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Hey, at least it's a fairly civil discussion this time. There hasn't even been any name calling. I don't see why it can't be a perfectly valid topic as long as everyone remain civil. But I won't press the issue either.Oh God this discussion here again?
Take it to PM before the mods decide to delete everything to clean the thread, again.
You don't have to, it is another choice when the time comes. You can either allow whichever person(s) to explore their feelings, or you can shut it down. It's the player's choiceNow, this is something I don't understand, or at least see simplistic. If Alexia does something wrong, and Rowan hasn't done anything wrong, why do you have to get into the sharing fetish? I think a logical answer would be that even if you've cheated on your partner, it doesn't necessarily mean you're okay with them sleeping with someone else. I believe it because life is like that.
Without going into the NTR debate any further, the player is just as much Alexia as they are Rowan. You see the game from both of their perspectives, you make choices for both of them at key moments, and they both spend a good amount of time thinking thoughts and taking actions that the player doesn't have any direct control over. Sure you send a bit more time in Rowan's perspective, but note nearly as much more as you might think. They are co-protagonist. And it's not just me saying this, it is the developers too, it is the reason why the game has the "female protagonist" tag.Except this isn't real life. In real life I wouldn't be forced to hear your thoughts about other peoples nice tits. You seem to ignore the fact that someone chooses to write, and thus draw attention to, these things. If my SO told me every time they found someone else attractive or constantly stared at other peoples dicks and tits I would find issue with that too but luckily I don't live in that world.
My argument about choices was that a scene going as far down that road before giving you an option implies what they want you to choose. Every scene/setting you bring up presupposes being okay with these fetishes. If I dislike NTR I don't want to read about my wife being spiked and almost getting cucked but choosing a different option so it only almost happened. I feel you either ignored or didn't understand most of what was said about the build up to these scenes and how they're littered with NTR tropes that don't suddenly become cool because the climax didn't happen. I went over how these scenes/settings you bring up are grade A NTR bait in the first place and I imagine they're probably very well written at that so it's all the more visceral to someone who dislikes it. I imagine you must not be used to avoiding NTR if you're not seeing that but literally everything you're describing is littered with red flags that pretty much never appear where NTR isn't.
Your perception of a double standard only holds because you ignore that people consider themselves as following Rowan's story which I think should be pretty obvious. Feel like I shouldn't have to point this out but the issue people have with NTR is being cucked. I play plenty of female pov/protagonist games that involve cheating/ntr with no issue as long as they don't harp on the SOs feelings. Same goes obviously for male protagonists. There's no issue as long my pov isn't getting cucked. If I go from playing Rowan to watching Alexia almost cheat on him then obviously that's an issue. Like I said before a lot of people seem to fixate on a strict definition of NTR that people don't agree on in the first place and doesn't encompass the spirit of people's issues. In your example Rowan doing it to Alexia is Netori (something most people don't mind/care for) rather than Netorare/netorase (what tons of people hate). Netori/cheating is much more well accepted fetish as evidenced by what you've mistaken as a double standard.
Feel like I'm not properly getting my points across judging by your response so I'll stop here unless you want to PM like someone suggested. Don't want to clutter up this thread anymore especially since I don't have any issue with this game or its devs. Literally just ended up here by chance while looking for malesub/pegging games and wanted to take a quick look to see if anything had changed about the toggle.
To me it's not that different from something like when Rowan thinks about how attractive Cliohna is, but to me she isn't all that (I know Cliohan fans, please don't hurt me). I don't feel particularly tempted by her, but the game is telling me that Rowan is temped by her, and then asks me for input about how I think he should respond. See, Rowan and Alexia are not generic blank slate characters, they have pre-established backgrounds and personality's. And those background and personalities inform most of their actions and thoughts. It's the same reason I don't get that upset when a character on TV cheats on their spouse, It's not my wife cheating, my wife is sitting at her computer next to mine playing her own porn games.
But I suppose that why I just can't see myself as these characters. I just don't have enough control over them to see them as an extension of myself. To me it's more like if I were friends with a writer, and periodically he gets stuck and would turn to me and say "I've got a couple ideas for the direction to take this scene with the minotaur, but I'm not sure which one to pick, what do you think?" Then I look over it and say, "Hmmm, I think she should ask to see his dick, and then immediately burst out laughing and tease him for whipping his dick out right there at the dinner table." Then he responds, "Ha, that's great! Then I'll have him get all embarrassed and self conscious and run out of the room" Then he gets back to writing and my contribution is done until he gets stuck again.
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