Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.12a Non-Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

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aesir150

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ffive said:
It's actually just the intro that got the overhaul. What you get afterwards remains roughly the same, with some bits pruned and some added.

It's pretty easy to check and compare if one's willing -- the free build of the game at itch.io is 0.2.47, from 3 years ago (it was posted in September 2019)
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Even if it is just the intro it shows that the devs actually care about the quality of the product rather than doing things to just get it done.

The fact that they redid any of the art amazes me cause usually that is the thing that developers can't change as easy as dialogue. And the fact that they redid the intro also shows that they aren't just going to just keep churning out content for the sake of content. That they are willing to redo parts that they view the game is weak on and polish it up.

So far the only thing I think they are lacking in is a few quality of life interface chances, otherwise I think this game is the perfect example of devs who are actually passionate about their project rather than just churning out a product.

For instance in the gallery not sure why they only have back and forth arrows for pages instead of also including page numbers like how the save screen has so you don't have to click through like 30 pages everytime you want to view a a unlocked CG.

They also still have some pretty obvious spelling errors here and there but not going to knock them for that too had.
 
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ffive

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aesir150 said:
The fact that they redid any of the art amazes me cause usually that is the thing that developers can't change as easy as dialogue. And the fact that they redid the intro also shows that they aren't just going to just keep churning out content for the sake of content. That they are willing to redo parts that they view the game is weak on and polish it up.
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To me it's problematic, because it shows what i'd consider a misunderstanding of what's ultimately purpose of development, and that's delivering a completed product in timely manner. The amount of resources you have at your disposal is limited; allocating them to redo existing bits and pieces when you don't yet have the complete picture (or even sketch really) how the entire thing is going to play out --this including the possibility you'll come to conclusion down the road these redone pieces need to be changed yet again to match or facilitate what was added-- it's something that borders on squandering these resources.

Redoing content is no better from churning out content from this point of view. It can be even considered worse, because after the fact you're still where you were and not anywhere closer to completing your goal. That you're looking a bit prettier doesn't change it.
 
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ffive said:
To me it's problematic, because it shows what i'd consider a misunderstanding of what's ultimately purpose of development, and that's delivering a completed product in timely manner. The amount of resources you have at your disposal is limited; allocating them to redo existing bits and pieces when you don't yet have the complete picture (or even sketch really) how the entire thing is going to play out --this including the possibility you'll come to conclusion down the road these redone pieces need to be changed yet again to match or facilitate what was added-- it's something that borders on squandering these resources.

Redoing content is no better from churning out content from this point of view. It can be even considered worse, because after the fact you're still where you were and not anywhere closer to completing your goal. That you're looking a bit prettier doesn't change it.
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I disagree because every project always has rough drafts and revisions. The biggest example of squandering resources is just doing things to get them finished and then abandoning the project to just start a new one again from scratch that has the same exact growing pains.

We see all the time with games these days where the game industry hasn't advance in terms of polish and game design, where every single game is remade from scratch with little to no polish instead of building on the pre-existing work. Using Total War game franchise and Farming Simulator, where they essentially remake the same game over and over from scratch with no real progress to simply release the game to meet arbitrary deadlines. Instead of just working and improving the current game to make it the perfect one.
 
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aesir150 said:
I disagree because every project always has rough drafts and revisions.
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Yes, but you need to have that actual draft first. Not stop in the middle of making it and instead obsess whether a shirt of one of the characters has nice enough wrinkles, focusing on it rather than get that draft done.

We see all the time with games these days where the game industry hasn't advance in terms of polish and game design, where every single game is remade from scratch with little to no polish instead of building on the pre-existing work. Using Total War game franchise and Farming Simulator, where they essentially remake the same game over and over from scratch with no real progress to simply release the game to meet arbitrary deadlines. Instead of just working and improving the current game to make it the perfect one.
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You're completely wrong if you believe titles like Total War or Farming Simulator are redoing things from scratch with each installment, vs iterating on what they already have. Or that they don't go through rounds of polish while they're developed.
 
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You're completely wrong if you believe titles like Total War or Farming Simulator are redoing things from scratch with each installment, vs iterating on what they already have. Or that they don't go through rounds of polish while they're developed.
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Talking about a narrative perspective, the biggest problem of any writer of a story is the development or construction of the characters and how they fit in the world, for an example, the first version of The Hobbit needed to changed a few lines in the interaction between Bilbo & Gollum to fit in the nature of the world and One Ring on it described in it's sequel The Lord of The Rings. It's something that can happen to anyone that's developing a complex story.

So knowing this, i hoped for this Arioch or whoever responsible had done main story in a .docx file stored in his PC finished until ACT III, and whatever side stories that is included or planning must fit on it, moreover than just adding more porn or more gore, some will be grateful for the narrative coherence of the characters, some here wrote a lot about that before (including me), the game still have enough space to cover them by adding or changing some lines carefully.
 
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I'm in the goblin arc and I have only one option left in the goblin camp that repeats and that is to talk with Tue-Row. How am I suppose to continue the arc or did I misread and isnt the goblin recruitment arc finished yet?
 
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Muchos said:
I'm in the goblin arc and I have only one option left in the goblin camp that repeats and that is to talk with Tue-Row. How am I suppose to continue the arc or did I misread and isnt the goblin recruitment arc finished yet?
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It is not finished
 
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Maayu said:
Would be cool if we got something like path tree, to see which path we did and which we didn't like in Detroit: Become Human
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It would be cool if/when they have established paths/endings since right now we can assume that there is a "good path" where Rowan is going against the Twins but it's gonna branch like hell if you choose the corrupt path
 
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opaquecake said:
Updating MonkOne's original gallery mod for the newer versions since 0.3.05.

Install: Unzip all of the files into the game's "game" folder, then launch and go to "Bonus" -> "Scene Replay".

If you find any bugs, please let me know.

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can't start game with your mod

I'm sorry, but errors were detected in your script. Please correct the
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The label heartsong_dream_1_rp is defined twice, at
File "game/gallery_replays.rpy", line 76590 and
File "game/gallery_replays.rpy", line 76937.

The label heartsong_dream_2_rp is defined twice, at
File "game/gallery_replays.rpy", line 76709 and
File "game/gallery_replays.rpy", line 77056.

Ren'Py Version: Ren'Py 7.3.5.606
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ffive

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Leonhart245 said:
But, once a month I am informed that Rowan is not corrupted and continues to save lives.
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Game doesn't make a fuss about early stages of corruption, which is what you see here. That red aura can get much larger and that's when the game takes notice.
 
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