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Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.10] [Vénus Noire]
monk_56
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Honestly what I hope for is that there will be a way to get the twins as my subordinates. The way I read the story it seems that if Rowan is someone who turns to the worship of Kharos he could become some sort of a chosen. And the Twins, for all their faults, seem like they would recognize if someone actually is stronger than them and if their interests align it would be possible to keep them as your general and spymistress as long as they get something out of it.
mehGusta
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not to dispute your point here, but lesbian and ntr aren't easy to quantify and have lots of grey zones.
for lesbian as example: in porn whenever in a mmf the guys do sexual things to each other, it is instantly considered also gay. while in a ffm the girls do sexual things to each other, it is considered maybe as sexy foreplay or how a ffm threesome is supposed to go, but not necessarily them also being lesbians. (yes, technically both cases are actually bi, but nobody advertises a sex scene as bi, only as one or the other)
a typical maledom harem might have some of the haremettes have sex with each other as well, which doesn't instill jealously or are seen as threat to the male, though it would if the sex were to be considered actual lesbianism. for example i think every maledom harem enthusiast liked the Liurial x Alexia scene even though Rowan wasn't present.
for ntr as example: it's meaning seem to differ greatly from person to person and is often confused with cuckold, hotwife or even swinging (i think the main problem by this is that usually the term gets used way to broadly and sometimes is not even fitting). it's own presentation differs on small aspects with big differences: is the "victim of adultery" unknowing? secretly knowing and unwilling? secretly knowing and willing? openly knowing and unwilling? openly knowing and willing? then there is also cases in which the "victim" is the actual manipulator of their partner, pushing them into adultery.
on some bizarre cases, some people even seem to consider something ntr when a character is in love with somebody who is not reciprocating the sentiment and goes into or has already a relationship to someone else.
another thing, games that cater around a male MC, but actively tries to not establish a harem, have sometimes the MC have sexual relations with women all around him and that is not considered ntr, even if some of the female cast are in love with the MC. for example i don't think most people consider the first Rowan x Jezera scene to be ntr worthy towards Alexia.
again i do not try to dispute your point, as i agree with you. i just want to remind you that we are dealing with opinions here, as the terms are not defined enough to be handled as facts.
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Its bizarre how you want to degrade the SoC story to simple harem
Also degrade my argument to simple kink shaming.
The funny part of it is that my fav girl is Helayna and she is part of the harem story line. So im not even on the other side of this bizarre "kink war" you apparently waging.
For me it is not about silly argument what kinks are better, its about demand to oversimplify story and sacrifice plot lines because some people think "ugh i hate these dude Andras, he bullies me, when can i kill him? "
Killing off Andres will remove entire ntr plotlines and deprive people who in to this stuff. Do you even though about that?
Andras is a very well written character this why he provokes emotions, that the hole point of it! This mean writers did a great job at creating a well defined villain, in this case a "bully type character". But he is more then that he is essential plot device to move story forward.
That's basicly my point. i dont wnna see writers being bulled in to favoring one particular kink and derail entire storylines that were build up for litarally years beacuse the vocal minority wants oversimplification.
Its bizarre how you want to degrade the SoC story to simple harem
Also degrade my argument to simple kink shaming.
The funny part of it is that my fav girl is Helayna and she is part of the harem story line. So im not even on the other side of this bizarre "kink war" you apparently waging.
For me it is not about silly argument what kinks are better, its about demand to oversimplify story and sacrifice plot lines because some people think "ugh i hate these dude Andras, he bullies me, when can i kill him? "
Killing off Andres will remove entire ntr plotlines and deprive people who in to this stuff. Do you even though about that?
Andras is a very well written character this why he provokes emotions, that the hole point of it! This mean writers did a great job at creating a well defined villain, in this case a "bully type character". But he is more then that he is essential plot device to move story forward.
That's basicly my point. i dont wnna see writers being bulled in to favoring one particular kink and derail entire storylines that were build up for litarally years beacuse the vocal minority wants oversimplification.
diebesgrab
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Since the subject of gay and lesbian content has been brought up just recently, as has avoiding certain kinds of content, I’m curious: is it currently possible to avoid heterosexual content? At least for our protagonists; the twins being who they are, they’ll take any partners they like and if that’s necessary to advance the plot, so be it. But would it be possible to have a playthrough where Rowan only has sex with men, or Alexia only has sex with women?
lamebrain
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All I know is that Rowan is a little baby bitch boy. NTR gang rise up. It's one of the few games that has well-written NTR and that's something that makes it actually interesting (unlike the vast majority of harem games which are boring as shit). Alexia is hot as fuck and basically, she needs to get some non-human dick all up inside her. Liurial is also a babe, but there ought to be a scene where Liurial gets tentacle-fucked, idk, feed that hot little blonde piece to the Wompus or the Weemple or whatever the fuck the devs named the big, grey tentacle thing. Food for thought.
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Not abosultely 100% I don't think? There's a few scenes off my head where there was some kind of coding problem that would prevent dodging. Also some of the mandatory scenes like the Sack have lots of M/f in them. But, we can't exactly cut them either.
That said, you can come pretty fucking close to 100% no straight run. Lots of the MF scenes in the game are avoidable (partially for gay players, partially for people who want to rmeain faithful).
diebesgrab
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I mean it’s a big wide world and we’re playing on the side of sex fiends, so I expect some het sex going on in general; but what about Rowan and Alexia, specifically? Can they avoid heterosexual content as things currently stand without avoiding sex entirely? I know a lot of people who are primarily interested in gay content aren’t going to be super into SoC in the first place, but it’d be nice to have the option.
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I think so. There may be one or two scenes that fall in between the cracks. But, for the most part it's also skipable.
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Just drop it. It looks like you read too much into Ori was saying. There;s no point in arguing against no one.
Liurial is mostly sexually focused on the maledom crowd. That's fine, because not every charachter or plot arc has to be for the same audience.
That said, one of my goals in the upcoming Liurial rework is to make her more intiresting as a person. So it should allow players more ways to engage with her outside of sexual contact. So the entire playerbase should be able to enjoy the new work being done to one extent or another.
lamebrain
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Yeah, that's super chill. I get it. It was just some wishful thinking from my end, y'know?
Anyway, my wider goal here is just to make the idea of more tentacle scenes with the Worple (or whatever the fuck that thing is called) more widespread; spread the seedlings of that idea into the minds of the devs, Inception-style...
Whenever I play this game I feel like Rowan should just instigate a rebellion against demon twins and become a new Demon Lord.
Like, what are those two even doing all their time? I've only seen Andras being Rowan's guard in the orc camp, all the other time he's shown either trying to fuck Rowan's wife or Rowan himself. Same with Andras's sister, she only opened a couple of portals on breaks between attempts to fuck Rowan and his wife.
All their success relies solely on Rowan doing all the work.
Like, what are those two even doing all their time? I've only seen Andras being Rowan's guard in the orc camp, all the other time he's shown either trying to fuck Rowan's wife or Rowan himself. Same with Andras's sister, she only opened a couple of portals on breaks between attempts to fuck Rowan and his wife.
All their success relies solely on Rowan doing all the work.
lamebrain
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The reason why he doesn't rise up in the game is because he's canonically about 5'10".
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How's he going to do that exactly?
He can't just fight the twins. Jezera has a complex set of defensive spells and enchantments. Andras is far and away a stronger fighter. Both of them are ludicrously hard to kill and basically impossible to poison so a quick assassination is out the window.
The bulk of the military forces inside the castle are orcs loyal to Andras and the only practical way to leave or come to the tower is controlled by Jezera.
Also they put a bomb around Rowan and his wife's neck.
The most plausible answer is build up a network of allies and a power base and use it to support the effort. But that takes time to develop, no?
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That doesn't sound right but I cannot be arsed to check the height chart.
lamebrain
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Idk, maybe choke the demon bitch with his dick while his wife rides Andras to death?
So they are completely defensive? Rowan should just die and let those idiots rot in their tower to the end of times.
I'm not demanding anything, just voicing how it feels playing this game for me.
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I mean. From an ethics standpoint there's a real argument to be made about "Should Rowan just kill himself?"Idk, maybe choke the demon bitch with his dick while his wife rides Andras to death?
So they are completely defensive? Rowan should just die and let those idiots rot in their tower to the end of times.
I'm not demanding anything, just voicing how it feels playing this game for me.