Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[Nym85]

The issue here isn't scope. You can have all the scope you want, Sierra be my witness. The real issue either a lack of will to actually live up to that scope and stop the steady Patreon cash cow income, or incompetence on a level matched only by the most mismanaged Hoi4 mods (which for those unaware is saying a lot). If it's the former, the scope is actually just a nonexistent smokescreen to squeeze money out of fans and meaningless as a concept to be discussed. If it's the latter, then no amount of scope reduction would help without essentially killing the concept. I don't know which idea is sadder given that I've seen much, much smaller teams get infinitely more done in far less time for far less money than this. It's barely changed in the 5 years since I last tried it.

I adore the concept. I've wanted this to succeed for the longest time. I made this account to keep a better eye on this. But the team, to quote a friend of mine, "lacks the stuff" to actually carry it to its conclusion.

I don't see this as milking. They supposedly are going to have 3 acts and are in act 1. They could move at a decent pace and still keep Patreon up for a decade.
Personally I think it is burn out and mismanagement.

 

[bobi121]

wondering what 2 scenes are called in the unren menu.

first the new xratal scene
second whatever scene has this art View attachment 3938293

Jezeera absolutely begs to be bred.

 

[Kurokazewa]

I don't see this as milking. They supposedly are going to have 3 acts and are in act 1. They could move at a decent pace and still keep Patreon up for a decade.
Personally I think it is burn out and mismanagement.

Game first released 8 years ago and still on act 1. Regardless of if the intention is milking or not I don't think they will ever even see act 2 if they don't figure things out.

 

[Nym85]

Game first released 8 years ago and still on act 1. Regardless of if the intention is milking or not I don't think they will ever even see act 2 if they don't figure things out.

Sure. But that is a failed project. I objected to "milking" as a term because it implies that the dev is exploiting the patreons. As a term it has a clear (negative) moral value.

 

[Oriandu]

The issue here isn't scope. You can have all the scope you want, Sierra be my witness. The real issue either a lack of will to actually live up to that scope and stop the steady Patreon cash cow income, or incompetence on a level matched only by the most mismanaged Hoi4 mods (which for those unaware is saying a lot). If it's the former, the scope is actually just a nonexistent smokescreen to squeeze money out of fans and meaningless as a concept to be discussed. If it's the latter, then no amount of scope reduction would help without essentially killing the concept. I don't know which idea is sadder given that I've seen much, much smaller teams get infinitely more done in far less time for far less money than this. It's barely changed in the 5 years since I last tried it.

I adore the concept. I've wanted this to succeed for the longest time. I made this account to keep a better eye on this. But the team, to quote a friend of mine, "lacks the stuff" to actually carry it to its conclusion.

"Scope isn't the problem!" *immediately proceeds to explain why scope is actually the problem*

 

[Fleep]

I know I complain a lot about not seeing the end of this, but let's not be too pessimistic either. The game is moving forward, even if at a slow pace, and one by one the open plot threads are getting closed. After working on the same arcs, the writing team must obviously be burned out, but they seem passionate about the project and with the finish line so close, I can see them pushing through. Hell, judging by the roadmap that was posted, the NPCs arcs and the Fae are just about to get done. With some optimism, I can see at least one of them being over by the end of the year, leaving only the Goblins (of course) and the Astarte rewrite for next year. If I were them I'd leave the "Map" section tbh. We already have plenty of events and that work could be used in other areas.

Then, the arc 2 begins with new character arcs, new plots, new everything and the team can work on something fresh again.

 

[Nym85]

I also wonder if the sex is kept a bit more under control because this is just Act I. I don't know so much about the straight sex since I am mainly following this from the gay side of things, but Rowan's gay encounters are . . . fairly tame? Heck I'd say the roughest sex he's had so far was Andras at the intro. I'd hope with Act II things get more adventurous, slightly more kink and more group sex.

 

[Ellioto]

any update to the reply mod coming soon?

 

[Gopnikas]

"Scope isn't the problem!" *immediately proceeds to explain why scope is actually the problem*

Actually it's me explaining that regardless of scope the project would still be fucked be it because of malice or incompetence but whatever gets you going.

 

[Nym85]

Actually it's me explaining that regardless of scope the project would still be fucked be it because of malice or incompetence but whatever gets you going.

I think if the scope was more narrow, there would be less burn out so despite presumed incompetence, they'd still be moving faster.

 

[geoolympics]

any update to the reply mod coming soon?

the owner of the mod hasn't been seen since August 3rd

 

[Wiliam 1234567]

wondering what 2 scenes are called in the unren menu.

first the new xratal scene
second whatever scene has this art View attachment 3938293

Does anyone know how to find this scene?

 

[Raven_Light]

We might see the end of the first arc but I highly doubt we'll ever see the end of the second. The members of the development team who occasionally post her indicated that they already have ideas for more features that add nothing of value to the gameplay in the second game. Which is absolute insanity considering they completed the lion's share of the story for the first act a couple years ago and have been playing fill in the blanks with side content ever since. It has taken them over eight years to finish what a professional development team of the same size could complete in under a year. They make $10,000ish a month, which is obviously not enough for a development team of its size to work on full time, but at the same time they're eight years in and the team is still clearly a group of disorganized amateurs. The game is too big for how little play it offers.

They should of focused on the main story, main characters & and their ships(Rowan x Alexia, Rown x Jeerza/Andras and Alexia x Jeerza/Andras), and main secondary characters (Rowan x Alexia x Greyhide/X'zaratl/Clamin/Cliohna etc.) first then focus on the side characters/side stories, then continue on the story again etc. I don't see this game making it out of Act 1 "completely" (something shortened), or half way into act two. With all the rewrites on top of that which doesn't help progression either. Great game, because the sex is implemented into the story and decisions almost feel like they almost most of the time and the plot is fairly decent, but I'm betting it will become abandoned over time.

And I have question is Rain still working on this game, or did they left? Just curious cuz I hadn't seen him/her reply on here in while.

 

[Ajinkya22]

They should of focused on the main story, main characters & and their ships(Rowan x Alexia, Rown x Jeerza/Andras and Alexia x Jeerza/Andras), and main secondary characters (Rowan x Alexia x Greyhide/X'zaratl/Clamin/Cliohna etc.) first then focus on the side characters/side stories, then continue on the story again etc. I don't see this game making it out of Act 1 "completely" (something shortened), or half way into act two. With all the rewrites on top of that which doesn't help progression either. Great game, because the sex is implemented into the story and decisions almost feel like they almost most of the time and the plot is fairly decent, but I'm betting it will become abandoned over time.

And I have question is Rain still working on this game, or did they left? Just curious cuz I hadn't seen him/her reply on here in while.

Yes he is working on Astarte battle rewrite

 

[Ajinkya22]

Latest report

Things are well underway regarding the next release. I'm trying to make the most of my motivation and push forward with finishing the Andras NTR arc. It has undergone some positive changes due to my dissatisfaction with the original idea, and thanks to some discussions with Rein, who provided some excellent suggestions, I've come up with something I'm a lot happier with. The bad news (for me, not you lot) is that it has gone from requiring one event to wrap up before the epilogue to three more, but for those who enjoy this particular storyline, I think you'll be really happy with what is coming. I'm hoping to keep up the momentum and finish another event for the next release.

Moving away from myself to the other writers - DM and Winter are doing the same thing they did last week and collaborating on another Che-Lin event, so hopefully, we'll have another for the July release. Winter is also rolling solo on some Jezera content and a Rowan x Helayna scene and, hopefully, will have those to turn in. Speaking of Helayna, Nyx is busy this release, so may turn in a small Helayna event, but will likely be too busy to do anything. Likewise Hooky is also very busy and unlikely to be able to contribute anything. Rein, however, is continuing his monumental task of making the Battle of Astarte epic and hoping to finish the dominant Rowan version of the Jezera sex scene, so I look forward to more of that.

In terms of the new writers, all of them turned in good events for the last release, showing a decent enough grasp of the way we make the game, so we are onboarding them onto core content straight away to continue the push to finish Act I before I die of old age. Gern is working under Rein to help him finish out the X'zaratl NPC arc, while Roland is helping out on goblins, and whimrho is helping Hooky with fae. They'll all be turning in material relating to these areas for the next release.

 

[Jaceo013]

They should of focused on the main story, main characters & and their ships(Rowan x Alexia, Rown x Jeerza/Andras and Alexia x Jeerza/Andras), and main secondary characters (Rowan x Alexia x Greyhide/X'zaratl/Clamin/Cliohna etc.) first then focus on the side characters/side stories, then continue on the story again etc. I don't see this game making it out of Act 1 "completely" (something shortened), or half way into act two. With all the rewrites on top of that which doesn't help progression either. Great game, because the sex is implemented into the story and decisions almost feel like they almost most of the time and the plot is fairly decent, but I'm betting it will become abandoned over time.

And I have question is Rain still working on this game, or did they left? Just curious cuz I hadn't seen him/her reply on here in while.

I agree. It's been way too long since the last significant new Alexia x Andras scene. I think less new characters put in the mix and focus on the main pairings is better.

 

[ashkatchemall25]

It's clear the majority of these characters will be in Act 2, but I wonder how many new characters will make it considering the huge scope with the current number in Act 1.

 

[Kisama33]

It's clear the majority of these characters will be in Act 2, but I wonder how many new characters will make it considering the huge scope with the current number in Act 1.

I think it may be the opposite, the majority of the characters will not be there.

 

[Nym85]

It's clear the majority of these characters will be in Act 2, but I wonder how many new characters will make it considering the huge scope with the current number in Act 1.

Well for a fantasy story with orcs, with our two main characters living in a castle that houses an orc army, we need an orc character in the roster for both their stories so they can get some orc dick!

 

[Deleted member 6309797]

I think if the scope was more narrow, there would be less burn out so despite presumed incompetence, they'd still be moving faster.

Incompetence is how they ended up with a scope that needs to be dramatically narrowed down in the first place. What the devs have done here is the equivalent of Rachael Gunn in the Olympics; dramatically overestimated their abilities.