Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[Lunix00]

You don't have to, it is another choice when the time comes. You can either allow whichever person(s) to explore their feelings, or you can shut it down. It's the player's choice

In this specific scene, if you select with Alexia that you liked the minotaur, Rowan automatically agrees. I know that it is the player who decides, but the grace of having multiple protagonists is being able to make decisions from different perspectives. I mean, instead of happily accepting that his wife is fucking someone else, he might as well get furious and do something about it, at least realize that his wife is no longer the same lady he once loved. To me Rowan's response should be a player choice and not automatically defined by what you do with Alexia.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Mostly avoiding the entire pit of worms. But, small point.

The NTR is not intigral to the story or needed for it to work. Seeds of Chaos is not at it's core an NTR story. It is instead a Corruption story wherein a prominent NTR sub-plot is one of the major potential mechanisms for that corruption. If the route is not followed, the story is entirely workable from some of the other mechanisms for corruption in the story, of which there are quite a few.

This is not to say that the NTR is bad, small, or non-impactful. It is simply not nessacery in a naratological sense.

 

[tek65432]

Checked out the patreon and liked the design of the new goblin character. With the new section focusing on goblins, what are the chances of getting a goblin facesitting scene?

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

Just so you know, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on this matter. Everyone clearly feels fairly strongly about their stance and it is rare for an internet debate to change anyone's mind. This is just to discuss my thoughts on the matter and to offer a different viewpoint for anyone that may be on the fence.

First of all, I simply cannot agree that having passing sexual thoughts and occasionally feeling tempted amounts to NTR. If that was the case, then nearly everyone in a relationship is NTRing their significant other on a fairly regular basis. If I was out drinking with a female associate and thought to myself "damn she has some nice tits," and then immediately followed it up with "What hell am I thinking? I'm a happily married and don't need to let my mind wander down that path," no one in their right mind would accuse me of cheating.

My biggest problem with this is when there are scenes like "the_full_package” event in which no matter the corruption or relationship points that you have with Rowan while Alexia is riding the dildo she's fantasizing about this mystery man that she's been having dreams about in which she's having rough sex. I mean for someone who isn't a big fan of NTR a scene like that would be very off-putting. Especially for those playing a pure Alexia and having a good relationship between her and Rowan.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

That has nothing to do with sexual preferences which is what we were talking about. In example I can recall a line from Alexia stating that Rowan always seemed bi to her, referring to her perception of him before they even met the twins.

Yea, but that line is doesn't really correlate to how the player is playing the game. You could play Rowan as straight as you'd like or you could have him be a closeted gay man who now only has sex with men. Pretty sure you can only get that line if Rowan has been having sex with men though I can't remember. Either way it's not like that statement would be true 100% of the time

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

Both of your stances have logic to an extent. People have double standards, they do not like seeing MC getting cucked usually because people project into them... which imo is weird because most fiction protagonist are irrelatistic af or at the very least outliers for real life standards, but to each their own.

And just feel the need to point out, Alexia wonders about shiz even without being spiked (dunno if thats the case still, but def was the case in older build I played). But that def isnt NTR by itself and is a pretty weird complaint in a H game with a dark atmosphere, dunno why people would expect some irrealistic waifu incapable of any impure thought in a H game, specially one that sells itself the way SoC does.

I mean if you're going to give the player the option to play a certain way, in this case Pure Rowan Pure Alexia then it would make sense to keep that option consistent throughout the game. If that's the way you'd like to play the game I think it's pretty fair for someone to complain about choices and thoughts that they don't get a say in

 

[Rein]

Checked out the patreon and liked the design of the new goblin character. With the new section focusing on goblins, what are the chances of getting a goblin facesitting scene?

They've just increased.

 

[MadagascanVanilla]

Any news on the scene replay mod? Or can we assume it's not getting an update?

 

[Kotobiki]

Yea, but that line is doesn't really correlate to how the player is playing the game. You could play Rowan as straight as you'd like or you could have him be a closeted gay man who now only has sex with men. Pretty sure you can only get that line if Rowan has been having sex with men though I can't remember. Either way it's not like that statement would be true 100% of the time

How a player plays the game also does not change lore however, if you dont get a line about previous dark lord methods being faulty due to Y and Z due to you choosing X, does not mean X was not present. Or a better example might be how if Alexia does not translate the book does not mean the contents of it do not exist.
What I pointed out is that there are implications the potential for these deviancies of the characters was there, its pointed out multiple times. Whether we act on them or not is a whole other prerogative.

 

[Oriandu]

They've just increased.

Considering just how stacked all three of the female goblins we've seen more than a glimpse of have been, I'm honestly surprised that Cla-Min didn't have face sitting as part of her repertoire of scenes already.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

How a player plays the game also does not change lore however, if you dont get a line about previous dark lord methods being faulty due to Y and Z due to you choosing X, does not mean X was not present. Or a better example might be how if Alexia does not translate the book does not mean the contents of it do not exist.
What I pointed out is that there are implications the potential for these deviancies of the characters was there, its pointed out multiple times. Whether we act on them or not is a whole other prerogative.

Yes but your book example I would say is an entirely different thing, there is no way for the contents of the books to change whether or not you have opened it. However that does not apply to the choices of the characters, by you having control over the choices that Alexia and Rowan make you have the ability to mold them any which way. I would say that in these cases X is not present as a result of your actions, where as the contents of the book are static your decisions aren't. If you're playing as a straight Rowan then the potential for him to become gay wouldn't be there because of your actions, in which case he couldn't ever be considered as bisexual. Sure the option is there but if you never take it then how could that statement ever be considered as fact that would be in lore?

I apologize if my point isn't cohesive, wouldn't really call myself the greatest debator lmao

 

[T51bwinterized]

Yes but your book example I would say is an entirely different thing, there is no way for the contents of the books to change whether or not you have opened it. However that does not apply to the choices of the characters, by you having control over the choices that Alexia and Rowan make you have the ability to mold them any which way. I would say that in these cases X is not present as a result of your actions, where as the contents of the book are static your decisions aren't. If you're playing as a straight Rowan then the potential for him to become gay wouldn't be there because of your actions, in which case he couldn't ever be considered as bisexual. Sure the option is there but if you never take it then how could that statement ever be considered as fact that would be in lore?

I apologize if my point isn't cohesive, wouldn't really call myself the greatest debator lmao

The backstory itself isn't very muteable. But, the psychology of the Rowan and Alexia are variable based on choices, and this does extend backwards. In practice, this would produce some small variances in their past relationship. For example, a more MxM inclined Rowan may have had a slightly rockier relationship with Alexia in the past. But, for the most part the past in the same.

I will note that while a Rowan who is 100% homosexual and has no attraction whatsoever to women doesn't really work. But, a Rowan who is much more attracted to men but is repressed is possible. He can be a 5 on the Kinsey Scale, but he can't be a six.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

The backstory itself isn't very muteable. But, the psychology of the Rowan and Alexia are variable based on choices, and this does extend backwards. In practice, this would produce some small variances in their past relationship. For example, a more MxM inclined Rowan may have had a slightly rockier relationship with Alexia in the past. But, for the most part the past in the same.

I will note that while a Rowan who is 100% homosexual and has no attraction whatsoever to women doesn't really work. But, a Rowan who is much more attracted to men but is repressed is possible. He can be a 5 on the Kinsey Scale, but he can't be a six.

Alright so give it to me straight if possible, Alexia has always seen Rowan as bisexual? I thought that that scene in which she has those thoughts would only occur when the player has been involved with men (or is it just like the other gossip stuff fromt the maid job). I just didn't think it would make much sense for her to think Rowan is bi if he's never shown nor acted on tendencies like that before.

 

[evyleu]

Mostly avoiding the entire pit of worms. But, small point.

The NTR is not intigral to the story or needed for it to work. Seeds of Chaos is not at it's core an NTR story. It is instead a Corruption story wherein a prominent NTR sub-plot is one of the major potential mechanisms for that corruption. If the route is not followed, the story is entirely workable from some of the other mechanisms for corruption in the story, of which there are quite a few.

This is not to say that the NTR is bad, small, or non-impactful. It is simply not nessacery in a naratological sense.

Hahahahaha

 

[T51bwinterized]

Alright so give it to me straight if possible, Alexia has always seen Rowan as bisexual? I thought that that scene in which she has those thoughts would only occur when the player has been involved with men (or is it just like the other gossip stuff fromt the maid job). I just didn't think it would make much sense for her to think Rowan is bi if he's never shown nor acted on tendencies like that before.

Rowan has never had sex with a man before the start of the story. But, what's variable is if he has shown some of the trademarks of attraction to men in his behaviour. So, in such a case, an Alexia might have noticed him glancing at men in odd ways or other smaller behavioural elements. She wouldn't have pieced it together, but she might have have had an intuition.

 

[Zero1994]

Rowan has never had sex with a man before the start of the story. But, what's variable is if he has shown some of the trademarks of attraction to men in his behaviour. So, in such a case, an Alexia might have noticed him glancing at men in odd ways or other smaller behavioural elements. She wouldn't have pieced it together, but she might have have had an intuition.

Shut up, you're ruining Rowan's 100% straight super macho fantasy of pussy buster, think a little bit about the poor ego of the good guys they are very, very sensitive, be good

Greetings


PS: /s

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

Rowan has never had sex with a man before the start of the story. But, what's variable is if he has shown some of the trademarks of attraction to men in his behaviour. So, in such a case, an Alexia might have noticed him glancing at men in odd ways or other smaller behavioural elements. She wouldn't have pieced it together, but she might have have had an intuition.

Alright well thanks for the response, in the grand scheme of things doesn't really matter either way. Was curious as to what it would be in terms of the lore

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

Shut up, you're ruining Rowan's 100% straight super macho fantasy of pussy buster, think a little bit about the poor ego of the good guys they are very, very sensitive, be good

Greetings


PS: /s

 

[Chalker]

Rowan has never had sex with a man before the start of the story. But, what's variable is if he has shown some of the trademarks of attraction to men in his behaviour. So, in such a case, an Alexia might have noticed him glancing at men in odd ways or other smaller behavioural elements. She wouldn't have pieced it together, but she might have have had an intuition.

 

[arpaschad]

So...I always put ''NTR mode'' just to see the extra scenes...

I don't care about fictional characters ''getting cucked''

am I evil?