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Spiny Norman

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If you were a mature adult you'd realize its a trash fetish :p
I am a fan of the NTR genre, but I don’t put myself in the place of the MC when I play games. So I can understand why people who do play games from that perspective could have an aversion to it. Also, I hope the anti vs pro NTR debate never ends because it always devolves into a dumpster fire every time it gets brought up, and it’s so fun to watch.
 

Fleep

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How about we don't fight over this again. For people who really don't like NTR (like me) seeing even hints of it may ruin the whole fun. Not shitting on people who's into it, but NTR used to make me literally nauseous, like I was actually about to puke because of how bad I felt (not anymore because now I play the game as an espectator more than like Rowan himself, like the guy above me just said). That's why the first time I played the game I played with NTR off, but even there you could see clear hints of the NTR. The dev team themselves have been aware of this and have tried to rework those scenes, doing a way better job now, but before those changes I could see why some people thought that even with NTR off, the game felt NTR.

Ken Kovan just asked if you could turn the NTR off, and I find it weird how Jynx is calling him out for saying NTR fans are a bit agressive when you already have someone saying that you're boring and vanilla if you turn off the NTR and someone posting a shitty meme and thinking they're better than everyone else because of liking a certain fetish. That mere question started all this again. So yeah, anti NTR and pro NTR, you would be right to call any of them agressive, and both of them have their reasons, there's no point arguing about this.
 

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If you were a mature adult you'd realize its a trash fetish :p
I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.
 

Fleep

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I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.
Damned zoomers and their...

Spins roulette

Not enjoying having their girlfriend taken away from them.

Think i said this here (or somewhere else) before. I believe the NTR crowd mostly consist of teens (you know brains not fully developed yet) or young adults (same situation as before). No other explanation for the inability to separate themselves from a ingame persona (main character).

And whatever the case they are a blight.
There are also people who like feeling like they're the ingame persona. And also people who are deeply empathic , so I dunno...
 

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There are also people who like feeling like they're the ingame persona. And also people who are deeply empathic , so I dunno...
My point precisely.
The haters are the ones incapable of keeping a line between real life and the game. Also the ability to understand the feelings of others is a far cry from raging because of some perceiving infidelity, be it real or not in the context of the game.
 

Fleep

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My point precisely.
The haters are the ones incapable of keeping a line between real life and the game. Also the ability to understand the feelings of others is a far cry from raging because of some perceiving infidelity, be it real or not in the context of the game.
People play games differently regardless of age. Some people go in with the expectations of being the main characters themselves while others would rather watch everything from behind that line, more akin to espectators and not feeling identified with the MC (like I do, thankfully). If someone who belongs into the first group doesn't like NTR at all and finds something NTR it's normal that they'd feel bad. Not to be mean, but to me it feels like you're throwing baseless assumptions, trying to discredit other people's opinions by attatching them to certain groups of people that, from your POV, deserve less credit.
 

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I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.
I was just joking there but in regards to the whole NTR thing i don't think it has anything to do with zoomers as i see people disdaining it from pretty much every age range. Also, the notion of NTR became familiar in the last ten years or so, along with other aspects of anime culture.

I think it's a simple matter of not all fetishes being equal . For example, people are not gonna be disgusted by someone having a foot fetish, even though they might find it weird , while if someone told them they were into being pissed on, well they would probably think that something was wrong with them.

It's the same for NTR and cuckoldry in general because for all that the later has been noteworthy for generations the word cuck is primarily used as an insult ( even though a lot of times it is used in a context that has nothing to do with cuckoldry).
 

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Can you guys please discuss the new scenes instead?
In the interest of Rein's mental health I'm going to scrap everything I'd been writing, and just say I like the new temple scene virgin_protection all the paths are are pretty hot, but I especially appreciate that there is a non-evil sex scene option. Sometimes it feels like in order to get a decent amount of sex you have to play into the twins' hands.

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Its an unfortunate fact that developing these scenes take far more time that to play through them. It must be a frustrating to put so much time and energy into a new update only for people to blast through the new content and be done discussing it all within a few day. I just want to say that we do appreciate all your hard work, that why most of us are here. (y)
 
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I agree with Jynx, after putting so much effort into writing a scene it's great seeing people discussing your work. I haven't gotten that scene yet, but I do promise you Rein , that the moment you give me more Jezara or Cilohna femdom scenes I'll be talking about them until you tell me to shut the fuck up.
 
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New guy asks people to be calm and answer his question..... welp that escalated quickly.

1) Zoomers and assumers :p

As to diebesgrab's point as to why it has become a hot topic lately - I have my own theory.

TL/DR: I suspect its that the mainstream that showed up late to the porn-game scene and not the Zoomers- and they complain about what they don't like and invest in what they do- just like most people.

[Skip to
2) if you just want to read some leading questions about the new update ^_^.]

I'd posit it likely relates more to porn games becoming more normalized in our cultures. I'm no zoomer- but I didn't even think about playing them until they randomly started popping up in my Steam queue a couple years back.

Perhaps before the ramp up of porn game awareness - porn games were more of a Mecca for people who were searching to experience certain more niche kinks- (since a game allows you to cover content types which are not allowed or not able to be realized in actual porn- until daddy Patreon says no at any rate)

As more and more members of a more mainstream culture recognized and started to enjoy porn games the ones which favor more tradition kinks blew up big time and some of the less traditional more nitche kinks hated on more or haven't grown in a comparably dynamic way.

Beast, incest, rape, loli, and NTR all make large swaths of folks feel disgusted- and you see a fair amount of hate about them in various forums, but not nearly as much as you see about NTR. And while the other kinks are obviously more egregious I think the way NTR needs to insert itself into narratives is what makes it more vocally hated.

It is totally understandable that NTR would make some people feel disgusted as.....isn't it specifically designed to do that?
I suspect the main thing about it that makes it particularly abrasive is that it is a Kink which requires a lot of narrative build up and attention to be done compellingly; so even if the sex scenes are avoidable it can easily extend beyond the scope of those scenes in a myriad of ways.

But yeah....if you look at the large mainstream markets like Steam the top selling games are not like SoC at all.
They tend to be feels good harem games like Nekopara, Being a DIK, Treasures of Nadia ect.

Then compare them to how SoC is doing on steam (like ~400 reviews or something, oof- critically underrated). It is objectively a better written game- with better game-play, and higher quality art; so why is it doing so, so, so, so much worse in those markets?

None of those stories hold even the tiniest flame in comparison to SoC. But their content menu's are a buffet if you are a typical porn consumer (a heterosexual male).

Just like Rance would be a buffet if you like hetero rape fantasy content.

Or Tits / CoC1 and CoC2 are a buffet if you like big futa cock on everything.

SoC is a buffet if you are a bi-sexual, NTR enthusiast, rape fetishist, mostly sub but sometimes dom switch. Who also likes a bit of vanilla and enjoys tons of narrative where their character is degraded or abused.

There is a lot of content on the SoC menu, but depending on how you slice it its going to have a hard time competing with something like Summertime Saga or the other game's I mentioned in a more mainstream market. It keeps a strong hold on niche content for smaller % demographic players; but its going to have a hard time ever really blowing up- because at the end of the day for a non-insignificant portion of potential porn game consumers the sexual menu is like eating at a buffet with some of the most delicious food you ever ate but also toxins and dirt in many of the dishes if you aren't interested in a few specific kinks.

Only around 3% of the population is bisexual or gay and that is just the 1st layer of that content shrinkage.

I love SoC for its story and for how good the routes I do care about are. I'm sure there are lot of other people who like it for other reasons- but the breakdown of sexual content is really quite disappointing for my tastes and I suspect the NTR flame-wars is a result of the main-stream stopping by and maybe having a similar perspective?

Who knows; correlation ≠ causation. Still..... there is definitely something or more likely some things going on to have escalated the situation to this point.

2) Tell me more about the plot??!

Anyway...can we get back to talking about the release? I've been really looking forward to some more perspective on the events or in game theories. I read all the new events and they were all really nicely done. Wasn't into the gay ones- but I can still appreciate the good writing and Greyhide is a good Waifu if you like being tiny af compared to your partner. So here are some questions to get people chatting hopefully

a) What content do people think we will get next release?
b) Why was the rewrite of the Liurial x Alexia x Rowan 3-some event so fucking great?
c) Did the maid gossip make anyone else chuckle?
d) At what point will Nasim do a fertility treatment that isn't big-booba bimbo times for Lexi?
e) When will Rowan get to be in a transformation scene? Or is he condemned to his boring vanilla body for eternity?
(Alexi is up to what 4 or 5?)
f) When will the updated Dev map come out?
g) Did anyone else think Alexia was portrayed more romantically / empathically than she usually is the release? Often she is just written like a petty bitch towards Rowan even at low corruption. I enjoyed that part. Maybe.....one day in the future I'll actually truly like her.
h) Has anyone cracked the code as to what the finale with Liurial will be. Are we going to remove some Elves from the castle census? Is Jezera going to make a play?
i) Romance vs dom route with Cla min? Which did you enjoy more? (Obviously both....both is best- but if you had to choose :p?)
Praise the dev who decided we could enjoy both on the same play-through :love:
j) Why is Cla-min's route so fucking good despite the writing quality being a little more awkward than some of the other paths?
k) Which scene with Cla-min's family members is your fav and why is it the seamstress scene :p (The answer is obviously 1/1 Sommlier)
l) Will X ever be topped or put her dick away?
m) And most importantly when will the new Liurial line art be released to Patreons? :p
 
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I completed the second objective and im at 52th week, however I think there is a third objective because I just seen the warning event. When I go out to the map and click objective it doesnt show anything. What am I supposed to do?
 

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personally, I feel that the NTR attracting such intense debate/dislike (which I don't get, but whatever) is that other more hardcore fetishes are so out of common experience that they're seen as simple fantasies whereas NTR is... a bit too mundane so it hits a nerve? It's too close to home so to speak.

Anyway, I think this whole website talks way too much about NTR so I won't delve on it more than that :ROFLMAO:
 

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a) What content do people think we will get next release?
b) Why was the rewrite of the Liurial x Alexia x Rowan 3-some event so fucking great?
c) Did the maid gossip make anyone else chuckle?
d) At what point will Nasim do a fertility treatment that isn't big-booba bimbo times for Lexi?
e) When will Rowan get to be in a transformation scene? Or is he condemned to his boring vanilla body for eternity?
(Alexi is up to what 4 or 5?)
f) When will the updated Dev map come out?
g) Did anyone else think Alexia was portrayed more romantically / empathically than she usually is the release? Often she is just written like a petty bitch towards Rowan even at low corruption. I enjoyed that part. Maybe.....one day in the future I'll actually truly like her.
h) Has anyone cracked the code as to what the finale with Liurial will be. Are we going to remove some Elves from the castle census? Is Jezera going to make a play?
i) Romance vs dom route with Cla min? Which did you enjoy more? (Obviously both....both is best- but if you had to choose :p?)
Praise the dev who decided we could enjoy both on the same play-through :love:
j) Why is Cla-min's route so fucking good despite the writing quality being a little more awkward than some of the other paths?
k) Which scene with Cla-min's family members is your fav and why is it the seamstress scene :p (The answer is obviously 1/1 Sommlier)
l) Will X ever be topped or put her dick away?
m) And most importantly when will the new Liurial line art be released to Patreons? :p
a) What content do people think we will get next release?
I think that more Liurial and X'zaratl content is pretty likely but is kind of a boring prediction since they are currently being actively worked on. Now don't get me wrong I love X'zaratl and Liurial, but safe bet predictions are boring. Also Cla-min's Arc and the Prologue Rework have just been completed so it seems to be that there are a couple of new work slots open.

So I'm going to take a long shot and predict that we will start to see some development on characters that where still waiting their turn. Winter said that Hooky has been "chomping at the bit to work on the Fae Arc, and periodically I'll hear a developer talk about plans they have for Helayna's rework. So those will be my predictions. I don't know if they will actually be in the next update, but I image they are both relatively close on the horizon.

b) Why was the rewrite of the Liurial x Alexia x Rowan 3-some event so fucking great?
For me it wat all the detail and considerations that went into it. To be honest on my first playthrough of the scene I thought it just a fairly hot, well written, if rather straight forward scene. I figured that like many other scenes there wouldn't be more that a line or few changed for certain scenarios. But both Monk and Winter were pretty quick to correct my assumptions, and with subsequent playthroughs I'm come to appreciate the nuance and ambition of the scene.

I want to say I can't wait to see more like it, but I imagine it was a nightmary to develop, so I won't demand too hard.

c) Did the maid gossip make anyone else chuckle?
I like that they are very similar to the rumors we can see elsewhere. Considering who is in charge of the maids, and one of the potential ends of the rude workers scene, I think I make know who the source of all these rumors is...

d) At what point will Nasim do a fertility treatment that isn't big-booba bimbo times for Lexi?
As Nasim said he can't just increase her fertility directly with out an unacceptable likelihood of Alexia birthing a monstrosity. So instead they are focusing on the physical trappings of recent motherhood. But of course actual pregnancy and child birth are really hard on the body, and many women never fully bounce back form the ordeal. So most people are not really interesting in the actual trappings of motherhood like stretch marks, so instead the game focuses on the sexy idealized trappings like big milky titties.

e) When will Rowan get to be in a transformation scene? Or is he condemned to his boring vanilla body for eternity?
If I were to hazard a guess I would say, it's not terribly likely and if he does get any it will be far fewer than Alexia. I think that part of this might be do the the level of identification many players have with Rowan, and as such they will expect a certain amount of bodily autonomy for him that they don't for other characters. Comparatively most players do not have the same level of identification with Alexia despite controlling her in much the same way. (I would be interested to see how that dynamic plays out with any female fans the game may have).

I think this may link back to what you were saying about main steam vs niche audiences. Games in which the MC is transformed are their own niche, and this game isn't designed to draw in that niche's players, so I think a large majority of the player base is not interested in "their character" being transformed. Can you image how most players would react if Rowan could grow a vagina the way Alexia can potentially grow a dick?

Personally, I'm indifferent about it. But I think they would have to add a pretty decent amount of Rowan transformation content before they would start to attract enough of an audience that was into those scenes to make it worth the work.

f) When will the updated Dev map come out?
My guess is that it is a lower priority because it doesn't seem like something that would generate a lot of enthusiasm among the player base. Also it would likely break saves and it wasn't that long ago since their last save breaking update and I imagine they would want to spread those out. So I think it will be quite a bit down the line.


g) Did anyone else think Alexia was portrayed more romantically / empathically than she usually is the release? Often she is just written like a petty bitch towards Rowan even at low corruption.
I think I remember reading somewhere that the developers hadn't planned on Alexia playing a very large role in the game at the beginning. But fan demand for more content with her caused her role in the game to grow.
I think most fans that have been around for awhile would agree that the writing for the more recent content is overall significantly better than that of the early scenes, and I would venture that this is a product of that. That could be a because of experience making them better writers, or maybe it is just a case of having a plan for the direction of a character leads to better writing, or it could be a combination of the two.

h) Has anyone cracked the code as to what the finale with Liurial will be. Are we going to remove some Elves from the castle census? Is Jezera going to make a play?
I could see the fate of the elf troop going either way since Rowan has the option to either be a dick or be conciliatory towards Liurial's old master. As for Jezera, I don't think she actually wants to take Liurial. I think she just wants to lightly threaten something that Rowan cares about to remind him of his place.

i) Romance vs dom route with Cla min? Which did you enjoy more? (Obviously both....both is best- but if you had to choose :p?)
I prefer the feel of the romance options because that was more the sense I got for the direction their relationship was going. However I like the action of the dom routes because I also got the sense that Cal-min (an likely goblins in general) was a lady that enjoys rough play...So yeah I guess the answer really is both.

j) Why is Cla-min's route so fucking good despite the writing quality being a little more awkward than some of the other paths?
For me I think it is because she is one of the few characters that you can fully trust (mostly, she is still a tricky goblin after all, but it is more to keep you on your toes that any actual malfeasance). Most of the other characters, even if I like them, are still ostensibly my enemy.

I also enjoy that you can go on quirky little adventures with her unrelated to you job at the the castle so it is a welcome break the the oppressive atmosphere.

k) Which scene with Cla-min's family members is your fav and why is it the seamstress scene :p
I like Cla-mini's repeatable blowjob scene on the castle walls. When I first played the game that scene made me really sit up and think "holy shit, she is really going to town!" It was also the first animated scene I saw so it really jumped out at me and has remained one of my favorites. Sometimes, I'll visit the caravan just to see it again.

l) Will X ever be topped or put her dick away?
I don't think she will ever be putting the dick away, just because most of her fans are here for the D. however I could potentially see her bottoming for Rowan (and possible Alexia at the same time) as part of her arc's climax. (hehehe climax...)

m) And most importantly when will the new Liurial line art be released to Patreons? :p
The roughs started going up yesterday!:D
 

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I completed the second objective and im at 52th week, however I think there is a third objective because I just seen the warning event. When I go out to the map and click objective it doesnt show anything. What am I supposed to do?
You need to recruit the orc army (northwest most orc camp) AND visit Rastedal and attend the palace ball (northeast huge city, can't miss it). If you've done that the only goal left is to conquer Rastedel, but there's no time limit on that.
 
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I completed the second objective and im at 52th week, however I think there is a third objective because I just seen the warning event. When I go out to the map and click objective it doesnt show anything. What am I supposed to do?
Wait until week 60
 
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