping anyone from purchasing it / supporting it on any platform are very different things.

The main drive behind this is child safety online and while they might try use that to extend their reach, the scope will not reach what has been warned of in this thread.

 

[HornyMonsterGirlEnjoyer]

Heard about a game call no mercy being pull from steam for apparently having rape in it but I seem quite a few other like it that been on steam for way longer but was not pull. What exactly is in the game for the people who have play it? Is it really bad as they say?

At this point it's free promotion. I wouldn't have ever played the game if there was no controversy. I think everyone who's pissed off is just that. Pissed off. There's other things more deserving of rage. Just let people jerk off.(This is not a recommendation or demonization. Just decide for yourself if it's worth your time)

 

[desmosome]

Y'all need to be aware of how things enter public consciousness. A group of humans act like an organism in itself, and it's rather predictable how this organism reacts. The game just had the unfortunate luck of entering public consciousness (normie-sphere) via some "woke/feminist/sjw" reactionary content. And once it does, it propagates along the same lines. If you think about other examples, like the Hitler porn game, it entered the public consciousness with some ridicule and humor (except in Germany, as expected, which banned the game I guess). You could imagine an alternate timeline where the Hitler game was presented on TikTok by some holocaust survivor who is crying and being dead serious about the harmful nature of downplaying the atrocities and such. And it spreads across other social media. It probably results in similar outrage (although admittedly, not as severe since the game does present itself as parody).

You can see this in action all the time. A reddit thread that shows a fight between two guys. If it's edited just enough to present one guy as the asshole, with a title that matches, the tone of the entire thread follows this interpretation. It can go the total opposite way by changing the title.

And if you get all riled up about "woke", there is a chance that you are some MAGA zombie, which means "your side" does the same shit all the time. In fact, it's what defines MAGA. A bunch of sheep that needs to be told what to think and what to feel.

So yes, a bunch of people that lack critical thinking exists regardless of political leanings. The same group that is crying about this game will be totally fine with other portrayals of rape or violence. They can make the argument that there should be freedom of expression while simultaneously trying to cancel a fictional story. This is the same as MAGA talking about freedom of expression while simultaneously supporting the active crackdown against the free press.

People are just so fucking stupid, and when these stupid cells coalesce into one big slime monster of stupidity, you can predict how this organism will move around based on external stimuli. So here is my prediction. Nothing happens and they move on in a few weeks like always.

 

[Kame-Sennin]

Is the step relationship canon? or it's just a cover the blood-relation incest due to patreon rules?