Seduction in Incest Games

[megaplayboy10k]

I have occasionally criticized the use of ridiculous methods of "seduction" in some/many incest games--doing more chores, e.g.--but it does occur to me that, in part, this is because there's really no real-life blueprint for doing so, because few people(fortunately) attempt to seduce their own mother in real life, and we have no idea what the "success rate" of such attempts are. For all we know it might be less difficult than expected(though I tend to doubt it). A lot of seduction is fairly indirect--that is, implied rather than explicitly stated--and that's likely to be even more true for this type of "forbidden" seduction. Body language, it would seem to me, would be an important part of such a covert seduction--increasing touch, more meaningful gazes, hand holding, hugging, caressing, etc. Verbal expressions with a double meaning--part familial, part romantic/erotic. "Display" behavior may also be important--"accidentally" dropping your towel in the bathroom, working shirtless in the backyard, wearing a nice outfit, etc.

There's a book, The Five Love Languages, that suggests 5 general approaches to expressing love for another--giving/receiving gifts, words of affirmation, spending quality time together, acts of service/devotion, and use of physical touch. That's probably a good model for different approaches/methods of seduction. Of course, the book also suggests that people may be most comfortable with one or two of these approaches, and colder to others. One could model this in game via a "trial and error" method, which leads to discovering that Sis appreciates gifts and favors, and Mom appreciates quality time and words of affirmation(i.e., compliments, praise, verbal support, expressions of love and admiration).

It seems likely that such a seduction attempt would hit a number of roadblocks along the way--first, figuring out what methods and tactics are actually effective; second, once the object of affection either begins to experience reciprocal attraction, or it begins to dawn on them you are showing an "improper" interest in them, handling the initial freakout phase; third, navigating through a potential cycle of push/pull, where things begin to progress, then shame/regret/inhibition causes a pull back; fourth, handling the fallout after finally "doing it", that they may have a bigger freakout moment of shame/regret/remorse, and coaxing them through this moment to make them comfortable continuing; fifth, navigating them beyond their other erotic and relational boundaries(and quite often, establishing complete dominance in the relationship--if one is attempting to create a "harem" that includes other family members) to the outer limits of the possible.

Even fiction dealing with incest generally treats it as "accidental" or abusive/predatory. The notion of, say, a pubescent or adolescent boy using seduction, manipulation and coercion to fuck his mom and three sisters would be seen as patently absurd. Or that kid would have to be a supergenius with regard to social intelligence. I do think that game elements like peeping and sleep-groping just tend to make the main character look even creepier. In theory, you could have a main character who is unhappy with how he gets along with his family, who decides to work toward improving his relationships with them, and begins to realize as things progress that they are starting to respond in a way he didn't expect...

 

[Avaron1974]

I do think that game elements like peeping and sleep-groping just tend to make the main character look even creepier.

Those are my two biggest turn offs from a game. If it isn't an exceptional game with outstanding writing and characters I usually delete it as soon as I see one of those. They are usually an indication it's going to be nothing but shitty tropes with a creepy as fuck MC.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Those are my two biggest turn offs from a game. If it isn't an exceptional game with outstanding writing and characters I usually delete it as soon as I see one of those. They are usually an indication it's going to be nothing but shitty tropes with a creepy as fuck MC.

I'm sure that I peeped a few times as a kid, and I felt creepy while I was doing it! I understand voyeurism is a thing, and to be fair this is usually avoidable in game, I just think it's jarring when mixed with an "honest and sincere seduction" narrative.

 

[Agent HK47]

As you point out yourself, the biggest issue is that this is not something that is researchable in real life, which gives us a very instable foundation on which to build a believeable scenario. Add to this that you need to speed up how fast things progress in a game, to avoid boring the players, and you have an almost impossible job, if you want to create a "real" setup of someone seducing his family members.

As for how it would work in real life, obviously doing more chores would not make your mother suddenly go "oh wow, my son is a real man. Look at how firm he is with that vacuum cleaner," because if that was the case, then my mother would have been bouncing up and down on my dick for the last 10 years, and that hasn't happened (and if it did somehow happen, I would probably want to kill myself afterwards, so I wouldn't have to live with the memory of it.)

So, I guess if you are a young guy and you want to suddenly seduce your mother/sister, I would say that the biggest thing is to seperate yourself from the little boy they have always known and probably largely still see you as, either by using closer physical contact, acting more confident or by deeper conversations, where you drop casual hints every now and then. Also, show them that you can take of yourself in life - especially financially - cause that will likely also help further the idea that you are now a man, rather than a boy.

Ofc this is just my speculation. In reality I would say that even the most handsome & confident son, would have an almost impossible task of successfully seducing his mother/sister. Sure, incestuous hookups still happens all over the world, but generally I think that it speaks more about the mental state of these people, than it does anything else.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

As you point out yourself, the biggest issue is that this is not something that is researchable in real life, which gives us a very instable foundation on which to build a believeable scenario. Add to this that you need to speed up how fast things progress in a game, to avoid boring the players, and you have an almost impossible job, if you want to create a "real" setup of someone seducing his family members.

As for how it would work in real life, obviously doing more chores would not make your mother suddenly go "oh wow, my son is a real man. Look at how firm he is with that vacuum cleaner," because if that was the case, then my mother would have been bouncing up and down on my dick for the last 10 years, and that hasn't happened (and if it did somehow happen, I would probably want to kill myself afterwards, so I wouldn't have to live with the memory of it.)

So, I guess if you are a young guy and you want to suddenly seduce your mother/sister, I would say that the biggest thing is to seperate yourself from the little boy they have always known and probably largely still see you as, either by using closer physical contact, acting more confident or by deeper conversations, where you drop casual hints every now and then. Also, show them that you can take of yourself in life - especially financially - cause that will likely also help further the idea that you are now a man, rather than a boy.

Ofc this is just my speculation. In reality I would say that even the most handsome & confident son, would have an almost impossible task of successfully seducing his mother/sister. Sure, incestuous hookups still happens all over the world, but generally I think that it speaks more about the mental state of these people, than it does anything else.

We do know, based at least on a pile of anecdotal evidence, that the female teacher-male student relationship happens often enough to have websites covering the phenomenon.
I would say that, generally, the most likely scenarios in-game of incestuous seduction happening would involve either highly unusual circumstances(broken home, mc becomes the breadwinner/head of household, major trauma, mom and sisters unusually vulnerable), a highly unusual/exceptional protagonist(handsome, confident, charismatic, a skilled manipulator), or some kind of fantasy/sci-fi or supernatural element(i.e., mind control/corruption). You could have an incest story that doesn't require this, but most likely you'd have to scale down the scope(mom and sis, not mom, 3 sisters, aunt, etc.).

 

[Agent HK47]

We do know, based at least on a pile of anecdotal evidence, that the female teacher-male student relationship happens often enough to have websites covering the phenomenon.
I would say that, generally, the most likely scenarios in-game of incestuous seduction happening would involve either highly unusual circumstances(broken home, mc becomes the breadwinner/head of household, major trauma, mom and sisters unusually vulnerable), a highly unusual/exceptional protagonist(handsome, confident, charismatic, a skilled manipulator), or some kind of fantasy/sci-fi or supernatural element(i.e., mind control/corruption). You could have an incest story that doesn't require this, but most likely you'd have to scale down the scope(mom and sis, not mom, 3 sisters, aunt, etc.).

I would probably say the "major trauma/mom & sister extra vulnerable are most likely to trigger a response, but only if the person targeting them is really charismatic/manipulative.
Science/supernatural elements is not something I am really counting in this scenario, since we were discussing more "realistic" styles of appraching the subject.

Anyway, in case of the female teacher + young male student (which is happening quite a lot these days indeed) I usually read that many of the teachers claims to have been in a vulnerable state, caused by bad marrige or other things, which made them more suceptible to the student's advances.
I think this situation is probably the closest we get to the "son seduces mother" situation (in terms of well-documented episodes), since there is a similar authorative/submissive dynamic between a teacher & student, vs mother & son. If a student can exploit a teacher in a weakened mental state, it is not far fetched that something similar could happen with a similarly vulnerable mother, who is being targeted by a charismatic son. There would probably be a much stronger resistance though, due to the added nature of incest, but like I said, its probably the 2 closest scenarios we have.

 

[Avaron1974]

If you look through legal cases, which I was forced to do when I studied law back when my school uniform still fit (and I had dreams of being a bitchy lawyer like my Aunt ... until I found my love of cooking ... anyway), most cases of incest seen are mothers fucking young sons, usually early teens (thus the law case, it's statutory rape). It's very rare i've seen or heard of things the other way around.

Siblings are the next most heard of. A lot of the time it's siblings that were separated for extended periods and get emotionally overwhelmed when meeting up again.

Cousins is the most common I read about ... mainly because that doesn't have the same social stigma or legal ramifications.

The biggest reason porn games don't want to follow real life is the fantasy behind it is never the same as the reality.

Social stigma, legal proceedings, broken families and that's if the family member being "seduced" returns those feelings at all in which case anger and jealousy which in turn brings in violence. I've seen cases of young girls being moved into womens shelters after rejecting brothers/fathers and that turning into domestic abuse.

Most folks aren't going to be receptive to incest which would kinda ruin the whole point of a game.

I can't imagine a game doing very well when the son finally confesses his feelings to his mother and his mother kicking him out the house ... the end.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

If you look through legal cases, which I was forced to do when I studied law back when my school uniform still fit (and I had dreams of being a bitchy lawyer like my Aunt ... until I found my love of cooking ... anyway), most cases of incest seen are mothers fucking young sons, usually early teens (thus the law case, it's statutory rape). It's very rare i've seen or heard of things the other way around.

Siblings are the next most heard of. A lot of the time it's siblings that were separated for extended periods and get emotionally overwhelmed when meeting up again.

Cousins is the most common I read about ... mainly because that doesn't have the same social stigma or legal ramifications.

The biggest reason porn games don't want to follow real life is the fantasy behind it is never the same as the reality.

Social stigma, legal proceedings, broken families and that's if the family member being "seduced" returns those feelings at all in which case anger and jealousy which in turn brings in violence. I've seen cases of young girls being moved into womens shelters after rejecting brothers/fathers and that turning into domestic abuse.

Most folks aren't going to be receptive to incest which would kinda ruin the whole point of a game.

I can't imagine a game doing very well when the son finally confesses his feelings to his mother and his mother kicking him out the house ... the end.

I think the realism level for a "realistic" h game is "marginally more realistic than a letter to Penthouse forum."

 

[Avaron1974]

I think the realism level for a "realistic" h game is "marginally more realistic than a letter to Penthouse forum."

Some of those letters are legit hilarious.

I love reading the sexcapades people send in to adult magazines and websites to see if any of them sound the least bit plausible. From candle lit dinners leading to threesomes with hot twins to a guy meeting a girl on a bus only to end up in her flat 10 minutes later giving her the best sex of her life.

I've got no doubts things like that happen but usually the people doing it aren't going to send their exploits to Readers Wive's magazine.

Saying that, some bloke my twinsy dated once tried to make out that he slept with both of us in a threesomes. He told the folks in the local bar all about it. The same bar I was drinking in when that supposed threesome was going on, with my girlfriend, who he thought was just a really good friend that shared my bed.

Now I type that out he was dense as fuck.

I always used to enjoy reading about the mile high club stuff. People fucking on planes and whathaveyou. Always wanted to do that. Only 1 thing holds me back. I am terrified of flying.

 

[whiskeyrose]

Realistic seduction is so rare because it's so difficult to do and still make a game fun. In a lewd game sex needs to be the forefront of the game, because its the entire reason someone is playing the game. Almost nobody scans the latest update page looking for an epic to start reading, they're looking for a game that will get them off.

Typically (not always) sex is built up to after a long series of romantic interactions from a first meeting. In reality that's exciting to be exploring a relationship with someone, building up to holding hands, talking on the phone, snuggling at a movie, and then maybe some heavy petting all which builds up over time. But in a game it's boring as shit, and usually is produced as a "Have dinner and chat X number of times" followed by the ever so popular "Peep on her in the shower X times you fucking lowlife." segments. I don't care how many different poorly rendered breakfast meals you have, reading whatever poorly translated shit some patreon monkey cobbled together 10 times before my roommate lets me eat her out is boring as shit.

Incestual relationships are even more bizarre in terms of seduction. The ingredients required for that kind of sexual relationship to occur are so unique in the real world and almost are exclusively predatory or involving the mentally ill.

The bottom line is lewd games shouldn't be based in reality. They're fantasy worlds. I don't want to be the normal shmuck guy that works 50 hours a week and has to buy my girlfriend 10 teddy bears before she gives me a handjob. I want to be the ancient hero that goes on a quest to save the world where I stick my dick in anything remotely woman shaped along the way. In a lewd game it's expected you have sexual relationships with half a dozen women at any given moment; in reality that's called being a sex addict.

For example, my fetish is impregnation (Pretty obvious by any of my creations). My perfect game is one with main mechanics of you having shitloads of unprotected sex with countless beautiful women for the specific purpose of knocking them up. It's hot when they love me for it, it's hot when they're naive and don't understand what it means, and it's hot when they get pissed about it. Where as in reality that situation is nightmareish, and means hell on earth for the remainder of my short life.

Reality sucks for lewd.

Rant over.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Well, if initial attraction is strong and mutual, seduction is actually quick and easy. But that's not much of a game, either.

 

[Agent HK47]

For example, my fetish is impregnation (Pretty obvious by any of my creations). My perfect game is one with main mechanics of you having shitloads of unprotected sex with countless beautiful women for the specific purpose of knocking them up. It's hot when they love me for it, it's hot when they're naive and don't understand what it means, and it's hot when they get pissed about it. Where as in reality that situation is nightmareish, and means hell on earth for the remainder of my short life.

Reality sucks for lewd.

Rant over.

My brother, I have found you!

Seriously, words can't explain how badly I want more impregnation games to come, and hardly anything ever does. Guess I will stick with Haramase Simulator for a few more years.

 

[recreation]

Real incest is quite... difficult and usually not even close to what happens in games. I have a cousin who obviously had a crush on me when I was younger, it was so obvious that even my mom talked to me about it. She was really cute back then and tbh I was flustered. I was young and didn't know what to think of it and in the end nothing ever happend. I haven't seen her in years.

 

[215303j]

I think that the blockage is even bigger IRL than how it's portrayed in games / stories.
The way to get over this blockage is not seduction, I think.
Even though you are the perfect guy, you will still not be a normal, eligible partner for your mom/sister. Cousin is *maybe* slightly different, depending on the circumstances.

So there needs to be something stronger than seduction.

Most usually (unfortunately) some kind of power dynamic (aka abuse), father-daughter or mother-son.
Or a very long separation, where it doesn't feel like family anymore.
Or some significant trauma.
Or maybe the realisation of "why not".... I'm not sure how often that happens. But with the cultural approach to sex becoming more and more casual, the taboo also lessens.

 

[Zippity]

Those are my two biggest turn offs from a game. If it isn't an exceptional game with outstanding writing and characters I usually delete it as soon as I see one of those. They are usually an indication it's going to be nothing but shitty tropes with a creepy as fuck MC.

I think it's more like those particular story/game functions just tend to be over used, and because of this, it then becomes a turn off, due to repetitive over use through out the genre... Of course there will always be certain things that repeat from story to story, game to game, but the whole peeping and sleep-groping (especially early on in character interaction with the protagonist) thing, is in A LOT of these VN/Games... Used in moderation, or just now and then, it isn't as bad, but when it becomes an overshadowing trend with a majority of the initial interactions for the protagonist, as he/she begins their quest to have their way with various characters (especially in the incest stories)… Then I find it a bit tedious and prefer skipping past those moments...

Zip

 

[Zippity]

Realistic seduction is so rare because it's so difficult to do and still make a game fun. In a lewd game sex needs to be the forefront of the game, because its the entire reason someone is playing the game. Almost nobody scans the latest update page looking for an epic to start reading, they're looking for a game that will get them off.

Typically (not always) sex is built up to after a long series of romantic interactions from a first meeting. In reality that's exciting to be exploring a relationship with someone, building up to holding hands, talking on the phone, snuggling at a movie, and then maybe some heavy petting all which builds up over time. But in a game it's boring as shit, and usually is produced as a "Have dinner and chat X number of times" followed by the ever so popular "Peep on her in the shower X times you fucking lowlife." segments. I don't care how many different poorly rendered breakfast meals you have, reading whatever poorly translated shit some patreon monkey cobbled together 10 times before my roommate lets me eat her out is boring as shit.

Incestual relationships are even more bizarre in terms of seduction. The ingredients required for that kind of sexual relationship to occur are so unique in the real world and almost are exclusively predatory or involving the mentally ill.

The bottom line is lewd games shouldn't be based in reality. They're fantasy worlds. I don't want to be the normal shmuck guy that works 50 hours a week and has to buy my girlfriend 10 teddy bears before she gives me a handjob. I want to be the ancient hero that goes on a quest to save the world where I stick my dick in anything remotely woman shaped along the way. In a lewd game it's expected you have sexual relationships with half a dozen women at any given moment; in reality that's called being a sex addict.

For example, my fetish is impregnation (Pretty obvious by any of my creations). My perfect game is one with main mechanics of you having shitloads of unprotected sex with countless beautiful women for the specific purpose of knocking them up. It's hot when they love me for it, it's hot when they're naive and don't understand what it means, and it's hot when they get pissed about it. Where as in reality that situation is nightmareish, and means hell on earth for the remainder of my short life.

Reality sucks for lewd.

Rant over.

Romance/Seduction works well in erotic story telling, because it feels more real and/or more attached to what most folks want in a relationship leading up to and beyond sex... Sure, this whole genre, just like with decades of romance/sex novels, the end result is something sexual... But not all folks want just a rush into the sex, slam-bam-thankyou-ma'am... The lead up to the sexual encounter can make the emotion and feeling of the moment that more intense, if done in the right way...

Like for me, if I wanted to get my jollies in the next 5 minutes, I'm not gonna spend 15 minutes downloading a visual novel and/or game, spend several minutes getting into the flow of the story/game mechanics, hoping I'll suddenly be presented with a moment hot enough to help me get off... I'm just gonna google some short porn video, watch it till I'm done, and move on...

For an erotic visual novel/game, I want to enjoy the story, enjoy the sequence of events, perhaps become emotionally involved a little bit, and take my time having fun before necessarily getting my jollies right off the git-go... Porn vids already have the market cornered when it comes to quick thrills... I want something a bit more substantial out of my erotic games and/or visual novels...

Zip

 

[megaplayboy10k]

There are multiple "roadblocks" to, say, seducing your mom under dad's nose:
1. Fidelity to father
2. Authority position of mother(fear of abusing authority)
3. Age difference(much younger than mother, often even underage)
4. Standard social/familial/cultural incest taboo
5. Fear of discovery/consequences of incest

Before these even come into play, two major ones:
6. Lack of mutual sexual attraction
7. Insufficient "horniness"(to overcome her feelings about 1-5)

There are ways of finessing/overcoming these barriers in-game--dad is dead/missing/gone/the fire has died out; the son has recently begun to take on more authority around the house; son does things to display maturity and "manhood"; son comes up pleasant/romantic-sounding bullshit rationalization spiel when mom brings up the "but it's wrong" objection; son spies mom in shower/mom sees son in the shower or sees him naked/shirtless and notices he looks a lot like his father did(back when dad was young and hot); mom is sexually frustrated and/or son has done subtle little stuff to build up her desire level.

Fear of discovery mainly relates to securing "private time" and to not doing things to arouse suspicion(at least, not until you've finished your master plan to turn the whole family/neighborhood/gameworld female population into your GIANT PERSONAL HAREM OF FANATICALLY DEVOTED SEX SLAVES.

 

[echilog]

It is porn my dude. Half the games here just use the incest part to make people interested.

Ofc there are a few well written ones, but all in all this is just another excuse to put more porn on the internet. (not that I mind)

 

[megaplayboy10k]

It is porn my dude. Half the games here just use the incest part to make people interested.

Ofc there are a few well written ones, but all in all this is just another excuse to put more porn on the internet. (not that I mind)

right, but sometimes folks want a little verisimilitude or better writing/game play to make things hotter. If I watch a porn scene and I can see the boom mic and the reflection of the film crew in the bedroom closet mirror it might put me off a bit...

 

[J0K3RXXX]

I agree enough with the statements made by megaplayboy10k. However, if some dev wants to create a game with incest content realistically, they will be forced to play themes that many might not want to address (abuse, mental disorder, addiction, broken family, violence, rape, murder, problems in childhood, etc), limiting themselves to the usual tricks of these games as mind-control, blackmail or superpowers. And without forgetting one detail: if you want to approach realistically, there can only be one or two romantic relationships at the same time (harems are a thing of the past, except for Muslim countries that allow polygamy; and the incestuous harems only occurred in the royalty of Ancient Egypt). And unless the story is powerful enough, that will not interest many players of adult games, because we prefer mostly harems endings.

However, it could be feasible to maintain loyal to the potential public although the seduction mechanics was slow through wet dreams were added in the meantime, taking into account that dreams could not have negative consequences for the future relationship although could condition certain emphasis on certain types of advances in it. That yes, it would help that those wet dreams had different scenarios (shower, MC's bedroom, Mom/Sis' bedroom, beach, kitchen, cinema, family car, etc) and actions.

In my opinion, the two games that now occur to me as a possible basis for a future game of that kind would be Dual Family (the parents are in the process of divorce, Father is workaholic, Mother is an alcoholic, Son is an irascible rebel, Daughter who only has eyes for her dad, a dialogue that shows internal tensions about those desires) and Taboo Request (a very short Son/Mom game that could have had great potential if it had not ended so soon; for example...).