Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[Jynx_lucky_j]

I haven't played SoC in forever/latest updates, is Alexia fucking Andras first time no longer optional or something?

It is still optional. The two biggest differences are 1) before Alexia automatically fell for Andras's nice guy act and started to grow close to him, now you can choose whether she falls for the act and/or becomes interested in him sexually. 2) whereas before Rowan could tell Alexia that she needed to have sex with Andras for their safety, now if you chose for Alexia to be interested in him she can choose whether or not to have sex with Andras after she has all the facts. Essentially the way it plays out is She learns Andras was lying to her when Rowan sneaks out to meet her, then when Andras shows up she confronts him. He admits it and teases her a bit for being thirsty for him. She tries to slap him, he catches her hand. Then you have two options, "Slap him" with your other hand in which case he laughs off the blow and leaves, or "Kiss him," which leads to the aforementioned hate fuck and instant regret when it is over.

It give more agency to Alexia, making her the one to choose whether or not to have sex, and it gives more agency to the player to decide how she should respond to her situation.

 

[perles75]

I honestly can't conceptualize Andras actually being able to dick Rowan well enough to NTR him. Her personality just seems too toxic for the required emotional attachment and I can't imagine Rowan would ever actually become so debased as to prefer Andras over his own wife. But then again I'm not the one writing it so it's not my job to come up with it.

It's actually not that difficult to imagine... (at least, not more than a NTR between Andras and Alexia, who starts the game as faithful and uncorrupted as Rowan -toxicity is also a valid argument for her)

A NTR path Rowan/Alexia sounds more plausible because either 1) she's a woman (and I don't think that argument stands because Rowan can easily be played as gay/closeted or bi), and 2) she's more cunning than Andras, who's more driven to a violent approach to domination.

Concerning this second point, I can easily see a rather submissive Rowan being drawn to Andras (I actually made a run like that and it fits very well). On the opposite spectrum, possibly a Rowan with tendency to violence himself, or high corruption, that wants to tame the beast or have fun with someone akin to him.

 

[Kotobiki]

Ah I see, Oriandu, Jynx_lucky_j
This honestly seems a better route since game p much constantly lampshades Alexia and Rowan falling to temptation being due to their own locked up inner desires more than anything, so giving more agency to them into walking into the corruption path makes a good deal of sense.

 

[Oriandu]

It's actually not that difficult to imagine... (at least, not more than a NTR between Andras and Alexia, who starts the game as faithful and uncorrupted as Rowan -toxicity is also a valid argument for her)

A NTR path Rowan/Alexia sounds more plausible because either 1) she's a woman (and I don't think that argument stands because Rowan can easily be played as gay/closeted or bi), and 2) she's more cunning than Andras, who's more driven to a violent approach to domination.

Concerning this second point, I can easily see a rather submissive Rowan being drawn to Andras (I actually made a run like that and it fits very well). On the opposite spectrum, possibly a Rowan with tendency to violence himself, or high corruption, that wants to tame the beast or have fun with someone akin to him.

There is no route for Rowan that feels realistically submissive. There's really only three options: defiant, defensive, and resigned. A resigned Rowan is still presented as too smart and too self aware to fall for Andras. Rowan is not a repressed housewife, he's an accomplished soldier, a skilled warrior, and a talented strategist. The game more or less tells us that Rowan was chosen because in damn near any other situation he'd be a Gary Stu, he'd be too perfect. NTR isn't just cheating, and at no point does Rowan ever seem like he's weak willed enough to lose out to Andras in the way that would be required for their relationship to be NTR.

Alexia's NTR storyline feels more realistic because of her situation, it has nothing to do with her sex or gender. We're given repeated hints that she wanted more out of life than simply to be a housewife even if she loves Rowan with all her heart, and her situation in the castle is far more contained than Rowan's is. Rowan has the option to go out into the land and work out his frustrations, to complete goals, missions, and so on. Rowan has a measure of freedom that Alexia does not because she's the one with the metaphorical gun to the back of her head. In every situation we find Rowan in he's rolling with the punches in some way, whereas if Alexia wants to experience any freedom at all she has to do it with a chaperone of some kind. Offering a chance to leave the castle is one of the ways that both Andras and Jezera first try to establish a method of control over Alexia, she's submissive by default in any interaction that involves either of the twins. Rowan is not submissive by default and even when he has no choice but to submit he's usually presented in a way that still gives him agency and effectiveness. It's that agency that makes him difficult to view as someone who would fall for any sort of NTR as Rowan always has some kind of forward momentum or escape route.

 

[fihesog318]

I think the AndrasxRowan NTR makes more sense as an extension of the AlexiaxAndras NTR where Rowan is into Andras stealing his wife away from him while also wanting to be fucked by Andras. I can't see Andras choosing Rowan over Alexia, or him choosing Rowan over Alexia and Rowan.

 

[RedPillBlues]

Will come back to this game when you can finally kill Andras (preferably in an excruciating manner) and his slut sister.

Im not sure you'll live to see that day

 

[Nazgul115]

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Surprised this isn't implemented site wide

I have never seen that, so funny.

 

[Oriandu]

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Surprised this isn't implemented site wide

Honestly it really should be a blanket rule. Far too many discussions devolve into a shouting match between people for and against NTR. It's almost as bad as the "NERRR MILKING COW NERRR!!!" arguments that overtake the topics for games like Summertime Saga on a semi regular basis. Thankfully the discussions in this topic tend to veer more towards actual discussions instead of just two sides frothing at each other.

 

[Gundamu0079]

Part of what makes NTR work is a certain level of animosity between the people involved that eventually breaks down into something else, but Andras is, well, he's a toxic piece of shit and Rowan is consistently portrayed as someone far too competent to fall for that shit. In general Rowan is not the type of fall victim to NTR. Cheating? Sure, but even though all NTR is cheating not all cheating is NTR. Even at his weakest moments Rowan is alert and aware of himself, it would have to be one hell of a fall from grace for him to submit to that BRD, or that TPV for that matter. I honestly don't think an NTR storyline makes any sort of logical sense for Rowan no matter who the partner is simply because it represents a level of weakness that Rowan has not shown at any point in the game so far. While I have absolutely no interest in the storyline or the scenes, because I'm just not into gay content, I am interested in seeing how it's done as I just don't view it as possible.

Again, though, it's a good thing I'm not writing it as if I was the one writing it then it would end with Rowan revealing he was lying the entire time as he decapitates Andras post coitus... and that wouldn't be NTR.

maybe they'll finally let rowan get the power and dominance over andras
then you can fully humilate and beat him up lol

when this game lets me be pregnant with Andreas' kids, I will be able to die happy

who do you want prego alexia or rowan lmao

 

[Zero1994]

It would be more fun to manipulate Andras with his ass so that he kills his sister en route submissive

Greetings

 

[Oriandu]

maybe they'll finally let rowan get the power and dominance over andras
then you can fully humilate and beat him up lol


who do you want prego alexia or rowan lmao

Andras could shatter every bone in Rowan's body with a single blow if he actually wanted to. We're roughly at the end of the first arc and for Rowan to actually pull off a win on a level like that would neuter Andras as a threat.

 

[Gundamu0079]

Andras could shatter every bone in Rowan's body with a single blow if he actually wanted to. We're roughly at the end of the first arc and for Rowan to actually pull off a win on a level like that would neuter Andras as a threat.

thats why i said maybe he gets some new powers or something...

 

[NewTricks]

Yeah, I don't think that Rowan can do much of anything to Andreas physically. Greyhide punched his face in and stomped him flat as a waffle and he basically just stuck his thumb in his mouth and blew himself back up like a loony toons character. If he is going to handle Andras it isn't going to be in a fistfight. Or a swordfight. Or any kind of fight.

 

[Skantarios]

Or any kind of fight.

I think we have options:

A) A divine artifact that demons are weak against (I assume they exist in Prothea, we just haven't seen them yet). I can see securing or even creating this being a big plot point in the future

B) Andras recognized he could get killed in battle(and got hurt by a bow) so he can get ganged up on by an entire army loyal to Rowan. I don't care how fast he heals, if we keep chopping limbs off something's gotta give.

C) Drop a really big rock on him, I don't know.

Andras is prideful and easy to goad into a bad fight or at least into staying in a battle that is turning against him. I honestly think Jezera is more dangerous. The moment she thinks things aren't going her way she is gonna teleport away with some BS magic artifact and will be trouble down the line. She needs to be caught completely by surprise which is of course hard as hell considering her proclivities.

 

[DarkDank]

I think we have options:

A) A divine artifact that demons are weak against (I assume they exist in Prothea, we just haven't seen them yet). I can see securing or even creating this being a big plot point in the future

B) Andras recognized he could get killed in battle(and got hurt by a bow) so he can get ganged up on by an entire army loyal to Rowan. I don't care how fast he heals, if we keep chopping limbs off something's gotta give.

C) Drop a really big rock on him, I don't know.

Andras is prideful and easy to goad into a bad fight or at least into staying in a battle that is turning against him. I honestly think Jezera is more dangerous. The moment she thinks things aren't going her way she is gonna teleport away with some BS magic artifact and will be trouble down the line. She needs to be caught completely by surprise which is of course hard as hell considering her proclivities.

I mean you're right.
But also, rule number #1.
Porn game.
Jezera is hot. There will be some McGuffin or technique Rowan will get to neutralize her but keep her around as a fuckpet. Or maybe turn her "good" or something.
Just something to neutralize her as a threat but keep her juicy purple ass around.
I'm also sure it will be written more eloquently and with more build up, but there will be a way to deal with her and fuck her.

Gay side, I'm sure there will be way to do that to Andras too and keep him around as a bottom for role reversal.
But considering that the majority of users tend to be straight (I'm imagine) there will probably be some way to yeah, goad him into a losing battle that takes his life.
Helyana's Bow hurt him. Chop off his head, that's all it takes.
Or chop it off then burn it or something.

 

[Kotobiki]

The discussions in this topic can be so fun to read lol

 

[Skantarios]

I mean you're right.
But also, rule number #1.
Porn game.

I mean this is supposed to be a game about playing a good guy getting corrupted (or not) into a bad guy so I can totally see one of the endings being Rowan the now super evil ommnisexual fuck god enslaving/mindbreaking the twins to keep them in his ever expanding harem of men, women and everything in between. We still have 2 games to go right? Plenty of time for a powerup or learning bullshit-no-jutsu.

Just trying to figure out what our current Rowan could do against Andras physically (assuming the magical restrictions were removed) since it was posited Rowan couldn't win in a fight. I think he can since the twins don't strike me as that untouchable if you plan things out better than 1v1'ng them in their own castle. Totally useless exercise of course. If Rowan got the chance to kill them now, we would miss out on the planned sequels. But it's my day off, the house is empty, chores are done and I'm bored.

But considering that the majority of users tend to be straight (I'm imagine) there will probably be some way to yeah, goad him into a losing battle that takes his life.

I'm as straight as an arrow and I would make him my harem bitch just to see the look on his face tbh. I don't need to fap to it to enjoy it.

 

[DarkDank]

I mean this is supposed to be a game about playing a good guy getting corrupted (or not) into a bad guy so I can totally see one of the endings being Rowan the now super evil ommnisexual fuck god enslaving/mindbreaking the twins to keep them in his ever expanding harem of men, women and everything in between. We still have 2 games to go right? Plenty of time for a powerup or learning bullshit-no-jutsu.

Just trying to figure out what our current Rowan could do against Andras physically (assuming the magical restrictions were removed) since it was posited Rowan couldn't win in a fight. I think he can since the twins don't strike me as that untouchable if you plan things out better than 1v1'ng them in their own castle. Totally useless exercise of course. If Rowan got the chance to kill them now, we would miss out on the planned sequels. But it's my day off, the house is empty, chores are done and I'm bored.



I'm as straight as an arrow and I would make him my harem bitch just to see the look on his face tbh. I don't need to fap to it to enjoy it.

Given how hyper-sexual the twins are, making them bang each other/the wulump would be a good way to break them, that I don't think will happen because Patreon. Could see that though as a way to break their will completely once you've declawed them so to speak.
Curious though if the devs are against the twins having sexual contact/being involved in a sexual scene together (but not necessarily with each other) strictly because Patreon which is a monetization issue, or if they're grossed out by it.
But I mean its demons, I doubt they'd have the same taboo hangups that humans have.

 

[Rivina]

Shrink potion.

Jezera: Mmmm... Well, Rowan, that was fun. I suppooooooose we should get some work done. Where is that irritating brother of mine?
A series of odd squeaking noises come from Jezera's vagina.
Jezera and Rowan: ?!!
A tiny Andras, covered in Rowan's cum, climbs out of Jezera's vagina looking furious.
Andras, squeaky: I don't know who did this to me, but they will die.

 

[honeypenguin]

Is the update out yet?