HTML Seven Sins [Ch. 2 v1.6] [Lianland]

[Lianland]

Really needs a native English speaker to go over the text.

A better UI would be nice.

The save size being dependent on size of text seems weird.

Controllable text size would be good.

Add ability to rename saves so you can tell which path you have selected on which one.

Have text sit on a background it can stand out on, or different color/shadows/outlines. Blue text on gray as you have is almost unreadable.

The increases of stats are nice and all, but them put weird large spacing on the page. Why not have it as a pop over or something that goes away?

Decreasing numbers should not be the same color as increasing. Sure you can keep trust as Green, but there are dark and light shades of green which can separate them. Also it isn't great for color blind people.

That text between the characters isn't separated and is just one large color coded blob is hard to read.

As mentioned before having the MC change skin colors is not great.

When talking to lust in the park if you are on corrupt path and ask about the death, you skip anything previous.

You want to limit scrolling as much as possible so this fits well on pc and mobile.

1- Might happen, someone offered help recently

2- I don't understand what it means : dependant on size of text ?

3- Not entirely against that, but I fear it would mess up the layouts for some scenes. Need to think indepths on this subject

4- Wait.. It can be a thing ? Always played games where the saves couldn't be rename, so I kinda roll with it. But I definitely will allow that if possible.

5- Would be a bit of a bummer to go through all previous updates for that, but why not. The colorblind issue is a great point I haven't think of.

6- I don't understand, you're talking about the dialogue boxes ? Or something else ?

7- Same question : is it about video clips, or images like the cinema teacher ?

8- Really ? Never realised that when beta-testing. Will look up to this issue.

9- Understandable, can't promise It can always be possible (dialog-boxes take place), but I can try at least.

Thanks for the feedbacks !

 

[Lianland]

Is there a balanced ending? I got really curious the more I play this game.

Well, it depends. What is your idea of a balance ending ?

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[Lianland]

Hey dev could you make a online version for those of us who are mentally impeded by downloads ?

Not against the idea, but I don't know how to do this. There's an online version on itch that goes until the end of chapter 1, but that's it.

 

[Samu13]

1 - Never realised that could be an immersion-break thing. When you mention the male images, I assume you're talking about the cinema teacher ? Can change that easily. But if it's about the video clips, it might be an issue to find equally good content for specific scene.

The cinema teacher is mostly OK from what I've seen so far. What breaks the immersion is when you're having a sex scene and you're white in one image and black in the next. As I said, real porn game players know they have to make concessions on male characters looking different from clip to clip (though most good games create a sex scene from the same porn clip, so there's at least actor continuity in the same scene), but having the male MC switch races back and forth is immersion breaking for many people.

5- Would be a bit of a bummer to go through all previous updates for that, but why not. The colorblind issue is a great point I haven't think of.

You should make your html/css in such a way that changing colors/styles is as simple as just changing the CSS rule it applies to. Some games even let you select colors. Even without that, you should create your dialog boxes with something like class="marie dialog", so if you want to make a change to all dialogs (like size, background, border radius, etc) you just adjust the .dialog css rule and if you want to change Marie's text color you change the .marie class.
From what I see in your game you already do this, except for the right-aligned text walls, so if you get rid of those and stick to the dialog boxes, changing text color/size/font should be really easy in the future.

As a sidenote, using a bunch of tables to construct your html isn't usually a good idea because it's not very responsive, especially when watching on mobile. It's a little late now to change everything, since your game does have a huge amount of content, but you should look into responsive designs. Something like bootstrap can make things a lot simpler, especially for mobile viewing.

Personally, I'm enjoying the game a lot. I think your biggest problems are the grammar, which you say you're already looking into, the walls of text on the right, which you also say you're looking into, and the MC race switching issue, which I get might be more complicated to find good images to replace.
But other than those 3, most of the issues are smaller ones that can be overlooked or fixed in time and don't detract much from the experience.

The fact that you're actively engaging with the community and open to suggestions/change is also a great advantage for you. It leads to game improvement and an overall good experience for players. So keep up the good work

 

[Samu13]

Not against the idea, but I don't know how to do this. There's an online version on itch that goes until the end of chapter 1, but that's it.

Just check other html/real porn games and see which ones have online versions. On those, try to find out if it's a hosting service or not. Many of them use their own servers, though that's not an easy thing for an indie dev to implement/maintain, so try to find which of those have hosting services that you can place your game into.

In the end, though, if you can't afford one it's not a big deal. Many successful games like College Daze don't have offline versions and they do fine. It's a good way to increase your playerbase, but not mandatory.

 

[Lianland]

The cinema teacher is mostly OK from what I've seen so far. What breaks the immersion is when you're having a sex scene and you're white in one image and black in the next. As I said, real porn game players know they have to make concessions on male characters looking different from clip to clip (though most good games create a sex scene from the same porn clip, so there's at least actor continuity in the same scene), but having the male MC switch races back and forth is immersion breaking for many people.


You should make your html/css in such a way that changing colors/styles is as simple as just changing the CSS rule it applies to. Some games even let you select colors. Even without that, you should create your dialog boxes with something like class="marie dialog", so if you want to make a change to all dialogs (like size, background, border radius, etc) you just adjust the .dialog css rule and if you want to change Marie's text color you change the .marie class.
From what I see in your game you already do this, except for the right-aligned text walls, so if you get rid of those and stick to the dialog boxes, changing text color/size/font should be really easy in the future.

As a sidenote, using a bunch of tables to construct your html isn't usually a good idea because it's not very responsive, especially when watching on mobile. It's a little late now to change everything, since your game does have a huge amount of content, but you should look into responsive designs. Something like bootstrap can make things a lot simpler, especially for mobile viewing.

Personally, I'm enjoying the game a lot. I think your biggest problems are the grammar, which you say you're already looking into, the walls of text on the right, which you also say you're looking into, and the MC race switching issue, which I get might be more complicated to find good images to replace.
But other than those 3, most of the issues are smaller ones that can be overlooked or fixed in time and don't detract much from the experience.

The fact that you're actively engaging with the community and open to suggestions/change is also a great advantage for you. It leads to game improvement and an overall good experience for players. So keep up the good work

Aaaaaah, got what you're talking about ! I thought you wanted me to stick to one race for every scenes in the game. Which I wouldn't do, considering how monomaniac I am about the scenes I use. What you're refering to happens pretty much only in chapter 1, when I was relying on already existing webm vids. Since chapter 2, I download videos and edit clips myself, so they're consistent for the same scene. Could remain rare exceptions regarding chapter 1 characters, but that's something I can change at some point.

Yup, already doing the dialog-box thing, with a text doc having them all. But for the stats, I use the <span style="color"> variable manually.

Not gonna lie, I'm not a dev nor a coder. I basically discovered everything on the spot, by trying things on Seven Sins. Even now, I keep discovering better ways to do things (my coding during first updates could apply as an heresy lol). I'm more than eager to learn more efficient code techniques, will give a look to bootstrap.

Well, like I said I worked on SS for a year and a half without any feedbacks. So hell yes I'm happy to have suggestions, or talk about it with people !

 

[Samu13]

Aaaaaah, got what you're talking about ! I thought you wanted me to stick to one race for every scenes in the game. Which I wouldn't do, considering how monomaniac I am about the scenes I use.

Actually, being black in one scene and white in another is also a little immersion breaking. We play these games so we can get immersed as if we were the MC. Switching between older and younger, having tattoos or not, etc, is already a little immersion breaking but we're used to that. Changing races is as immersion breaking as if you were to place some futa MC scences in there as well. It feels like it's some other person doing the banging. It's easier to immerse in the game when the MC is either one all the way.

 

[Michael967]

Do the answers to Lily's date matter?

 

[Samu13]

Do the answers to Lily's date matter?

You get a better scene/more images when you get more right. For the record, the best answers are:
-Your own car
-Art exhibit
-Cosy restaurant
-Ask the waiter for wine
-You pay
-Fireworks
-Lovey Dovey

With those you get 15 out of 14 (probably a typo that should be fixed) and you get the highest amount of images, as well as better text/scene

 

[Sergellato]

Online version please

 

[MisterD3vil]

getting some image issues right in the beginning. The Sloth, prologue folders are not there.

 

[Garg22]

Okay, I'm playing from the beginning, and on chapter 1 when he first summons Lust I click on "Of Course" and it opens up the tutorial section, with no option for me to proceed.

EDIT: And now when I click on the X, something I tried a few times before, it allows me to move forward. So yeah, just ignore this.

 

[Samu13]

getting some image issues right in the beginning. The Sloth, prologue folders are not there.

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Try downloading again. Maybe win defender or an AV deleted the image? The problem should be on your end, not the download. You can try to troubleshoot by opening the zip file (without extracting, just opening) and check if the folder is there before extracting.

 

[Samu13]

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Do you have any plans for a fully "evil" run, where we go all black door on everyone, even family and maybe even Lust herself? Basically enslaving or blackmailing everyone?

 

[Lianland]

Do you have any plans for a fully "evil" run, where we go all black door on everyone, even family and maybe even Lust herself? Basically enslaving or blackmailing everyone?

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[Lianland]

With those you get 15 out of 14 (probably a typo that should be fixed) and you get the highest amount of images, as well as better text/scene

Not a typo issue, you can reach 17 points at max.

 

[Lianland]

I did all the side content, so a later event made sense, but if I didn't, would things change?

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If you're thinking about free-roam side events : it won't softlock you, but the writing can be inconsistent during some scenes if you completely skip some side content.

what country is this intended to take place in? I originally thought the US, but Molly threw me off a bit. not necessary, just interesting to know

I voluntarily avoid being too specific, for immersion purpose. The closest geographic infos in the game are "somewhere in Europe, near the Mediterranean Sea littoral".

 

[Lianland]

Actually, being black in one scene and white in another is also a little immersion breaking. We play these games so we can get immersed as if we were the MC. Switching between older and younger, having tattoos or not, etc, is already a little immersion breaking but we're used to that. Changing races is as immersion breaking as if you were to place some futa MC scences in there as well. It feels like it's some other person doing the banging. It's easier to immerse in the game when the MC is either one all the way.

Fair point. Still, I'll allow myself to switch race one scene from another for a very simple reason : for me, have the perfect scene is more important. I'd rather break immersion regarding the MC's race than chose a scene that fits less (talking about the facial expression of the actress, the mood of the scene, the complicity...). For example, Lily's first time is a white actor, Karlee's first time is a black one. Yet, I can't think of a better video to depict the moment than the ones I chose.

 

[MisterD3vil]

Try downloading again. Maybe win defender or an AV deleted the image? The problem should be on your end, not the download. You can try to troubleshoot by opening the zip file (without extracting, just opening) and check if the folder is there before extracting.

yes, downloaded again, it's fine now, thanks

 

[Samu13]

Not a typo issue, you can reach 17 points at max.

Shouldn't it be 15 out of 17 then? 15 out of 14 makes it seem like there was a typo/miscalculation. I understand that 14 is the base from choices alone and you can get +1 from asking Lust and +2 from asking the shrink. So it should be either 14 out of 14, if you did none of those, 15 out of 15 if you did just one, 17 out of 17 if you did them all. Or, which makes more sense, always show x out of 17, since that's the max possible.