Thx a lot. That cleared up most of my confusion. Guess I'll give it another go after Liurial returns. This thing is just not the same without her. 
Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.10] [Vénus Noire]
No, I came to Rastedel from the bottom, not from the north-west. Im aware of that camp but i had no idea it's mandatory to do it before... Thanks you.
In addition to what monk_56 already covered:
If Liurial isn't in the throne room then you still haven't seen one of her reworked scenes, a rework of the dungeon scene with her. Right now for some reason it can't be accessed unless you see it in the weekly events first, and given how many of those there are it can take a while (I didn't see it until week 60-something.) If you don't want to wait that long, you can RNG manipulate by going back and forth with the scroll wheel at the start of one of those events to trigger different ones until you see it. (This may require the console being enabled, I can never remember what does and doesn't.) Also if you're using the scroll wheel, it can't trigger until at least some week in the 20s, so best to just go to week 30 before you try that. Otherwise just play a while making sure not to run into a bad end and you'll see it eventually.
(The same scroll wheel trick can be used for the Orciad events too, as the RNG to get Emma's events there can be kind of annoying at times.)
I am confused on which option to choose. Should i side with jacques and the coppers or Patrricia Crevette? please help me
Lolicon Kami
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I would recommend Patrricia Crevette cause you can control her if you put a neckless on her (if you follow her route, there's a mandatory scene in which you get to choose who puts a mind-control neckless on her; make Rowan put it on her).
But that's just my opinion
But but so many people will die if you do this...I would recommend Patrricia Crevette cause you can control her if you put a neckless on her (if you follow her route, there's a mandatory scene in which you get to choose who puts a mind-control neckless on her; make Rowan put it on her).
But that's just my opinion
Its actually the baddies route
It doesn't matter... There are a lotta people dying no matter what you choose... And it can be worse in the future... There is an event where Rowan meet with Nasim and together found a chamber full with the power of Kharos which can conduct Rowan seriously into "The Dark Side of The Force" :vBut but so many people will die if you do this...
Its actually the baddies route
Well Yes but actually no.
Winter our ingenuous writer actually gave us 3 choices with clear morality linked to them:
1) Warden route - we help majority of knights and army escape + nobility + high pristess/ most powerful mage + patricia ( who cares she is old anyway). Basically we sacrifice our self so that as many people as possible escape.
That's the Order/Good choice
2) Jacques route - we want to strike against corrupted capitalis... i mean privileged white... i mean We hate upperclasses and goddess/her priestess and side with merchants... which will leads to plutocracy and actually wont do anything just create another upper class in 20 years but you know... We FiGhT AgAinST SYSTEM!
That's the Revolution/Neutral choice
3) We corrupt Patrricia Crevette - and everything burns the low and the high. All dead. We can chose to link amulet that controls her to Us (Rowan) or to Jazera and so two options in the future: Evil OVerlord or Evil Seneschal of the Twins.
That's the Chaos/ Evil choice.
P.S. Also watch Arcane form Netflix its really good like god like good series. trust me on this one.
Strange... Before all that i choose "Might Makes Right". And then...
1) In this route before the ending, i sided with the poor instead of the knights and then sided with patricia, so many of common were "save" while the nobility and priestess just got fuck up. My "Rowan version" is an anarchist who take "Might Makes Right" beyond the use of force, intelligence before the force, deals before conquering, meritocracy instead of a supposed right at birth, fuck the Government which exist by the use of force in favor of spontaneous order...
2) I've never sided with Jackes... There is no bitches :v
3 I did this and didn't appreciate anything different from i described in 1)... Except of course there is more sex :v
PS. I recommend see Day of the Dead the series... See snowflakes who claim for safespaces being eaten by zombies have no price :v
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I don't think this choice influence Rastadel ark in any way.
Well you basically did Patricia route twice so no wounder you have the same results.
Helping people in the Slums wont change you choice of who your main ally will be. its just a side option.
To see how things unfold differently you have to side with Werden.
Killing Werden was main goal of twins. He is the mind of defending forces and the only person who can organize it.
My point was actually about how Winter presented the Good choice.
In movies, literature in media in general protagonist always rewarded for saving someone/for standing for his principals.
In reality its rarely so. The good choice is always the hardest this why people get so easily corrupted by power.
People who Rowan saved don't realize how thing could have been if Rowan wouldn't step in. And so they didn't appreciate his sacrifice much. Nor they praise him for doing what he is doing.
Very well written points.
That Werden is a good choice, at least has of now, is highly debatable, what the his route mostly does is let the people responsible go to screw with the situation even more. It gives nothing but promises that in the future they will be a resistance and a kick in the balls for believing that there is a real good option. Werden is a man slowly dying and the priest lady is at most a powerful faith mage that played politics.
I probably will proven wrong, but in my opinion the good option is going with jacques, he at least does not need to be mind fucked to join and might actualy have the betterment of the people in mind, werden i would call the naive option, you go with it expecting to do greater good and end up bloody and with nothing to show for it other than knowing that sometimes the twins are ultra competent and others they are a wanna be spie mistress and a berserker
Same here but you can still enter both places if you repeat to roll back or skip on same place.
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I agree with you here on all counts. Anyone who thinks the Werden path is going to be the "good" path is mistaken.
1) Jac pathing seems to leave the city in the best state during the sack and values the common citizen the most.
2) Patricia route is 100% for either Overlord / Slave pathing depending on who you mind-control patricia for.
~As a caveat to this piece- I see you Winter with your drawing thematic parallels here friend. The twins use a necklace to control rowan at the start of the game. In this route Rowan can use a necklace to control someone.
3)Werden route feels like getting kicked in the balls repeatedly.
There are two benefit.
~Juliet gets to escape
~A hefty portion of the cities wealth gets out
Meanwhile the bad side of the route:
~The city gets absolutely fucking roasted.
~A complete moron and Twins pawn is left in charge of managing the city. Duke Raeve.
~Delane gets transformed into some sort of weird hell doll and is on her way to get gang-raped. Presumably anyone who gets the option of the Werden pathing in the first place liked/loved Delane or at least didn't want her to have a bad fate.
~The twins are absolutely fucking pissed at rowan and will be paying extra attention to him
Neutral aspects:
~Werden is a cunt; but a very interesting character
~A bunch of allegedly powerful "good-guy" characters get away. But frankly- most of them are more grey-morality characters than actually being good. Additionally, said characters are part of the problem that led the city/realm to be in kinda a shiet way in the 1st place.
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The idea of this choice
What kind of people we leave alive and be our potential ally.
Lets look closely what Jacqueis is.
He is merchant with good intentions or at least it's what he claim to be ... that's all.
The moment twins want to end him he is dead.
There is no army behind him, no military experience , nor real knowledge or experience in governing city state and no divine power behind him.
Yeh valuable ally indeed.
And we have on our hand demon invasion. With hints of rising chaos god behind the twins.
I would remind you that in Seed of chaos gods are not just ideological symbols they actual beings of power who actually shape reality.
If you are not siding with one of the gods or ignore them you basically lose.
So from practical perspective i would bet on grizzled military commander with organized knights behind him, divine representative of real Goddess of Order and Cravett as talented manager any day.
and not start Le Revolution with Jacqueis in the middle of demon invasion.
That's kind of suicidal.
All have dark side to them. the question is: is good in them outweighs bad?
I don't even comprehend how people cant see that organizing at least one fourth of people escape from burning city that will be in not so kind hands of Andras and his orcs IS the Good route in the options we have on table.
What kind of people we leave alive and be our potential ally.
Lets look closely what Jacqueis is.
He is merchant with good intentions or at least it's what he claim to be ... that's all.
The moment twins want to end him he is dead.
There is no army behind him, no military experience , nor real knowledge or experience in governing city state and no divine power behind him.
Yeh valuable ally indeed.
And we have on our hand demon invasion. With hints of rising chaos god behind the twins.
I would remind you that in Seed of chaos gods are not just ideological symbols they actual beings of power who actually shape reality.
If you are not siding with one of the gods or ignore them you basically lose.
So from practical perspective i would bet on grizzled military commander with organized knights behind him, divine representative of real Goddess of Order and Cravett as talented manager any day.
and not start Le Revolution with Jacqueis in the middle of demon invasion.
That's kind of suicidal.
I'm living on this earth for a few decades and yet to meet this "good" people the way idealist describe them.
All have dark side to them. the question is: is good in them outweighs bad?
I don't even comprehend how people cant see that organizing at least one fourth of people escape from burning city that will be in not so kind hands of Andras and his orcs IS the Good route in the options we have on table.
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This is one of those situations where there isn’t a good choice, just a choice that will presumably help you reach a goal.
Choosing Patricia gives Rowan/the twins largely direct control over Rastedel and Rosaria.
Choosing Jacques spares the most people in the immediate aftermath.
Choosing Werden allows the people most capable of resisting the twins in the long term the chance to survive, regroup, and to directly alert the other nations with important details, as well as potentially reducing Rowan’s perceived culpability in the eyes of the people who will be fighting the twins in the next couple chapters. It also helps preserve the old order, which from a modern perspective likely isn’t worth preserving, though it’s a question of which is the lesser of two evils.
Choosing Patricia gives Rowan/the twins largely direct control over Rastedel and Rosaria.
Choosing Jacques spares the most people in the immediate aftermath.
Choosing Werden allows the people most capable of resisting the twins in the long term the chance to survive, regroup, and to directly alert the other nations with important details, as well as potentially reducing Rowan’s perceived culpability in the eyes of the people who will be fighting the twins in the next couple chapters. It also helps preserve the old order, which from a modern perspective likely isn’t worth preserving, though it’s a question of which is the lesser of two evils.
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