Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[Fenric Andrias]

Not sure how I feel about this game. On the one hand, I love that there are M/M scenes (Andras is super hot) but on the other I'm not into the whole bdsm thing and I find everything inbetween the scenes boring & tedious.

Would love to see a spinoff game about just Andras & Rowan

 

[TheSexinati]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Hey, what were you expecting to happen? This is F95zone, all we care about is the fucking.

In fact, I believe the lyrics of Korn's 'A.D.I.D.A.S' fits the site well.

 

[Rein]

Hey Rein and winter do you think Rowan will ever have X'Zaratl ride his cock? It seems to me that the succubus has been too focused on what she wants and Rowan should turn the tables. Maybe his wife can join in with her cock too? What makes a married couple closer than frotting inside a succubus's pussy together?

Hm, we have just been talking with winter about more Alexia futa scenes, so something of the kind might make itself into the next release.

reading the notes, this release seems sadly lacking in Alexia content

seems sadly lacking in Alexia content.

lacking in Alexia content.

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Is our guy on the inside asleep at the switch or something? We may need to send in more infiltrators. :FuckYea:

Ha ha, in update 0.2.37, the writers infiltrate you, comrades!

I find everything inbetween the scenes boring & tedious.

The gameplay part of SoC is being slowly worked on to make it as interesting as possible, but during the amount of work that it takes to redo some of the systems already in place, it will likely be a while before you guys see the results of it.

 

[TheMagister]

Homie. Did you just ask a dev for a leak of the release?

Hey, it might be worth a shot. Maybe we hit one of you guys in a moment of confusion and you actually share it.

 

[dancecommander12]

Hm, we have just been talking with winter about more Alexia futa scenes, so something of the kind might make itself into the next release.

Futa Alexia is one of my least favorite type of scenes. This game already has some nice futas, although I prefer them to have balls. Cock and no balls just looks weird to me, and where does the splooge come from? Anyway, I really don't see the point of Alexia growing a dick. I prefer her to be on the receiving end.

 

[Snugglepuff]

and where does the splooge come from?

Probably a magically created prostate gland, since that's what creates the fluid component of "splooge".
Apply some logic to your thought process of magically created penises!!!!!!XD

 

[Rein]

Futa Alexia is one of my least favorite type of scenes. This game already has some nice futas, although I prefer them to have balls. Cock and no balls just looks weird to me, and where does the splooge come from? Anyway, I really don't see the point of Alexia growing a dick. I prefer her to be on the receiving end.

 

[TheMagister]

I appreciate your contributions and futa-Alexia Rein!

I mean, I don't need it to be permanent but the occassional Alexia-dick is good!

 

[T51bwinterized]

Yeah. Not everyone is going to like futa transformation as a specific kink. But, that's kind of how we do SoC.

 

[baneini]

Is Futa a kink?
The only value it has is you don't have to see a guy in the sex scene. I don't understand why that would be valuable to people. Why is it better to have a woman with magic dick over a guy in a sex scene? Homophobia and insecurity? If not then it's just going to make the scene less impactful because theres no established female x male mental dynamics involved.

 

[iron_jack]

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Don't you flip your table at me young man.

...Upon re-reading the notes, I realize my brain translated "faithful Alexia" and "lesbian Alexia" as "no Alexia". My mistake.

What I meant to say was "MOAR UNFAITHFUL ALEXIA CHOKING DOWN DICKS PLS".

 

[Snugglepuff]

Is Futa a kink?

Summing an answer to all your post with one answer...
Yes, it is.

To further break it down, there are fans of it who don't like trans/shemale porn, but like futa. They also break down into those who like them with balls, and those without, and those who like both balls and vag.

In the same way that BDSM/lesbian/cuckolding/creampie/snow balling (sperm swapping)/incest and many, many other things are. Kinks, fetishes, niches of all types.

Some people don't mind some types/kinks/fetishes, whilst not being explicitly interested in them.

 

[cleanfeel]

This game is pretty interesting in that you have a legitimately good team working on something, and choose to diversify their kinks / genre / theme instead of focusing. Now, many Patreon games do this kind of deal to attract greater audiences via routes. However nobody does this kind of "spread" like this game. Also first time seeing gay being a theme, which is interesting, but not for me to jerk off to.

Clearly the dev team on this game has the expertise to code, draw, and write. Probably some of the best in the industry. However, spreading yourself too thin has the potential to alienate fan bases. For example, some people don't like NTR. They see NTR and they rage. You even had to put a feature on here to warn people off (lol). But what is to say that some fans don't like "gay" or "futa" just like NTR?

Here you run into a problem where you appease the NTR haters, but trigger all the Gay haters and Futa haters, etc. I strongly believe that the game would've been better off if you made it more siloed and keep the branching to 2-3 kinks / themes. But it seems like there's a lot more in the game and it kinda dilutes the experience. The end product COULD be great, but you're now creating 5 games instead of 1.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I'll start by saying I very much appreciate that you decided to communicate your point into a productive way, even if I do disagree with it. I much prefer this kind of dialogue.

I disagree with your point for the following reasons.

1. Even if the game had been entirely straight NTR we'd still get hate from people who dislike NTR. Same for any other combination.

2. The game's purpose is to be an erotic epic. Most games last lack SoC's scale. There is going to be many hundreds of fully realized scenes in the game. Not only are we going to blow past games with smaller content pools and this require more variety. But, the sheer breadth of sexual content expands the scale.

3. A game with a large content variety is a reflection of both the will of the creators and the varied tastes of the creative team. We LIKE making a game like this. The desires of fans matter, but so does the creative vision of the creators. It's a conversation.

4. There was demand for varied content. Once it existed people started getting annoyed. But if we stuck to one, we'd be narrowing our audiences. Serving a larger audience with more content is a legitimate choice over a smaller audience.

5. Finally I take issue with the idea that fetish diffirention makes something akin to numerous games. Seeds of Chaos has a unified thematic sense, has segments that tie in together, and a unified gameplay experience. We could have every fetish yet invented and two that only Alan Moore is into and we'd still be making one unified game, because a fetish alone does not make a game.

 

[TheSexinati]

Here you run into a problem where you appease the NTR haters, but trigger all the Gay haters and Futa haters, etc.

If people are opposed to seeing Draith x Rowan or Andras x Rowan or Rowan x Dwarf-dude on the grounds of 'Homosexuality', yet have absolutely no problem with seeing Jezera x Whore-lady... they will only earn my laughter.

After all, if you must hate 'Gays/Homosexuals', you should hate them equally. Otherwise, you are likely a hypocrite with double-standards.

In this way, I Ironically have more respect to proper 'Anti-homosexual' people, than I do for supposedly 'Anti-homosexual' people who see no problem with Lesbians/Lesbian-porn or letting 'Lesbians' slip off 'their radar'.

In which case, I don't really care if the Seeds of Chaos team manage to anger the 'Anti-homosexual' crowd, which as I speak probably won't raise questions/raise a hissy-fit towards lesbian characters being in the game, but will instead likely be fuming over 'Faggots are ruining mah game' et cetera, because I would then derive a sense of somewhat ironic humour out of the situation, and I thrive on humour.

I would also probably subsist myself on eating popcorn at that point whilst I am watching the debacle go down. I have had occasion to eat popcorn in this thread itself at some points, and I have also espoused poetry on a few occasions.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Basically my thoughts as well. Want to know what I never hear jack shit about? The F/F content. No one ever says that SoC is diluting its focus with F/F content. That we should cut it so that way we can hyper focus on 1 or 2 fetishes. One does have to wonder why making one M/M scene every two months is somehow a dilution of focus while one or two F/F scenes per period is fine and normal?

I've written some Jezera Alexia content. I'm introducing that new maid to the fold who is a self identified lesbian. In this release I wrote a segment where Alexia reads about the lesbian practices of the dark elves. Why no hate on it?

 

[Axelfire]

my only complaint is that there is not enough corruption content

 

[Hekzow]

1. Even if the game had been entirely straight NTR we'd still get hate from people who dislike NTR. Same for any other combination.

Well of course, NTR is a very divisive topic. There are few more divisive (i.e. guro and scat)

2. The game's purpose is to be an erotic epic. Most games last lack SoC's scale. There is going to be many hundreds of fully realized scenes in the game. Not only are we going to blow past games with smaller content pools and this require more variety. But, the sheer breadth of sexual content expands the scale.

This kind of worries me. As it is right now, going by the guide on the website, there are 75 scenes. Out of them, a solid third don't have cgs and I'd say half of them have only a chunk of cgs availiable. The game has been in development for around two years I think. You add about 4 each monthly update, with six cgs (each scene usually requiring multiple cgs).

If I understand it right, what we've seen so far is only a fifth of the game, as there will be new areas with roughly the same amount of content, and castle events will be added to as well with rivals and such. So, if you continue down this road, and aim for this amount of content, the game (presented as the "first scenario" on the patreon page) will take another eight years to finish. If by hundreds of scenes you mean 200 it will still take from 3 to 4 years to do with current workload.

While I understand that with the budget increasing you can increase the output, we are still very far away from the story's conclusion.

I also wouldn't say that even with this progression it would be the most content-rich game on the market, considering that Taimanin Asag Battle Arena is nearing at thousand scenes, around five of which are added each update.

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm ripping on you. I do consider SoC to be likely the best porn game on the western market and feel like the patreon has been really stable and transparent, but I can't help but fear that with all this desire to be the biggest and most widespread the game will sink under its own weight.

 

[TheSexinati]

I've written some Jezera Alexia content. I'm introducing that new maid to the fold who is a self identified lesbian. In this release I wrote a segment where Alexia reads about the lesbian practices of the dark elves. Why no hate on it?

People just simply love the pussy, I guess.

 

[Hekzow]

After all, if you must hate 'Gays/Homosexuals', you should hate them equally. Otherwise, you are likely a hypocrite with double-standards.

I doubt anyone is disliking these scenes from some sort of religious homophobic angle. It's pretty obvious why a heterosexual male, who I assume to be the main demographic for this game (If the devs prove me wrong I'll be pleasantly surprised) would prefer to see a scene with one character he finds sexuall attractive, two characters he finds sexually attractive than a scene that does absolutely nothing for him.

I do think that it's a bit silly to complain about gay content in SoC, considering it's been there since the very beginning.

However, I do think that people would be a lot more accepting of the scenes if the protagonist was the one in charge. As it is right now, Rowan is a passive participant in all scenes but two I believe.