Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[RC-1138 Boss]

So someone else hickjacked your account to write this?

He is so fucking tiny and boring looking. With the exception of a hand full of scenes that portray him more positvely- the only times his scenes are consistently hot is when he is paired up with some miniature race like goblins or elves. Most of men in the game make him look like Pee-Wee fuckin' Herman. I don't see why he needs to be small in his hetero scenes with his wife- why can't he look good? It is to serve the cuckold plots? Fuck....leave that shit for him getting topped or fem-dom or whatever.

Its the main protagonist- but there is so little in the game that actually feels like "winning" unless you like losing, getting shit on, being degraded, being small and weak, and being a sub.

Will we ever get content that feels like an actual overlord path? Where he feels powerful? In control? Large? Virile? Dominant?

Or will he be this pedestrian, undersized, compromised, cucked bitch until the end of game 3? My wallet demands to know.

One doesn't really need much reading comprehension when all your posts in the last few pages are pretty much variations of the same thing: bad cuck shit this, bad cuck shit that, tiny Rowan this, tiny Rowan that.

You equal ntr plots with bad writing on your posts and fromthere you also started jumping to the already debunked idea that NTR routes are in the marjority of the plot on this game. Hence the Stark meme.

 

[fihesog318]

Thank God for the ignore user function

 

[Semantics]

It confuses me how people pretend like making the main character smaller in build, height, and asset size isn't a thing NTR properties intentionally do. I don't really care about it, both because the writing doesn't care either with the possible exception of the actual NTR content (Don't know if it does, don't care if it does) and because it makes sense Rowan isn't as tall or built as a minotaur, orc, or demon lord (Never mind the sometimes-inconsistent art as previously discussed.)

But it's absolutely a thing NTR content does, so when you see it in a game with avoidable NTR, it's hard not to connect certain dots and think it was a planned creative decision designed to probably help emasculation vibes for the NTR crowd.

(Granted, going the opposite direction with a character that's small, or fat, or etc, is also a thing NTR content does, so there's really very little winning here.)

So someone else hickjacked your account to write this?
One doesn't really need much reading comprehension when all your posts in the last few pages are pretty much variations of the same thing: bad cuck shit this, bad cuck shit that, tiny Rowan this, tiny Rowan that.

You equal ntr plots with bad writing on your posts and fromthere you also started jumping to the already debunked idea that NTR routes are in the marjority of the plot on this game. Hence the Stark meme.

He talked about 175cm and also brought up build. The difference between 175cm and 2m is nearly 10 inches, so pretending like "wanting taller than 175cm" = "wanting 2m" doesn't track. He also only brought up writing quality in one post where he praised the writing overall but took umbrage with a non NTR scene's writing portraying Rowan as "pathetic." (The scene in question specifically calls attention to how out of control of himself Rowan is and that he blows within a minute leaving Helayna completely unsatisfied, so he's not being hyperbolic here.) I also didn't see him mention anything about a majority of the plot being NTR routes. He brought up "10-15%" of the game being AndrasxAlexia while wishing for more deep RowanxGirl routes and earlier mentioned 40% of an upcoming rework to a particular route. Maybe I missed the point where he said that, though.

I realize NTR is always going to be a contentious subject, but it'd be nice if everybody just learned to reply to what people said, not what they imagined they said.

Sweet lord you are dense. Its like you found your reading comprehension in the bargain bin at a dollar store.

...Everybody refraining from personal insults would also be nice.

 

[monk_56]

...Everybody refraining from personal insults would also be nice.

You're right- I crossed a line there. I shouldn't let the frustration of people misrepresenting what I write and trying to slam dunk me with counter arguments cause me to be rude. I've said my piece on the subject matter of Rowan's physique- I'll move on.

The 40% is speculative- since Hel's new content seems to be split into her claimed vs unclaimed pathings.

Anyone want to speculate on the trajectory of the new Goblin plot? I'm thinking Red-wedding style intrigue and betrayal.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

You're right- I crossed a line there. I shouldn't let the frustration of people misrepresenting what I write and trying to slam dunk me with counter arguments cause me to be rude. I've said my piece on the subject matter of Rowan's physique- I'll move on.

The 40% is speculative- since Hel's new content seems to be split into her claimed vs unclaimed pathings.

Anyone want to speculate on the trajectory of the new Goblin plot?

I'm expecting the twins command Rowan to save them from the Goblin Slayer :v

 

[Oriandu]

EVeryone's arguing about whatever while I'm just sitting here freaking out about One Piece chapter 1044 spoilers while also patiently waiting for artwork to accompany Cla-Min's impregnation scenes.

 

[T51bwinterized]

You understand that I'm the lead writer, right? I approve or deny on most story beats, and either me or Rein checks events before they go in. Also when planning story arcs I'm normally in most of the discussions, giving directions, with Arioch himself giving final approval or denial.

So I gotta say, man. "The team doesn't care about Mdom" is a fucking weird thing to say when I'm THE Mdom guy. Of course, I care about making sure there's good M/f content with Rowan in a more dominant position. And Arioch cared about it too because he hired me originally to ensure we had good Mdom scenes.

So I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about when you say the devs don't care about the route. Hell, I literally am an Mdom. Anyone who knows me can confirm I never shut up about going to this kink event or having just bought that piece of fetish gear.

Take the goblins. I'm not going to go into sprcifics, but the entire thing is split down the middle, with actually slightly more Rowan dominant coded scene then Rowan bottom coded scenes (although we wanted to ensure Rowan bottom players got plenty too).

Like, bro. Bro. Broooooooooo.

 

[monk_56]

You understand that I'm the lead writer, right? I approve or deny on most story beats, and either me or Rein checks events before they go in. Also when planning story arcs I'm normally in most of the discussions, giving directions, with Arioch himself giving final approval or denial.

So I gotta say, man. "The team doesn't care about Mdom" is a fucking weird thing to say when I'm not only THE Mdom guy. Of course , I care about making sure there's good M/f content with Rowan in a more dominant position. And Arioch cared about it too because he hired me originally to ensure we had good Mdom scenes.

So I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about when you say the devs don't care about the route. Hell, I literally am an Mdom. Anyone who knows me can confirm I never shut up about going to this kink event or having just bought that piece of fetish gear.

Take the goblins. I'm not going to go into sprcifics, but the entire thing is split down the middle, with actually slightly more Rowan dominant coded scene then Rowan bottom coded scenes (although we wanted to ensure Rowan bottom players got plenty too).

Like, bro. Bro. Broooooooooo.

I mean- there is obviously a reason I like the routes you write best. When you get to go ham and write Maledom content for Rowan it is awesome. Liurial's content is so fucking awesome. You also make a good point about LA in relation to hiring you so I partially rescind my comment. But honestly, it still doesn't change my general perception of the game's overall vibe, intent, or trajectory.

I'll look forward to that male-dom goblin content in the steam release.

 

[Nubian king]

Alexia content should be a strict mandotory in every update.

 

[lonewulf75]

I recognize that I should probably do a search before posting the following, just to make sure it's not already available, but I already took the time to make this list, so I'm just gonna post. If it turns out it's already available, well, that's just some wasted time on my part. Not a big deal. XD

Cheats: This is a list of what I believe to be the most useful commands. There were others that I found, but they were a bit suspect as to whether they would "break" the game. At least with this list you can always undo what you've changed, but you should still keep a backup save just in case.
(Note: to enable "cheats" open the 00console.rpy file found inside of renpy/common/ and change the line config.console = False to True. While in the game hold shift+o to open the console.)

Gold:
1)Add/Remove gold from the treasury:

castle.treasury += numerical-value​

castle.treasury -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove gold from inventory:

avatar.gold += numerical-value​

avatar.gold -= numerical-value​

Character Cheats:
1)Add/Remove experience:

avatar.exp += numerical-value​

avatar.exp -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove skill points:

avatar.skill_points_available += numerical-value​

avatar.skill_points_available -= numerical-value​

3)Add/Remove skill levels(for X inside of the " " replace with full lower-case skill name):

avatar.skills["X"].level += numerical-value​

avatar.skills["X"].level -= numerical-value​

4)Add/Subtract your character's level(level only, no skills added):

avatar.lvl += numerical-value​

avatar.lvl -= numerical-value​

5)Add/Remove your character's corruption(max seems to be 100):

avatar.corruption += numerical-value​

avatar.corruption -= numerical-value​

6)Add/Remove your character's guilt(max seems to be 100):

avatar.guilt += numerical-value​

avatar.guilt -= numerical-value​

7)Add/Remove movement points during exploration:

avatar.mp += numerical-value​

avatar.mp -= numerical-value​

8)Heal your wounds(haven't checked, never wounded, should work):

avatar.heal_injuries​

Castle Cheats:
1)Add/Remove castle morale (maximum morale you can reach is 100):

castle.morale += numerical-value​

castle.morale -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove prisoners in the dungeon:

castle.buildings['dungeon'].prisoners += numerical-value​

castle.buildings['dungeon'].prisoners -= numerical-value​

ok i admit ive not gone through all over 100+ pages of this thread but the cheats you talk about and all ive seen spoken off so far seem all for the PC version of this wonderful way to spend our time but what about the android version for those of us on the go? lol are such options still a thing? ill try to come back on here more but if possible if you very smart people out there have the answer please hit me up at lonewulf75 at gmail ill look forward to hearing from you =) happy gaming everyone =)

 

[Semantics]

ok i admit ive not gone through all over 100+ pages of this thread but the cheats you talk about and all ive seen spoken off so far seem all for the PC version of this wonderful way to spend our time but what about the android version for those of us on the go? lol are such options still a thing? ill try to come back on here more but if possible if you very smart people out there have the answer please hit me up at lonewulf75 at gmail ill look forward to hearing from you =) happy gaming everyone =)

As far as I know the main method of unlocking the console, UnRen.bat, doesn't have any sort of Android version or equivalent. And you also can't just easily edit the script files to enable the console, because apk.

It might be possible to just change the files in the PC version as you normally would, then convert it to an apk yourself. Or change the PC version, then play that PC version on your Android device using JoiPlay. That said, I don't play Ren'py games on Android, so I can't comment on if either of those methods would work or how easy/difficult they'd be if you aren't used to those options. (And a brief check of Google suggests it might not be possible to bring up a keyboard screen in Ren'py in at least one of those instances, meaning you might also have to use a keyboard peripheral of some sort.)

 

[lonewulf75]

As far as I know the main method of unlocking the console, UnRen.bat, doesn't have any sort of Android version or equivalent. And you also can't just easily edit the script files to enable the console, because apk.

It might be possible to just change the files in the PC version as you normally would, then convert it to an apk yourself. Or change the PC version, then play that PC version on your Android device using JoiPlay. That said, I don't play Ren'py games on Android, so I can't comment on if either of those methods would work or how easy/difficult they'd be if you aren't used to those options. (And a brief check of Google suggests it might not be possible to bring up a keyboard screen in Ren'py in at least one of those instances, meaning you might also have to use a keyboard peripheral of some sort.)

i appreciate the fast replies ive been getting both on here and in PM..the reason i do ask about android is i do these AVN's more on my android than my pc...ive spent too many hours sitting at a PC through the years in my younger years pulling all-nighter's gaming and now that im older my back just cant do it for more than an hour or 2 at a time anymore. sucks getting old lol so for me its just easier to kick back and chill and have fun on my android. with the right one you can do Almost anything hehe

 

[lamebrain]

The constant shrieking over the mdom vs. NTR shit is kinda annoying because it is so rare that a game has well-written NTR, can you just let it slide? Please? I mean, mdom (either in soft or hard forms) has always been the most common genre of not only hentai games but all pornography in general. Good, well-written NTR is so fuckin' rare. And besides, Rowan-focused sex is still the main focus of this game anyway (even if that "main focus" is a 60/40 split or whatever), and so there's a helluva lot of mdom content that comes out of that as a result.

I'll be honest: I play this game only for the Alexia content. I became a Patreon sub only for the Alexia content. I suspect that at least 30% to 40% of the player-base is in the same camp. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about Rowan — if I want to watch a buff dude bang the shit out of some chick, I'll just watch ExploitedCollegeGirls or some shit. But to each their own, y'know? It is what it is. And while I do advocate for more Alexia content in this forum (okay, I do post some dumb shit as well but that's for jokes), you don't see me getting all mad and writing paragraphs and paragraphs every update about how the devs don't give Alexia enough attention. I've noticed that the NTR gang tends to be very chill and subdued outside of the mandatory "more Alexia content!" one-sentencer posts. You bide your time and wait, because you know that this is a big game with a lot of routes and a lot of fetishes, and that's fine.

I mean, if you're not into the NTR, you're within your rights to advocate for more mdom. You're within your rights to talk shit and make jokes about the NTR gang being a bunch of cucks and so on. But I've noticed that the anti-NTR gang has a tendency to get angry in a way that's kinda wild and get all up in everyone's faces about it. It's a little ridiculous and it sucks the air out of the conversation in this thread.

This post isn't pertaining specifically to the recent conversation about Rowan's height either, but I've noticed that this is a recurring thread that I've noticed since I became a fan of this game.

 

[T51bwinterized]

The constant shrieking over the mdom vs. NTR shit is kinda annoying because it is so rare that a game has well-written NTR, can you just let it slide? Please? I mean, mdom (either in soft or hard forms) has always been the most common genre of not only hentai games but all pornography in general. Good, well-written NTR is so fuckin' rare. And besides, Rowan-focused sex is still the main focus of this game anyway (even if that "main focus" is a 60/40 split or whatever), and so there's a helluva lot of mdom content that comes out of that as a result.

I'll be honest: I play this game only for the Alexia content. I became a Patreon sub only for the Alexia content. I suspect that at least 30% to 40% of the player-base is in the same camp. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about Rowan — if I want to watch a buff dude bang the shit out of some chick, I'll just watch ExploitedCollegeGirls or some shit. But to each their own, y'know? It is what it is. And while I do advocate for more Alexia content in this forum (okay, I do post some dumb shit as well but that's for jokes), you don't see me getting all mad and writing paragraphs and paragraphs every update about how the devs don't give Alexia enough attention. I've noticed that the NTR gang tends to be very chill and subdued outside of the mandatory "more Alexia content!" one-sentencer posts. You bide your time and wait, because you know that this is a big game with a lot of routes and a lot of fetishes, and that's fine.

I mean, if you're not into the NTR, you're within your rights to advocate for more mdom. You're within your rights to talk shit and make jokes about the NTR gang being a bunch of cucks and so on. But I've noticed that the anti-NTR gang has a tendency to get angry in a way that's kinda wild and get all up in everyone's faces about it. It's a little ridiculous and it sucks the air out of the conversation in this thread.

This post isn't pertaining specifically to the recent conversation about Rowan's height either, but I've noticed that this is a recurring thread that I've noticed since I became a fan of this game.

Good news. We're giving you more Alexia NTR this update.

 

[lamebrain]

Good news. We're giving you more Alexia NTR this update.

That's awesome. Though, I wasn't making that post to advocate for more Alexia either.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Personally, I have a diverse palate when it comes to content preferences. Though for me it tends to come in waves, were I'm really into one kink for a while before moving on to something else. Sometimes I'm into NTR, sometimes I'm into mdom, sometimes fdom, sometimes I get into futa, sometimes I just want something wholesome and vanilla. Of course there are plenty of things that I never get into, but if those things are your thing more power to you. There are very few things that I absolutely cannot tolerate the existence of.

One thing that I don't think SoC gets enough credit for, is the diversity of its content. For all the hate it gets for NTR there really isn't any one content type that is overwhelmingly present over the others. But at the same time if you are really into one certain type of content the game could easily leave you wanting more as it moves on to other interests. Hence why we often see people begging for more of a certain type of content.

But I think the real problem is when there is a certain type of content that you really dislike, maybe even hate. Numerous studies have shown that our brains give more weight to negative experiences that to positive experiences, at about a 3 to 1 ratio. So when people play the game, and encounter the "negative" content that sticks in their memory far more strongly that the "positive" content they encounter. Therefore when they reflect on their experience they feel like the game was just full of that "negative" content. The "positive" content just seems so much less in comparison, and the "just okay" content is nearly completely forgotten. But if they were to actually count the scenes they encountered they would see that there wasn't nearly as much as they thought there was.

 

[monk_56]

The constant shrieking over the mdom vs. NTR shit is kinda annoying because it is so rare that a game has well-written NTR, can you just let it slide? Please? I mean, mdom (either in soft or hard forms) has always been the most common genre of not only hentai games but all pornography in general. Good, well-written NTR is so fuckin' rare. And besides, Rowan-focused sex is still the main focus of this game anyway (even if that "main focus" is a 60/40 split or whatever), and so there's a helluva lot of mdom content that comes out of that as a result.

I'll be honest: I play this game only for the Alexia content. I became a Patreon sub only for the Alexia content. I suspect that at least 30% to 40% of the player-base is in the same camp. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about Rowan — if I want to watch a buff dude bang the shit out of some chick, I'll just watch ExploitedCollegeGirls or some shit. But to each their own, y'know? It is what it is. And while I do advocate for more Alexia content in this forum (okay, I do post some dumb shit as well but that's for jokes), you don't see me getting all mad and writing paragraphs and paragraphs every update about how the devs don't give Alexia enough attention. I've noticed that the NTR gang tends to be very chill and subdued outside of the mandatory "more Alexia content!" one-sentencer posts. You bide your time and wait, because you know that this is a big game with a lot of routes and a lot of fetishes, and that's fine.

I mean, if you're not into the NTR, you're within your rights to advocate for more mdom. You're within your rights to talk shit and make jokes about the NTR gang being a bunch of cucks and so on. But I've noticed that the anti-NTR gang has a tendency to get angry in a way that's kinda wild and get all up in everyone's faces about it. It's a little ridiculous and it sucks the air out of the conversation in this thread.

This post isn't pertaining specifically to the recent conversation about Rowan's height either, but I've noticed that this is a recurring thread that I've noticed since I became a fan of this game.

Comparing the quality of MDom writing in SoC to the offal offered by a porno is laughable. Like- its not a fair substitution.

There are very few avenues to get high quality well-written MDom narrative in a fantasy 2dCG game. If you know of any let me know ^_^. You are right that there are plenty of crappy Maledom Pornos, but its not the same product at all. If we look at porno there are also plenty of crappy cuckoldry porno too- most of them have racial undertones.

I'm not taking umbrage with the fact that there is NTR in the game- though obviously I'm not a fan. My umbrage is specifically with how pathetic Rowan is- and its hard not to connect that fact to the concept that it enhances the NTR plot. Like, include NTR- its fine. But the other side of the equation shouldn't be so incredibly flaccid.

You are right, its hard to give a fuck about Rowan. He is spineless, weak, effeminate, passive, dominated; showing very little initiative to protect himself and the ones he loves, he always acts reactively to what other people do rarely ever taking any initiative. I thought he was going to cry like a baby at the end of the Rastdel plot- he just clammed down and took it like a bitch on every single route- his will to fight back was totally crushed. Maybe this is the lowest point on his timeline or something and he will get better post Rastdel after he has time to process or something- but its hard to think of him as anything but pathetic the way he constantly gets dumped on in SoC and how he reacts. He has some good Mdom content for sure- Liurial, Patricia, some of the Cla-min events, but unless it is specifically a MDom route - he doesn't feel dominant at all- he feels dominated.

 

[lamebrain]

Comparing the quality of MDom writing in SoC to the offal offered by a porno is laughable. Like- its not a fair substitution.

There are very few avenues to get high quality well-written MDom narrative in a fantasy 2dCG game. If you know of any let me know ^_^. If we look at porno there are also plenty of crappy cuckoldry pornos as well- most of them have racial undertones.

I'm not taking umbrage with the fact that there is NTR in the game- though obviously I'm not a fan. My umbrage is specifically with how pathetic Rowan is- and its hard not to connect that fact to the concept that it enhances the NTR plot. Like, include NTR- its fine. But the other side of the equation shouldn't be so incredibly flaccid.

You are right, its hard to give a fuck about Rowan. For me it is because the way he is drawn and written. Spineless, weak, effeminate, passive, dominated; showing very little initiative to protect himself and the ones he loves, he always acts reactively to what other people do rarely ever taking any initiative. I thought he was going to cry like a baby at the end of the Rastdel plot- he just clammed down and took it like a bitch on every single route. He has some good Mdom content for sure- Liurial, Patricia, some of the Cla-min events. Maybe this is the lowest point on his timeline or something and he will get better post Rastdel after he has time to process or something- but its hard to think of him as anything but pathetic the way he constantly gets dumped on in SoC and how he reacts. He doesn't feel dominant at all- he feels dominated. With the exception of a few specifically designed weak characters who are somehow even weaker than him.

The way that Rowan is characterised logically flows from the premise of the game. He is kidnapped by demons who sexually exploit him and his wife. That is quite literally the opening premise of the game. It makes sense for him to act in a reactive manner because he's literally a prisoner. It makes sense for the mdom routes to have him domming "those weaker than him", as you say. I mean, what is he supposed to do, dom Andras?

Yes, this premise is conducive to Alexia's NTR route. I think that's the point. But a lot of the exciting tension of the plot revolves around how Rowan might be corrupted and how he might adopt many of the cruel dom-ish characteristics of his captor, Andras. The tension between Rowan's own position as someone being exploited and weakened by the NTR of his wife, and how he "takes out" his anguish by exploiting and using others, is what makes him interesting and compelling as a character. A great example of that is the Helayna plot arc, which is full of mdom (a lot of "training" and so on, a lot of Alexia getting cucked). I think these contextual elements are specifically what makes the mdom in this game spicier than other games. And if you are after mdom where the main character is just a one-dimensional buff meathead who bangs his way through a horde of submissive chicks — then you've got like ten or more fully-developed games in the Rance series that is just that and nothing else.

I don't give a fuck about Rowan because I don't really find mdom hentai very exciting in terms of me wacking my pee-pee, not because he isn't well-written. On the contrary, as I allude to above, he's very well-written.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

You are right, its hard to give a fuck about Rowan. For me it is because the way he is drawn and written. Spineless, weak, effeminate, passive, dominated; showing very little initiative to protect himself and the ones he loves, he always acts reactively to what other people do rarely ever taking any initiative. I thought he was going to cry like a baby at the end of the Rastdel plot- he just clammed down and took it like a bitch on every single route. He has some good Mdom content for sure- Liurial, Patricia, some of the Cla-min events. Maybe this is the lowest point on his timeline or something and he will get better post Rastdel after he has time to process or something- but its hard to think of him as anything but pathetic the way he constantly gets dumped on in SoC and how he reacts. Unless it is specifically a MDom route - he doesn't feel dominant at all- he feels dominated.

I would ask, what do you expect Rowan to do in his situation. He is surrounded by enemies, most of them are significantly more powerful than he is, they have is wife hostage, and they can instantly teleport either him or his wife back to them anytime they want. He can't act overtly because he can't trust anyone around him. The reason he doesn't seem dominate is because he is not in a dominate position because he is a prisoner an a slave. Honestly, I think the best move for him right now is to go along with them and appear to either be won over or broken, while watching for opportunities that he can take advantage of and building up a power base that he can eventually use against them all the while.

And I think he is potentially is doing a good job of that (player choices withstanding of course). There are several scene in which Rowan can undermine the twins' efforts, most of them are not in huge ways but that is because Rowan has been dealt a weak hand and the consequences of getting caught would be quite high. He has to try to keep his rebellions subtle and have plausible deniability should anything be found. Also he has been making great strides at making allies among his enemies. At the end of their act 1 arcs nearly everyone important in the castle see him as a friend, respect him, and/or love him. Of course he can't immediate weaponize those feelings. If you just started seriously dating someone and they asked you to help them over throw the government you'd probably back away pretty quickly. However most of these people are not particularly opposed to violence and are not overly loyal to the twins either. Another arc's worth of convincing and an offer of a better deal could go a long way to turning things around.

 

[monk_56]

The way that Rowan is characterised logically flows from the premise of the game. He is kidnapped by demons who sexually exploit him and his wife. That is quite literally the opening premise of the game. It makes sense for him to act in a reactive manner because he's literally a prisoner. It makes sense for the mdom routes to have him domming "those weaker than him", as you say. I mean, what is he supposed to do, dom Andras?

Yes, this premise is conducive to Alexia's NTR route. I think that's the point. But a lot of the exciting tension of the plot revolves around how Rowan might be corrupted and how he might adopt many of the cruel dom-ish characteristics of his captor, Andras. The tension between Rowan's own position as someone being exploited and weakened by the NTR of his wife, and how he "takes out" his anguish by exploiting and using others, is what makes him interesting and compelling as a character. A great example of that is the Helayna plot arc, which is full of mdom (a lot of "training" and so on, a lot of Alexia getting cucked). I think these contextual elements are specifically what makes the mdom in this game spicier than other games. And if you are after mdom where the main character is just a one-dimensional buff meathead who bangs his way through a horde of submissive chicks — then you've got like ten or more fully-developed games in the Rance series that is just that and nothing else.

I don't give a fuck about Rowan because I don't really find mdom hentai very exciting in terms of me wacking my pee-pee, not because he isn't well-written. On the contrary, as I allude to above, he's very well-written.

Doming Andras? Hyperbolic! I dunno maybe in 10 years from now

Very articulate. I enjoy discussion with you.
So the argument is that he is very well written for the MC in a NTR focused plot? Yeah- I totally agree. That is pretty much my point as well.

My point was that the other side of the coin- the pathing where he resists, is heroic, dominates, gains power ect is underdeveloped. Like some of threads are all there- but its not bourne out in the narrative. Will we ever get that plot? Or will the game stay focused on these NTR and submissive threads. Rowan does so much losing you'd think he was on a weight-loss T.V. program