Nym85

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It is either that or:

1. Make the choices more or less irrelevant since all paths will be merged by the end.
2. Make an impossible attemp to create an complex ¨butterfly effect¨ that will make the game almost impossible to finish.

For me, this is the middle ground.
Honestly I think what they've done has worked fine. They just had two issues imo
a) they have overdeveloped the side character paths, likely because they want broad appeal and each fulfills a niche. Imo most of them have enough story to go into the second act, particularly some like the elf secretary, the goblin milf, the Andras NTR path or the drow boytoy.
b) they just messed up the gameplay element.
The skill system is overcomplicated for no payoff (I've said what I'd done to still keep it, have Rowan choose to have a major specialization and a minor one in Combat/Social interactions/Exploration that would give you replayability. No leveling. You pretty much autowin events that you are specialized in and have a great chance at the one you have a minor with).
The random elements have no payoff. They are limiting when it comes to ruler events, possibly leapfrogging over events you'd want to see if you advance non-random events too fast. They also keep you from seeing the events you WANT to see by not letting you focus enough on the character paths you are pursueing. Similarly the map random events have minimal payoff. Imo you could merge the map hexes and reduce the size of the map by a significant margin and it would still work. And fewer places should be random.

Another issue that imo is more minor; the timeline. You are fucking around for a year and a half until someone realizes you have infilitrated and taken down a major keep, taken control of the entire countryside and recruited a substantial army. I get Rastedel is dysfunctional but no one else has spies in the area? You need all the extra time ofc because a) the map has too many events, b) you get only one random event at the castle at a time.
My solution to that would be to take about two thirds of the ruler events and just attach them to the castle map as events you can activate. Then have everything happen in less than a year. Raeve should fall by week 10. Rastedel should fall by week 40-50.

Base building imo actually works, it is the one choice I enjoy making each week. Though the fact that you have 70+ weeks means that by Astarte battle, your choices don't really matter since you can have everything important unlocked.
 

maroder

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Another issue that imo is more minor; the timeline. You are fucking around for a year and a half until someone realizes you have infilitrated and taken down a major keep, taken control of the entire countryside and recruited a substantial army. I get Rastedel is dysfunctional but no one else has spies in the area? You need all the extra time ofc because a) the map has too many events, b) you get only one random event at the castle at a time.
My solution to that would be to take about two thirds of the ruler events and just attach them to the castle map as events you can activate. Then have everything happen in less than a year. Raeve should fall by week 10. Rastedel should fall by week 40-50.

Base building imo actually works, it is the one choice I enjoy making each week. Though the fact that you have 70+ weeks means that by Astarte battle, your choices don't really matter since you can have everything important unlocked.
time scales works for medieval fantasy setting. plus rossaira is having internal power struggle so reactions are much slower.
as for fact you are building the army how would spy's know? all of the orcs you recruit are already there and even you recruit them your headquarters is in bloodomen. twins are working with fucking teleportation advantage normal rules don't apply to them i dont think twins army is really assembled before astarte and even if it is bulk of them are in bloodomen which is quite literally unimageable for rosarians . also for standard how rowan dose should be taken 1 playthroughs not second or 3 one where you already know what you must do and how.
 
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Nym85

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time scales works for medieval fantasy setting. plus rossaira is having internal power struggle so reactions are much slower.
as for fact you are building the army how would spy's know? all of the orcs you recruit are already there and even you recruit them your headquarters is in bloodomen. twins are working with fucking teleportation advantage normal rules don't apply to them i dont think twins army is really assembled before astarte and even if it is bulk of them are in bloodomen which is quite literally unimageable for rosarians . also for standard how rowan dose should be taken 1 playthroughs not second or 3 one where you already know what you must do and how.
Before you even take Raeve keep down you will likely have sacked 2-3 villages and at least one abbey. No Solansian missionary went by visiting and found nothing? No tax collector from Rastedel arrived at a village only to find ruins or orcs? Rastedel has no scouts keeping track of orc and goblin movements in their territory?
 

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Before you even take Raeve keep down you will likely have sacked 2-3 villages and at least one abbey. No Solansian missionary went by visiting and found nothing? No tax collector from Rastedel arrived at a village only to find ruins or orcs? Rastedel has no scouts keeping track of orc and goblin movements in their territory?
goblin invasion is happening at the same time. villages are also being sacked in south thats where bulk of wardens forces are at the start of game. same is happening before arrival of rowan. Orc war band are already there attacks on villages is still happening before rowan takes command.
Rosaria is kind of shit and its duke going insane and not giving shit about anything dose not help it
 
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Ajinkya22

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goblin invasion is happening at the same time. villages are also being sacked in south thats where bulk of wardens forces are at the start of game. same is happening before arrival of rowan. Orc war band are already there attacks on villages is still happening before rowan takes command.
Rosaria is kind of shit and its duke going insane and not giving shit about anything dose not help it
and duke forcing citizens to sell their grains when famine come because of jezerras portal using
 

EricKeldrev

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For me personally the revenge path ends with Andras dead and Jezera falling for Rowan and with Rowan becoming overlord of the Realms. The way I see this happening is Rowan eventually getting the Dark Lord's power through the underground dark chamber that was uncovered by Nasim. I'm pretty sure once this chamber is up he will also solve the pregnancy issue. I believe this is going to happen in Act 2 as Nasim is already working to restore it to working condition.
Rowan basically becoming an incarnation of a dark god would be kind of cool to see. The twins are trying to corrupt Rowan and it getting out of hand very quickly as he becomes an evil deity far more powerful than they are would be interesting to see.

Use that to conquer everything and make a huge harem out of bloodmeen.
 
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maroder

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Rowan basically becoming an incarnation of a dark god would be kind of cool to see. The twins are trying to corrupt Rowan and it getting out of hand very quickly as he becomes an evil deity far more powerful than they are would be interesting to see.

Use that to conquer everything and make a huge harem out of bloodmeen.
i dont know about becoming god but killing twins and taking there place is most likely in cards
 

Ralpvolvos

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damn, 9 years and act 1 still havent finish....

the game is good and one of my favorite, also the 2d art are incredible if not one of the best.

let it marinate for a year because IIRC, last year the dev said they aim to finish act1 in late 2024....

but look like it suffer from too much branching, make me pessimistic that we will ever get to see the end.
 
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damn, 9 years and act 1 still havent finish....

the game is good and one of my favorite, also the 2d art are incredible if not one of the best.

let it marinate for a year because IIRC, last year the dev said they aim to finish act1 in late 2024....

but look like it suffer from too much branching, make me pessimistic that we will ever get to see the end.
Good honesty this game is like baldur's gate 3 with more sex.
 

sorjs53

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Good honesty this game is like baldur's gate 3 with more sex.
This is nowhere near close to BG3 aside from the fantasy setting. Larian at least polished the game and focused on getting it out. The devs have been working on this for almost a decade, rebuilt the mechanics, and still have not completed the first act? I've been saying they literally could've finished the game, polished it afterwards, and then go back to add more content for replayability. ATP there's no reason to run through the game in its entirety because it's unfinished and the current ending is so barebones
 

cmod44804

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Gotta say, after finishing the game (as it is now) with a "good guy biding his time" Rowan i have close to zero interest to continue playing. Mainly because i have accomplished NOTHING, zero, zip, zilch, nada; absolutely nothing was gained from selling my honor, my humanity. I haven't subverted the Twins in any meaningful way, I have zero plans for escape, I have zero allies who'd join me vs twins, I have zero information or plans to do anything at all. My "good guy in bad situatiuon" Rowan slaughtered, enslaved and raped countless innocent peasants and has nothing to show for it. For this kind of playthrough this is basically a misery simulator in which the only Good End is refusing to serve and dying in the cell before the game starts.
 

Nym85

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Gotta say, after finishing the game (as it is now) with a "good guy biding his time" Rowan i have close to zero interest to continue playing. Mainly because i have accomplished NOTHING, zero, zip, zilch, nada; absolutely nothing was gained from selling my honor, my humanity. I haven't subverted the Twins in any meaningful way, I have zero plans for escape, I have zero allies who'd join me vs twins, I have zero information or plans to do anything at all. My "good guy in bad situatiuon" Rowan slaughtered, enslaved and raped countless innocent peasants and has nothing to show for it. For this kind of playthrough this is basically a misery simulator in which the only Good End is refusing to serve and dying in the cell before the game starts.
I think right now the hope is that there will be some kind of bad (good?) end in the sabotage route at Astarte.
 

maroder

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Gotta say, after finishing the game (as it is now) with a "good guy biding his time" Rowan i have close to zero interest to continue playing. Mainly because i have accomplished NOTHING, zero, zip, zilch, nada; absolutely nothing was gained from selling my honor, my humanity. I haven't subverted the Twins in any meaningful way, I have zero plans for escape, I have zero allies who'd join me vs twins, I have zero information or plans to do anything at all. My "good guy in bad situatiuon" Rowan slaughtered, enslaved and raped countless innocent peasants and has nothing to show for it. For this kind of playthrough this is basically a misery simulator in which the only Good End is refusing to serve and dying in the cell before the game starts.
you can save warden or get other ally in rastadel and if you chose patricia you will bascily control it :BootyTime:
get orcs leader indebted to you same with goblins so that 2 army's there
get fey support and even proposal that maybe deposing twins wont be that bad
get minotaur on your side
get liruel and helyana
get delanaon your side, save Saintes's(one of hero's )
get chilona be on your side. she can literally can say that she dose not give fuck if you want to kill twins
get succubus spy and one of demons on your side
get favour of Karnas cult
get favour with zanim
get shagoth or wood spirit in your retinue(your personal troops ) plus get another orc chieftain in your retinue gorza blood axe.

but hey not all of us can succeed in things :BootyTime:
also Astarte war where you take control and try to sabotage twins is currently in works
 
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