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[NewTricks]

Ya think Rowan will find a way to give Shaya her old face back?

Like Princess Vespa?

 

[monk_56]

Ya think Rowan will find a way to give Shaya her old face back?

Wondered that myself. It would be deeply symbolic as a tone shift on the Shaya route.

Prior to encountering the chaos priest character post Rastdel I would have said it might organically happen over time if she started strongly believing her new look wasn't the real her- and accepting her old look as Rowan encouraged her to accept herself for herself. Most of the plots concerning form changing and chaos magic require the person changed to deeply believe their body should be a certain way it isn't- and become undone quite quickly after the magic was no longer being applied.

 

[NewTricks]

I've a joke to say but I'm not sure how easy it is to get banned here

I think that most Mel Brooks jokes will get you banned, so resist the temptation at all costs.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

well hopefully during one of the paths i hope you can take over their kingdom by killing that asshole brother and by either enslaving the sister or by seducing her

While I would be surprised if that was an option by the end of the game, but I think it would lead to a "bad end." Jezera is clever and savvy enough to play along like a she's a good pet as long as you have the advantage, but she would turn the table at the first opportunity. Rowan would have to remain hyper vigilant and always be monitoring her for as long as he kept her around.

Ya think Rowan will find a way to give Shaya her old face back?

Maybe near the end of the story, but certainly not before she is truly ready to turn on Jezera. Changing her face would be a clear sign that she is no longer fully under Jezera's sway and alert Jezera that there is something going on. Funny enough I suspect Shaya would be more accepting of the transformation if Jezera acknowledged that Shaya made a big sacrifice for her and didn't just treat her as a tool/toy.

Wondered that myself. It would be deeply symbolic as a tone shift on the Shaya route.

Prior to encountering the chaos priest character post Rastdel I would have said it might organically happen over time if she started strongly believing her new look wasn't the real her- and accepting her old look as Rowan encouraged her to accept herself for herself. Most of the plots concerning form changing and chaos magic require the person changed to deeply believe their body should be a certain way it isn't- and become undone quite quickly after the magic was no longer being applied.

It is worth mentioning that Nasim mentions that the traditional manner of making permanent trasmutations is by investing a great deal of magic to create a "seed of chaos" (oh hello title, what are you doing here?) inside the subject that continually fuels the magic of the transmutation. This is likely what happened in Shaya's magic pool. Nasims breakthrough field of study of altering the subjects mental image of themselves as a alternate method of making the changes permanent is still far from perfected as we can see from the his test subject in the dungeons.

The chaos priest's magic we don't know enough about to draw any conclusions. However I would suspect that it isn't as limited as it may initially seem. I suspect there was at very least some prep work involved in what he does do Marianne. Considering that if Delane is the victim instead he doesn't just cast a different transmutation spell, but uses some kind of artifact instead, suggests to me that he can't just change whoever he wants, however he wants, whenever he wants.

 

[perles75]

well hopefully during one of the paths i hope you can take over their kingdom by killing that asshole brother and by either enslaving the sister or by seducing her

the sentence could work similarly well by inverting the words 'brother' and 'sister' )

 

[Kotobiki]

/Waiting on more AlexiAndras

 

[monk_56]

While I would be surprised if that was an option by the end of the game, but I think it would lead to a "bad end." Jezera is clever and savvy enough to play along like a she's a good pet as long as you have the advantage, but she would turn the table at the first opportunity. Rowan would have to remain hyper vigilant and always be monitoring her for as long as he kept her around.


Maybe near the end of the story, but certainly not before she is truly ready to turn on Jezera. Changing her face would be a clear sign that she is no longer fully under Jezera's sway and alert Jezera that there is something going on. Funny enough I suspect Shaya would be more accepting of the transformation if Jezera acknowledged that Shaya made a big sacrifice for her and didn't just treat her as a tool/toy.


It is worth mentioning that Nasim mentions that the traditional manner of making permanent trasmutations is by investing a great deal of magic to create a "seed of chaos" (oh hello title, what are you doing here?) inside the subject that continually fuels the magic of the transmutation. This is likely what happened in Shaya's magic pool. Nasims breakthrough field of study of altering the subjects mental image of themselves as a alternate method of making the changes permanent is still far from perfected as we can see from the his test subject in the dungeons.

The chaos priest's magic we don't know enough about to draw any conclusions. However I would suspect that it isn't as limited as it may initially seem. I suspect there was at very least some prep work involved in what he does do Marianne. Considering that if Delane is the victim instead he doesn't just cast a different transmutation spell, but uses some kind of artifact instead, suggests to me that he can't just change whoever he wants, however he wants, whenever he wants.

You make some good points about the meta-magic. There is just an incredible amount to speculate concerning the subject. I wonder, which plot arc will end up answering some of these major questions first. I'm betting on the post Rastdel epilogue resolutions- guess we will find out.

 

[perles75]

speaking of the roadmap, the devs just published an updated one...
(basically they're working on the beginning of the Goblin story arc, finishing the full Liurial arc, the progression of X'zaratl's, and in planning there are Nasim, the NTR paths for Rowan for Andras/Jezera and the continuation of the various Alexia paths)

 

[Fleep]

Oh damn, I was hoping for the Fae Story Arc. I really don't find goblins attractive at all, and we've just had Cla'min story... But well, I guess I'll have to wait.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

I've always found it odd that we got the Orcaid camp before the goblins. I just seems odd considering that the twins specifically tell you to go an recruit the goblins in the east. Then instead of doing that you have to go in a totally different direction and recruit orcs instead.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Oh damn, I was hoping for the Fae Story Arc. I really don't find goblins attractive at all, and we've just had Cla'min story... But well, I guess I'll have to wait.

Fae writer is Hooky and he's not only Goblins whatsoever. Extremely minor contributions because he's more focused on his projects.

Right now that project is the Intro Rework. But, Fae is back on the discussion block, and while I can't promise a time table, I can say that it will become his top priority after the Intro rework is completed (which we're aiming for this month).

Goblins is starting because Exagie, who was on Draith, is freed up.

I'm finishing Liurial right now. And moving on to finishing Jezera NTR and Helayna.

Rein is doing Nasim and X'z and moving on to Rowan x Jezera.

Arioch's only writing project is Andras NTR.

WQ is working primarily on map quests and events, but he might be shifted soon. Probably Indarah.

DM is mostly on support, planning, and editing.

 

[RedPillBlues]

speaking of the roadmap, the devs just published an updated one... View attachment 1705862
(basically they're working on the beginning of the Goblin story arc, finishing the full Liurial arc, the progression of X'zaratl's, and in planning there are Nasim, the NTR paths for Rowan for Andras/Jezera and the continuation of the various Alexia paths)

The fact that Andras's arc is not done despite the amount of content he has blow my mind. But hey you get to see where Arioch's passion is.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

The fact that Andras's arc is not done despite the amount of content he has blow my mind. But hey you get to see where Arioch's passion is.

While there is one new Andras NTR scene in this update appearently, focused on the background of Andras' slave girl, what they are actually refering to in that quote is NTR routes for each of the twins involving Rowan not Alexia.

For everyone here is the full text of the update:
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Hey everyone,

It's that time again already, and who can believe since the last time the world has gotten even crazier? It's like the 80s all over again, and the threat of nuclear armageddon hangs over us like the sword of Damocles; at this rate, I might be writing these from a bunker in the future. But as always, despite all the craziness, work on Seeds of Chaos continues with an eye to maintaining that punctuality you all know I love.

So, as you can see, we have a newly updated roadmap courtesy of Sommy (who has now finished reworking all the CGs except for a few in the prologue, that's mid 100s - the man is a machine). The main things you can see being worked on for the next release are Liurial's NPC arc (which will be wrapped up with one big finale event), as well as more X'zaratl content from Rein. We'll also have the introduction for the long-planned goblin recruitment arc (more on that later), as well as some additional map events from Wildquill. Also, something I've been keeping quiet in case I didn't have the chance to get it done, but I'm fairly certain I will now - there will also be a new event from me in the Andras NTR arc, where you'll all finally learn more about the mysterious Zahira.

As promised, here's a little more on the goblin arc, courtesy of our head writer (and his own biggest fan) Winter:
Winter here. Arioch let me do one of these to could announce the start of production for the Blackholt Goblin side-plot.
The Orciad was never meant as the only racial recruitment quest, but it's been on the backburner forever. Literally years. As we've started finishing Act 1 storylines, we finally have a chance to come back to it. We know goblins are popular, and it's important to get it right.
Sprites are already in the works, writing is starting this month, and more art will follow. The narrative design is the product of months of detailed collaboration by me, DM, and Rein. Meanwhile, Exagie (who's been killing it on Draith) is going to be in charge of the script.
But, you want to hear what the story itself will be about, right?
Rowan will go deep into the Blackholt Woods to bring its reclusive Goblin Tribes into the alliance. And for once, things will be going great. A new irredentist goblin prince has taken over and is eager for an alliance. What's more, our hero is hailed as a hero by the goblins. Rowan is even invited back to the upcoming royal wedding, meant to complete the goblin unification.
But, when dealing with goblins nothing is ever as easy as it looks. Guide Rowan through an adventure filled with assassination, schemes, and the goblin's strange brand of diplomacy. Along the way, you can choose to have him sleep with a number of goblins, including both the groom and the "blushing" bride
Players can expect the fun to start in our Patreon releases in March!
Hopefully, that gets you all excited for the new goblin arc. In terms of what is coming next, Winter will be finally moving on to Helayna after this release, and I believe Rein is on Nasim when X'zaratl is done. We are also in the planning stages to begin work on the Andras/Jezera NPC arcs for Rowan as well, so they will be making an appearance in the new future, as well as the continuation of Alexia's arcs for Rowan, Andras, and Jezera. Until then though, as mentioned last month the next release is scheduled for the 27th, and as usual, should be on time barring any major disaster.

 

[monk_56]

Fae writer is Hooky and he's not only Goblins whatsoever. Extremely minor contributions because he's more focused on his projects.

Right now that project is the Intro Rework. But, Fae is back on the discussion block, and while I can't promise a time table, I can say that it will become his top priority after the Intro rework is completed (which we're aiming for this month).

Goblins is starting because Exagie, who was on Draith, is freed up.

I'm finishing Liurial right now. And moving on to finishing Jezera NTR and Helayna.

Rein is doing Nasim and X'z and moving on to Rowan x Jezera.

Arioch's only writing project is Andras NTR.

WQ is working primarily on map quests and events, but he might be shifted soon. Probably Indarah.

DM is mostly on support, planning, and editing.

Moving WQ to writing an actual narrative chain would be better than one off events. The game is already sufficiently saturated with one off events. NPC arcs add more robust world-building by making the castle more alive / vibrant.

Unless of course WQ is writing more one off events for like Cla-mini or Koh or something- in which case I rescind my statement; as Indarah has nothing on those cuties .

 

[Carefree247]

Wondered that myself. It would be deeply symbolic as a tone shift on the Shaya route.

Prior to encountering the chaos priest character post Rastdel I would have said it might organically happen over time if she started strongly believing her new look wasn't the real her- and accepting her old look as Rowan encouraged her to accept herself for herself. Most of the plots concerning form changing and chaos magic require the person changed to deeply believe their body should be a certain way it isn't- and become undone quite quickly after the magic was no longer being applied.

I like her as she is physically, while I understand that this could be something to go towards I like to think her accepting her new looks and changing mentally and emotionally would be better suited as it'll be something akin to a scar one only she and Rowan are aware of but to the world she looks pristine. If you think about it this type of narrative is better as her previous action will have had more weight and be more memorable for her to overcome her insecurities and come to terms with her previous actions while doing what she can to change her metal and emotional self unlike the usual cliche thing where we use magic to reverse the act which caused problems.

Unless of course WQ is writing more one off events for like Cla-mini or Koh or something- in which case I rescind my statement; as Indarah has nothing on those cuties .

More Koh PLS she's too good to be left out and forgotten, and aren't the cla clan supposed to play roles in the goblin arc ?

Fae writer is Hooky and he's not only Goblins whatsoever. Extremely minor contributions because he's more focused on his projects.

Right now that project is the Intro Rework. But, Fae is back on the discussion block, and while I can't promise a time table, I can say that it will become his top priority after the Intro rework is completed (which we're aiming for this month).

Goblins is starting because Exagie, who was on Draith, is freed up.

I'm finishing Liurial right now. And moving on to finishing Jezera NTR and Helayna.

Rein is doing Nasim and X'z and moving on to Rowan x Jezera.

Can't wait for the Fae,Helyana and the factions as well, hope we can finally see the completion of Act 1 by December

 

[Nym85]

Would we be able to do both Orc and Goblin in the same playthrough?

 

[lamebrain]

Fingers crossed for more goblin x Alexia content! Wahoo!

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Moving WQ to writing an actual narrative chain would be better than one off events. The game is already sufficiently saturated with one off events. NPC arcs add more robust world-building by making the castle more alive / vibrant.

Unless of course WQ is writing more one off events for like Cla-mini or Koh or something- in which case I rescind my statement; as Indarah has nothing on those cuties .

WQ might be one of the new writers on the team. If that is the case I could see starting him off writing one-off scenes to get him used to the work flow and fitting into the overall feel of the game. This woud also make sense for putting him on Indarah who is one of the least pre-established characters so he doesn't have to worry as much about matching the previous output of another writer.

 

[Oriandu]

On the one hand new short stack content.

On the other hand no new Cla-Min content.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

I'll be particularly interested to see how having a goblin army changes the Rastedel ending. We don't know much about the wild goblin tribes, but goblins just don't seem as physically aggressive and intimidating as orcs. So I could potentially see the city leadership being less quick to surrender. But I could also see the actual occupation being less overtly violent as well. But I imagine the goblins will still be bad for the city in their own way.