Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[litamagsin]

789

What are the plans for the cheating Alexia plot?Will Rowan ever learn about the situation and react to it or it will essentially be like the Greyhide's route where Rowan accepts the situation and simply leaves her because she basically became a slave for Jezera/Andras? If its the second one wouldnt that make the idea behind the cheating route obsolete?
Will Alexia betray Rowan for the twins?Will she spy on Rowan for them?

 

[T51bwinterized]

What are the plans for the cheating Alexia plot?Will Rowan ever learn about the situation and react to it or it will essentially be like the Greyhide's route where Rowan accepts the situation and simply leaves her because she basically became a slave for Jezera/Andras? If its the second one wouldnt that make the idea behind the cheating route obsolete?
Will Alexia betray Rowan for the twins?Will she spy on Rowan for them?

789

 

[litamagsin]

789

What does the 789 mean?

 

[diebesgrab]

???????????????

Well, you see, 6 is afraid of 7.

 

[AimlessFool]

Even though I rejected Delane all 3 events this time the game says that Rowan took her a second time after her last scene in noble lounge is that a bug?

 

[AimlessFool]

789

What?

 

[Pavann2]

Seeds of Chaos Extended Scene Replay Mod
by MonkOne​

Features:

• Add all scenes in Walkthrough file to scenes replay.
• Option to filterout NTR and/or gay scenes in scenes replay.

Download:

• Attachment

Install:

• Extract downloaded archive into game folder(where executable file is).

Changelog:
Version 0304M:

• Update to game version 0.3.04. All new scenes with cg and new cgs added to replay.

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Can you update this one for 3.06

 

[rivon]

Time for some critical feedback!
The goblin recruitment ark isn't look bad per say its just the general flavor it give me feels off and in odds with main story ark.
It's like it taken from a different game that is going for different thing thematically.
My grapes with it is in consistency of storytelling. Is it dark fantasy (Witcher/ Berserk like) or it is comedy style fantasy/fairy-tail that's not taking itself too serous? I'm not sure it possible to do both in one game.
To make an example I'm sure you probably acquainted with Terry Pratchett novels and his comedy fantasy and its feels more like it. So i'm suddenly thrown out of dark fantasy story ark written by R.R. Martin where everyone backstab each other and fuck right in to the light-hearted comical fantasy.
Majority of people are there just to jerk off and call it a day so they probably wont even notice.
But when i read parts written by Rein, Arioch and Winter i see that all of them write in the same kind of style and keep consistency of their storytelling in different arks trying to give the reader impression its all written by one author and not small story arks written by different writers going for there own thing.
To sum it up I won't say goblin recruitment ark is bad, its not. it's just obviously aiming with its happy go lucky mood at different audience.
Considering that Exagie is stepping down and Winter and Rein gonna handle goblin ark may be something could be done about it if my critic make sense. or we will be left with this runaway from Disneyland goblins.

 

[Rein]

Yeah, including such a cheerful and honest bunch in a world that usually has tons of backstabbing.

What were the writers thinking.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Time for some critical feedback!
The goblin recruitment ark isn't look bad per say its just the general flavor it give me feels off and in odds with main story ark.
It's like it taken from a different game that is going for different thing thematically.
My grapes with it is in consistency of storytelling. Is it dark fantasy (Witcher/ Berserk like) or it is comedy style fantasy/fairy-tail that's not taking itself too serous? I'm not sure it possible to do both in one game.
To make an example I'm sure you probably acquainted with Terry Pratchett novels and his comedy fantasy and its feels more like it. So i'm suddenly thrown out of dark fantasy story ark written by R.R. Martin where everyone backstab each other and fuck right in to the light-hearted comical fantasy.
Majority of people are there just to jerk off and call it a day so they probably wont even notice.
But when i read parts written by Rein, Arioch and Winter i see that all of them write in the same kind of style and keep consistency of their storytelling in different arks trying to give the reader impression its all written by one author and not small story arks written by different writers going for there own thing.
To sum it up I won't say goblin recruitment ark is bad, its not. it's just obviously aiming with its happy go lucky mood at different audience.
Considering that Exagie is stepping down and Winter and Rein gonna handle goblin ark may be something could be done about it if my critic make sense. or we will be left with this runaway from Disneyland goblins.

The goblins having a bit more of a light hearted feel is by design and has been consistent since the earliest discussions on it. A storyline about brutal Orc warlords is going to have a different vibe then the one about the fast-talking goblin swindler kingdom. We want that. People who want to be in grimdark land play the orc plotline and skip it. Players that like a bit more slapdash can come and spend time in gobbo land. You'll recall that Cla-Min has been in the game for years and the Goblin Plotline is tonally much closer to Cla-Min scenes than anything else in the game. When we were thinking up a plotline, we talked a lot about how we wanted to offer a tone that fits with that.

 

[PhantomKnight55]

I have a problem with the orc forces, that have stuck at 30 and don't recruit any more

 

[rivon]

So it was intentional.
Little bit for everyone ha? it make sense in attracting broader audience. but watering down the base line.
I do understand that, Goblins was intended as comic relief from the very beginning.
but can it be done somehow more smartly or intelligent?
For example this wannabe Rowan goblin, i know it suppose to be funny but it looks goofy and kind of dumb.
Even if you trying to please everyone in the same time, all this side plots must be stitched together resanable well to remain cohesive and not in odds with each other!

 

[AimlessFool]

Anyone else thinks that Andras/Alexia route feels a bit rushed?She suddenly loses her mind becomes a toy for Andras.It just feels like an endgame situation.
This game supposed have 3 separate acts and it feels like that we already reached the end of that story.If Alexia ends up becoming just a slave to Andras then her character loses her core element.She IS the wife of Rowan.Rowan essentially sold his soul to Twins just to save her.This is why I disliked the Greyhide route where Rowan just accepts the fact that Alexia is attracted to Greyhide then leaves her.And besides if Alexia is no more Rowan's wife then the story stops being a cheating/NTR plot.It becomes a story where Rowan sees his ex with her new boyfriend.In the current version of the Rowan doesn't even know about this situation if you play the NTR route. I hope that the game won"t just start an event where Alexia end things with Rowan for her new partner at the end of Act 1.I believe its still to early for that.A story where Alexia betrays her husband and sabotages his plans for the approval of her new partner would be interesting.Or a scene where Rowan catches them where Alexia denies the fact and blames it on some sort of magic just like the end scene of the succubus event would also be interesting.What I am saying is that if the game suddenly decides that Alexia is no longer Rowan's wife she loses her character.I want Rowan to be devastated from the revelation that his wife have been betraying him with her "kidnappers".

 

[litamagsin]

Yeah, including such a cheerful and honest bunch in a world that usually has tons of backstabbing.

What were the writers thinking.

What are the plans for the cheating Alexia plot?Will Rowan ever learn about the situation and react to it or it will essentially be like the Greyhide's route where Rowan accepts the situation and simply leaves her because she basically became a slave for Jezera/Andras? If its the second one wouldnt that make the idea behind the cheating route obsolete?
Will Alexia betray Rowan for the twins?Will she spy on Rowan for them?

 

[T51bwinterized]

So it was intentional.
Little bit for everyone ha? it make sense in attracting broader audience. but watering down the base line.
I do understand that, Goblins was intended as comic relief from the very beginning.
but can it be done somehow more smartly or intelligent?
For example this wannabe Rowan goblin, i know it suppose to be funny but it looks goofy and kind of dumb.
Even if you trying to please everyone in the same time, all this side plots must be stitched together resanable well to remain cohesive and not in odds with each other!

We're not watering anything down. Seeds of Chaos is simply capable of maintaining a reasonable range of tones. They're also not "comic relief". The Goblimony Matrimony will have more moments of brevity then the Orciad. But, it's not about to be a comedy plot either. The Goblins can be quite vicious when they want to be, and the Goblin war has done a real number on their society.

My request is simply to reserve judgement until you have seen more of where we plan to go with it all.

 

[T51bwinterized]

What are the plans for the cheating Alexia plot?Will Rowan ever learn about the situation and react to it or it will essentially be like the Greyhide's route where Rowan accepts the situation and simply leaves her because she basically became a slave for Jezera/Andras? If its the second one wouldnt that make the idea behind the cheating route obsolete?
Will Alexia betray Rowan for the twins?Will she spy on Rowan for them?

Yes

 

[litamagsin]

Yes

yes for what?

 

[T51bwinterized]

We do have plans for the Alexia corruption arc. And we're excited to share them all with you guys...when we release all that exciting future content!

 

[fihesog318]

Anyone else thinks that Andras/Alexia route feels a bit rushed?She suddenly loses her mind becomes a toy for Andras.It just feels like an endgame situation.
This game supposed have 3 separate acts and it feels like that we already reached the end of that story.If Alexia ends up becoming just a slave to Andras then her character loses her core element.She IS the wife of Rowan.Rowan essentially sold his soul to Twins just to save her.This is why I disliked the Greyhide route where Rowan just accepts the fact that Alexia is attracted to Greyhide then leaves her.And besides if Alexia is no more Rowan's wife then the story stops being a cheating/NTR plot.It becomes a story where Rowan sees his ex with her new boyfriend.In the current version of the Rowan doesn't even know about this situation if you play the NTR route. I hope that the game won"t just start an event where Alexia end things with Rowan for her new partner at the end of Act 1.I believe its still to early for that.A story where Alexia betrays her husband and sabotages his plans for the approval of her new partner would be interesting.Or a scene where Rowan catches them where Alexia denies the fact and blames it on some sort of magic just like the end scene of the succubus event would also be interesting.What I am saying is that if the game suddenly decides that Alexia is no longer Rowan's wife she loses her character.I want Rowan to be devastated from the revelation that his wife have been betraying him with her "kidnappers".

I had a similar complaint when they changed the initial Andras x Alexia NTR sex from Andras tricking Alexia into Alexia choosing Andras even though she knows her husband is still alive. That is quite a leap! But I am guessing they changed that to make it less rapey for perhaps Patreon censorship reasons. I liked the old way of Alexia hating that Andras tricked her and hating Andras afterwards leading to a slow build of Andras corrupting her, even though she hates him, until she eventually chooses to fuck him willingly.

 

[monk_56]

TL/DR: Gob plot is a welcome change of pace / interesting new vibe that is definitely still dark. Its just darkness painted with a coat of absurdism / deception.

I'm pretty sure the Gob plot is the brain child of Winter / Rein even though Ex was working on writing the prose for it (she killed it btw, I'm kinda bummed she won't be working on it in the future).

Rivon seems to have missed the point about the gob plot. Acting nice and cheerful ≠ being kind / no darkness.

There is Levity to it- but there is still a lot of darkness beneath.

The gobs "act" lighthearted- they are genuinely unbothered by a lot of things that would be considered atrocities by humans. it is a cultural phenomenon. There is something even more terrifying about how normalized this sort of thing is in their society.

These malicious plot points that have already been laid out about the Blackholt goblins.

Zii-giggles about being a Rapist and shrugs off culpability / treats most things like they are just a funny game.
Tue-Row causally dismisses assassination attempts- and just kinda gets on with his day like it is business as usual.
Tue-Row has removed more bodies from the census than any of the orcs in Orcaide have- mostly his own people.
Tue-Row casually betraying and *literally* stabbing one of his closest friends.

The Goblins have "The Joker" energy. They are little psycho murder-bots. Just because they "Act" light hearted about it doesn't mean that plot isn't going to have dark moments- the axe will drop repeatedly on this shit. Just pay attention to the narrative threads being built up. The Blackholt Goblins are little fuckers.

Game doesn't need to browbeat every plot to death with stereotypical Zug-Zug Grim-Dark like we have in Orcaide. It is nice that the Gob plot includes a more unique culture. It fits the setting that they would have their own sort of vibe as well since they are deeply isolationist.

*Side note- it is rather interesting how the Goblins skirmish (when they are doing the more ritualistic version- not with the intent to kill.) It reminds me a bit of how animals 'play fight' in the wild. It helps them build up their skills - doesn't reduce their numbers as much ect. Provides a nice dose of 'biological fitness' if they need to fight with killing intent later. An interesting detail.

*additional side note: Tue-Row's willingness to commit war-crimes in pursuit of his goals parallels some iterations of Rowan, which is an interesting parallel. In some ways Tue-Row reminds me of Armstrong from MGS a bit. A lot of what he says makes sense- but he might be just as deluded. He is a rather compelling ally / hypothetical antagonist.