Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.10] [Vénus Noire]

[Lucifer111]

Bruh moment

just wait like 15 more years...

 

[CoaxedIntoThis]

just wait like 15 more years...

I probably won't be playing video games in 5 years, 15 is a lifetime

 

[T51bwinterized]

Will the choices of this chapter be carried over to the next? Will the next chapter consider Alexia not banging either twins despite having done so?

That's the plan, yes. We're looking at the best ways to handle that, but a game so steeped in player choice would be ruined of you couldn't use your choices for game 2.

Thanks for the reply! That was the type of answer I was looking for.
Yeah I want a good relationship with Alexia but also let her have her fun also lol

Ohh if you want a relationship between the husband and wife, but also want to share her from time to time. The you can just Turn OFF the NTR. Because even when its off, this does not disable the 3some scenes (Husband x Wife x Someone else)

(Assign the wife to the library, no ntr events happen there. Every other place has ntr events)

Recently the devs reworked one of the characters. She had a wierd name, but she is like a succubuss that can grow a dick with magic. There are scenes with her. (not sure if the husband can fuck this succubuss without the dick)
I have not played this route, so I can not tell you if the wife shows disloyal attitude in these scenes.

The other one I know about is Greyhide. You can share your wife with him.
He seems like a bro, but I have not gone this route.
I can not tell if the wife shows disloyal attittude in these scenes.

ANd if Im not mistaken you can share the wife with the Female Demon twin. But from what I have read, it can lead to lesbian ntr. And also cheating. The female demon twin will tell the wife to fuck other dudes behind your back "so she can practise and become good in bed so she can please you better".
Think this route is more of a slut training for the wife, rather than sharing.

Personally I never go for this sharing/swinging routes in any games, because it just comes down to NTR in the end.
MC gets humilated, his love interest just comparing him to others and how much better they feel than him.
Love interest shows more attention to the other character, rather than her man in group sex.
The love is gone between the love interest and her man because she cant wait for another encounter.
The love interest becames a simple slut and loses interest in her man.
Thats how usually sharing/swinging goes in such games. The relationships always ends up broken or weakend.

Yes, X'z and Greyhide are meant as clearly earmarked examples of sharing/swinging that are non-destructive. This is meant in contrast to the twins who *are* destructive.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

If I don't remember wrong, Rowan joins the Twins for Alexia's sake. I mean, you're able to name your reason for him to do it, but ultimately it always has to do with keeping her safe. If their bond breaks, or worse... if Rowan learns about his wife sharing her bed with one of her captors, what will prevent him from leaving the castle and its inhabitants on their own? The girl obviously isn't in dire need of a savior, his attachment to her will be broken or severely damaged, and taking off the necklace would probably just take a powerful enough mage.

If he still is a hero at heart, a redemption arc by defecting to the forces of Order would be the next logical step. He's got the experience, the motivation, the whole intel. If he's not, scorn would make him a fearsome rival for all the same reasons.
So what on Earth are the Twins playing at by seducing Alexia? There are thousands of other women ready to be bedded who would not endanger their campaign. One-upping Rowan and showing him his place could be easily done by taking one (or all) of his secondary LIs from under his nose and making him watch but weakening his bond to his wife is weakening their leverage over him.
Not a clever move at all...

 

[amir1234]

sorry for asking change log hasn't been updated i mostly play this game for ntr so how much ntr content did this update add?(I'm mainly interested in anderas asking too see if i should wait for the next update)

 

[randomguy6516265165]

The game lets you turn off the NTR content at the start.
But turning it off will only disable the wife content with other characters. You as the MC can still fuck around with whoever you like. The wife will not touch, flirt and do anything with anyone.
So be careful, I personally play a loyal Husband and Wife playthrough. Feels right to me with the game's setting.

Anyway, I suggest you dont bother reading this thread. A lot of people here are vocal how they just want to see the wife fucking everyone and everything. They just want her to betray and cuck the husband every step of the way. Reducing her to a simple whore.

So when there is a new update just check the changelog in the 1st page. And if you like check the last few pages to see what the devs have to share news for upcoming updates, overhauls, bug fixes etc ...
The devs here are Rein and T51bwinterized (you can use the search function here to see their posts only)

I didnt know that with ntr off you can still fuck everything as the male MC

 

[randomguy6516265165]

Yes, X'z and Greyhide are meant as clearly earmarked examples of sharing/swinging that are non-destructive. This is meant in contrast to the twins who *are* destructive.

and like with everything else the player can choose to avoid it right? Im going to be selfish and admit that I wouldnt mind sharing scenes that are MFF but not MMF (Im not a futa fan either) I hope that I dont miss too much if I avoid them. Also SoC2 will be on steam too?

 

[T51bwinterized]

and like with everything else the player can choose to avoid it right? Im going to be selfish and admit that I wouldnt mind sharing scenes that are MFF but not MMF (Im not a futa fan either) I hope that I dont miss too much if I avoid them. Also SoC2 will be on steam too?

Yes. That's the intent.

 

[T51bwinterized]

If I don't remember wrong, Rowan joins the Twins for Alexia's sake. I mean, you're able to name your reason for him to do it, but ultimately it always has to do with keeping her safe. If their bond breaks, or worse... if Rowan learns about his wife sharing her bed with one of her captors, what will prevent him from leaving the castle and its inhabitants on their own? The girl obviously isn't in dire need of a savior, his attachment to her will be broken or severely damaged, and taking off the necklace he would probably just take a powerful enough mage.

If he still is a hero at heart, a redemption arc by defecting to the forces of Order would be the next logical step. He's got the experience, the motivation, the whole intel. If he's not, scorn would make him a fearsome rival for all the same reasons.
So what on Earth are the Twins playing at by seducing Alexia? There are thousands of other women ready to be bedded who would not endanger their campaign. One-upping Rowan and showing him his place could be easily done by taking one (or all) of his secondary LIs from under his nose and making him watch but weakening his bond to his wife is weakening their leverage over him.
Not a clever move at all...

We're going to go into it, but first the amulets are not going to be trivial to remove whatsoever. Jezera is somewhat more confident in them then is warranted, but not to an absolutely insane extent. Cliohna can't just break them with a snap.

Second, Alexia actually does have merits outside of her attachment to Rowan. This is more relevant to Jezera then Andras, whose general approach to the NTR is more strategic. Breaking his attachment to Alexia might be sub-optimal, but putting a loyal spy in Rowan's own bed isn't.

Third, on a level of psychology lots of Andras' motivations make sense. We don't have him bring up his father a lot, but he does have a strong psychological loading in that respect that shown at key moments in the game. Alexia is one of his father's killers wife, not some random person's wife.

Fourth, yeah there is an element of immaturity from the demon's perspective. But, like, that's not entirely a plot hole.

 

[Limited20]

and like with everything else the player can choose to avoid it right? Im going to be selfish and admit that I wouldnt mind sharing scenes that are MFF but not MMF (Im not a futa fan either) I hope that I dont miss too much if I avoid them. Also SoC2 will be on steam too?

Yup you can avoid MalexMalexFemale (Husband x Wife x Male).

Also there are MalexFemalexFemale (Husband x Wife x Female).
I think this was possible but I dont remember the female character's name tho.

(I do not know if the futa succubus X'z can be female only. Not sure if they made it possible in the rework)

But be careful, I think there was a female character that the MC wants to have a real relationship with and he tries to indroduce her to his wife ... but the wife rejects her and leaves the room and from then on starts to sleep in her own separate room.

 

[T51bwinterized]

sorry for asking change log hasn't been updated i mostly play this game for ntr so how much ntr content did this update add?(I'm mainly interested in anderas asking too see if i should wait for the next update)

We added some setup for future Andras NTR material and there are some elements to it in the new Alexia High Corruption Signpost. But, the bulk of that material is written by Arioch and he's deep in the 3.0 Trenches.

 

[Limited20]

Reviews and comments on here are misleading. NTR and cuckoldry is not avoidable. I tried posting a review about it and it was deleted despite blatant misinformation on the reviews. Hopefully this won't be deleted and will be ample warning for those like me who were mislead by the comments on here and by the reviews.

Not trying to bash the game, just trying to combat the misinformation. No issue with NTR lovers or Cucks, but I don't want people who aren't into those kinks to be mislead like I was.

Hey man, I hate that the comments here are all about just the wife getting fucked by others.... but they are just comments.

In the game, NTR, sharing, cheating, cucking, swinging etc.....
ITS ALL avoidable. It does not happen in the background. Its not just skiped with a black screen. Its also never implied

I know that the intro feels very ntr heavy due to the wife accepting the advances of the demon, but they dont do anything.
Plus the devs have said they will rework the intro eventually since they also know it feels horrible.

After the intro , you can disable the NTR. With NTR off, the wife is loyal. SHe does not flirt, touch or get close to anyone.

Give me an example of unavoidable ntr and sharing/cucking.
I have not played the recent updates, so maybe they added something there ?

Also turning NTR OFF, does not stop the husband to fuck others. It just stops the wife from fucking others.
But even with NTR OFF, this does not stop sharing scenes (Husband x Wife x Someone else)
But they can be avoided with dialog, just read carefully.

 

[randomguy6516265165]

Yup you can avoid MalexMalexFemale (Husband x Wife x Male).

Also there are MalexFemalexFemale (Husband x Wife x Female).
I think this was possible but I dont remember the female character's name tho.

(I do not know if the futa succubus X'z can be female only. Not sure if they made it possible in the rework)

But be careful, I think there was a female character that the MC wants to have a real relationship with and he tries to indroduce her to his wife ... but the wife rejects her and leaves the room and from then on starts to sleep in her own separate room.

A warning for that last thing would be pretty nice like a option that tells you where your choices might lead but thats just more work to the devs

 

[Trapitalism101]

Honestly, as good as all the porn is,the thing that really hooks me is the story and feelings the characters have. I legit care about these characters and what is happening to them. I like the castle inhabitants and their little stories, and I am amazed by the scope of emotion the devs gets in the sieges. I go fro elated the plan worked to legit horrified on a visceral level at the actions of the twins. Nice job guys!

 

[Mount Parnassus]

Is anyone else experiencing problems with old saves? In many of them I get this error when trying to leave the exploration map. Am I doing something wrong or is this a known bug?

 

[Radicallity]

What exactly are the changes in 2.65 anyway? Besides the aforementioned prologue rewrite. Im asking because I'd rather not spend hours sifting through stuff I've already done just to fine a new art piece or look for new events that I miss because I don't have the right specs for them.

 

[Limited20]

A warning for that last thing would be pretty nice like a option that tells you where your choices might lead but thats just more work to the devs

Ok went on and search some info.

"If you claim Helayna, Alexia will always move out of your room with a hit to her affection, the exact amount depending on your response in the conversation where she moves out.

But this doesn't end your relationship in any way. It alters some lines/scenes, but I don't think it even locks any scenes off. So yes, you absolutely can make it work with both thus far, though not with any real resolution of Alexia making peace with the situation or anything. That said, given Alexia has a threesome scene with Liurial and an entire series of scenes for Helayna involves her getting off on seeing you with others, one assumes at some point there will be a resolution there involving Alexia and Helayna...making up, and I may die in happiness if it comes. "

" Depending on which dialogue options you choose, Alexia can to some extent try to understand your reasons for rescuing Helayna. But she'll never fully support it and will always move out of your room (if you lived together). "

"There will be an option to have Alexia and Helayna figure out their differences, once Helayna route is updated after the skill update (god damn escape/investigation event).

One of the possible resolutions is FutaAlexia/Helayna sex scene, which was the winner of SoC patreon fanfiction poll, and was deemed plausible enough to be upgraded to a actual ingame scene. "

Alexia is the wife btw.
If you want more info on this type Helayna in the search function above and scroll through the pages
(forgot to mention this but if you do NOT CLAIM Helayna, the male dmeon will fuck her)

 

[Shadowen]

Couple of things/questions:

- I'm getting an exception error whenever I use the main side-menu to try and go back to Rowan's quarters. Rolling back takes me back. If I try and go manually it works fine. Should I post the text from the error? (I'm using the 2.65 version from the Nopy download, no mods installed)

- Does the game use hidden stats? I ask because I noticed in the 'scene's list' guide it talks about needing X points of relationship (or less than), but these particular stats I can't seem to find. So either I'm blind, or they are hidden, or been removed since the guide written up?

- I know this is early game, but is there any reason to demolish villages in the start? Early on there's 3 easy(ish) to get to villages, capture is best right? Also, do destroyed villages rebuild, or gone forever?

- Is there any point to trying to uncover the whole map? Other than to try and trigger random events?

- On this point, do we ever get to choose where on a map we spawn? Cuz if there's a reason to uncover the map... even with the +1 movement study, it would take weeks to uncover some places due to the 2-3 movement cost.

- How do you enable jobs such as Maid or working in the Tavern? Do these require a certain time to have passed? Or something else?

So for instance, I have the Tavern but only getting the option to Talk in the Tavern, no option either in Tavern, room, throne room, etc to have Alexia work there.

- Greyhide. Do both Rowan and Alexia have to have drunken sex with him for the threesome & further Alexia event? Or just Alexia, with Rowan declaring friends and not 'falling for him'?

- Since we're scouting and supposedly recording what we see & find, why can we not see a map of our travels back in the castle? The only weay to see where we have been is to start the exploration... and then we're limited by vision and movement points. Unless this is also something I've not found?

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

Honestly, as good as all the porn is,the thing that really hooks me is the story and feelings the characters have. I legit care about these characters and what is happening to them. I like the castle inhabitants and their little stories, and I am amazed by the scope of emotion the devs gets in the sieges. I go fro elated the plan worked to legit horrified on a visceral level at the actions of the twins. Nice job guys!

Totally agree. The castle inhabitants have become more and more interesting Shaya, X'zaratl and Cliohna in particular and the way Rowan's relationship with them grows. Outside of it Delane and those in Rastedel are also interesting and I like Tarish. It's great it reminds me of Last Sovereign in that regard just gets you invested. I'd love to see more with Tarish actually she feels like someone that'd get on well with Rowan, they've both always been looked down upon in their societies but had the ability and subterfuge to rise to prominence but there's not much with her.

The twins are well written, it's funny just how much you want Rowan to turn the tables on them . Though I suppose that could change in the second part if Rowan's relationship with one or both develops past antagonism.

 

[Rein]

- I'm getting an exception error whenever I use the main side-menu to try and go back to Rowan's quarters. Rolling back takes me back. If I try and go manually it works fine. Should I post the text from the error? (I'm using the 2.65 version from the Nopy download, no mods installed)

Confirmed and reported to the programming team, good job.

- Does the game use hidden stats? I ask because I noticed in the 'scene's list' guide it talks about needing X points of relationship (or less than), but these particular stats I can't seem to find. So either I'm blind, or they are hidden, or been removed since the guide written up?

Yes, it does.

- I know this is early game, but is there any reason to demolish villages in the start? Early on there's 3 easy(ish) to get to villages, capture is best right? Also, do destroyed villages rebuild, or gone forever?

Destroying villages provides most up-front income which can be used to snowball by constructing other buildings, and also rewards the players with slaves, which will grow more valuable with the mechanics update.

I've been looking to balance all three (four) options, so they each offer good rewards depending on your playstyle.

- Is there any point to trying to uncover the whole map? Other than to try and trigger random events?

No.

- On this point, do we ever get to choose where on a map we spawn? Cuz if there's a reason to uncover the map... even with the +1 movement study, it would take weeks to uncover some places due to the 2-3 movement cost.

You can spawn either on a explored portal or on recall hex.

The current UI only supports three portals, but I was looking making a better portal UI, which might also result in increasing the number of them.

- How do you enable jobs such as Maid or working in the Tavern? Do these require a certain time to have passed? Or something else?

Should be available from the start if you have the buildings.

You pick job on the lower right corner of the castle UI. You can't miss it.

- Since we're scouting and supposedly recording what we see & find, why can we not see a map of our travels back in the castle? The only weay to see where we have been is to start the exploration... and then we're limited by vision and movement points. Unless this is also something I've not found?

Because reasons.

We'll do something about it.