HTML Sex and Sex Again Revival [v2403A] [IcarusDragon]

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I don't know if IcarusDragonRB reads this often, for my own health I wouldn't, but if you do I was wondering if you were going to keep some of the more risqué content? I know there was an interesting scene with the older sister where you could tie her up, and I was wondering if scenes like that were going to stay, but kind of be more linear now with the new format? Like for instance will the Mom and Sister's all have a default sex scene with no real difference between them all? Or will there still be some build up to the scenes, but they will all roughly be the same?

 

[max_002]

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Groaning with lust, you ask to cum on your dad's tits. Harmless enough, she takes a breast into each hand, holding them for you to paint. Straight from your loins,{ $pCumProdText ropes }of jizz streaks across her mammaries, leaving gasping in surprise. As you come to, you help her towel off, mentally saving an image for yourself.

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You were successful Base chance = 15 Skill
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Random number = 14
Second wind - Sex Again

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so in order to enter a new circle you have to end the day, instead of leaving the room, go on the timer until 22 24 hours or when your stamina drops to 0 and the game says that it’s time to rest or go to bed

 

[Zedire]

" Haha, I read some online comments saying that it's broken. Yes, I know it's broken, it's more proof of concept than anything. I'm hoping to get a more stable version out in 2 weeks. "

Stupid thing to say. It was a terrible decision to release it in this form, especially with them knowing how broken it is, and the fact that what's broken will apparently be fixed in two weeks. So why not just postpone that first release for two more weeks and release a product that would (assumedly) create a far better 'first' impression due to actually having some polish, and be far more likely to have people willing to subscribe to them?

Sacrificing that good impression just for a "proof of concept"? A proof of concept that we've already seen done in a bunch of life-simulators created in Twine.

If we're talking about story concept, is really nothing to get excited about in how it was (as a text game), and still is (as a Twine game), executed.

MC does not act like someone who just went through what they did, or who is going through what they are now. They should be freaking out and questioning everything, as they clearly have some idea that they just went from death to their younger self, not immediately taking it in their stride. Definitely not immediately thinking of whose bones they can jump - that would probably come when they'd gotten over the initial freak out and over the initial enthusiasm of experiencing all the good things again (like mum's cooking) and being able to deal with all the bad thing with an, I'm assuming, wizened mindset.

Then the old teenage hormones would start to kick in, and they may decide that the masturbating they'd been doing isn't cutting it.

But unless incest was somehow something they were deeply passionate about as an 18 year old and thoroughly regretted never attempting (which their 80 year old self doesn't show any indication of lol), choosing to indulge in incest as their first point of order in their second chance at life is honestly nonsensical af. It would be more believable if they resorted to it out of desperation at first. Maybe due to a problem like the transition from their previous 'life' (as an 80 year old with little thought of sex) to this hormone-riddled one created some sort of hormonal imbalance that made it impossible to focus unless they had some strong release, and they weren't willing to trust just anyone with that immediate gratification.
Or maybe one of the siblings did something f'ed up, experimental substance, and after that the MC decided they had a taste for it & it became something to pursue.

Just some actual reasoning behind why the MC is taking such a drastic detour from normal reasoning in a 'second life' situation, rather than acting like it's perfectly normal and nothing to react over.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Stupid thing to say. It was a terrible decision to release it in this form, especially with them knowing how broken it is, and the fact that what's broken will apparently be fixed in two weeks. So why not just postpone that first release for two more weeks and release a product that would (assumedly) create a far better 'first' impression due to actually having some polish, and be far more likely to have people willing to subscribe to them?

Sacrificing that good impression just for a "proof of concept"? A proof of concept that we've already seen done in a bunch of life-simulators created in Twine.

If we're talking about story concept, is really nothing to get excited about in how it was (as a text game), and still is (as a Twine game), executed.

MC does not act like someone who just went through what they did, or who is going through what they are now. They should be freaking out and questioning everything, as they clearly have some idea that they just went from death to their younger self, not immediately taking it in their stride. Definitely not immediately thinking of whose bones they can jump - that would probably come when they'd gotten over the initial freak out and over the initial enthusiasm of experiencing all the good things again (like mum's cooking) and being able to deal with all the bad thing with an, I'm assuming, wizened mindset.

Then the old teenage hormones would start to kick in, and they may decide that the masturbating they'd been doing isn't cutting it.

But unless incest was somehow something they were deeply passionate about as an 18 year old and thoroughly regretted never attempting (which their 80 year old self doesn't show any indication of lol), choosing to indulge in incest as their first point of order in their second chance at life is honestly nonsensical af. It would be more believable if they resorted to it out of desperation at first. Maybe due to a problem like the transition from their previous 'life' (as an 80 year old with little thought of sex) to this hormone-riddled one created some sort of hormonal imbalance that made it impossible to focus unless they had some strong release, and they weren't willing to trust just anyone with that immediate gratification.
Or maybe one of the siblings did something f'ed up, experimental substance, and after that the MC decided they had a taste for it & it became something to pursue.

Just some actual reasoning behind why the MC is taking such a drastic detour from normal reasoning in a 'second life' situation, rather than acting like it's perfectly normal and nothing to react over.

Has this game evolved past a text story with like 12 images? Last time I downloaded I was suprirsed to see how misrepresented it is by the images posted in lede.... that's like all there is.

 

[Zedire]

Has this game evolved past a text story with like 12 images? Last time I downloaded I was suprirsed to see how misrepresented it is by the images posted in lede.... that's like all there is.

Nope, that's still all there is.

 

[BullRush77]

why do all the Ai men look gay ?

 

[IcarusDragonRB]

Hi again,

So the interactions were much more broken then I thought they were. I have been catching and fixing things as I see it and have a new stable release. I have completed the orgasm sequence however it is not bug free and may change gender/wording from time to time. I am also messing around with the balancing as if your stats are too high, it’s near impossible to cum… Get it below:

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So, I’m in a conundrum… I had hoped that my writing would have garnered enough attention to have some type of significant funding by now but it hasn’t lifted off. This is putting a strain on me as I haven’t even been paid once for this... If some of you didn’t know, I am a struggling artist and want to make something amazing but it’s going to require time and resources. I’m doing what I can with time but resources have been circling zero for months. Honestly, I am just asking for even 1000 people to pledge the $3 and I’d be good to go. I mean, ideally it goes viral and I get all the funding I need for a comfortable 2025 release but that’s just hopeful thinking… so hop on the $3 train if you haven’t already. One pledge of $3 during this campaign on subscribestar or paypal will get you the 2 million word, fully-imaged incest game/story projected to release 2025, playable on most browser. Actual price is subject to change once it releases.

What happens now? So, as my many disclaimers suggest, this is an incest game that doesn’t shy from darker elements. Having functioning sex scenes means that I can write the story and if necessary, point to these scenarios that should fill the sex side of it. With stable vanilla sex scenes done, I’d like to add in a drugged sex scene, a tied up rape scene and a drunk sex scene. These 3 scenarios have dubious consent and will have their own mechanics and feel to it. I don’t believe in subjecting anything to torture or rape, but I won’t shy away from writing about it. I am not edgy nor do I possess a hatred for women/men, I simply want to explore the human condition. If you disagree… well don’t read it. After that, I'll start developing the dialogue system, bedroom and day loop.

I have also decided that the images will be of greater quality after all. Human beings are visual creatures and visual aids assist greatly in the sexiness category. So instead of some half measure, it will eventually have high quality images via AI, although that is a bit in the future. What’s released today is just a more stable version with orgasms working. Next time, in maybe 3-4 weeks will be the additional sex scenes. Looking forward to then, thanks!

To answer some questions on the forums... yes I know it's broken, no I don't care if you laugh or make fun. This is a long project and almost no one is this ambitious. If you like it, great, if you don't, great. It'll start taking shape soon and make sense at some point. Uh, also the men look 'gay' because as human beings, we're not used to seeing male pleasure and when we do, we perceive it as weakness or femininity. I don't know how to put it any other way but the images will be updated at some point. Thanks.

 

[fulcrum]

Uh, also the men look 'gay' because as human beings, we're not used to seeing male pleasure and when we do, we perceive it as weakness or femininity.

i dont think thats what they meant. the generator you're using outputs very smooth, unblemished skin without visible pores that is usualy only encountered after applying instagram filters or copious amounts of professional makeup. paired with the rather soft and averaged facial features it gives an effiminate impression at least for the boy.

also, a number of abby images are missing in the download. abbyclothescasual, AbbyEmoteAngry01, etc.
and the text block implying youre wearing a condom while you chose not to is annoying.

 

[Spectrecal]

Just playtesting yourself at first would already help a lot.

 

[Shadowhunter9]

So first off let me say I'm trying to be as respectful as I can and I'm not trying to antagonize you. I do think the game/story has loads of potential and I'd hate to see yet another author burn out.

Honestly, I am just asking for even 1000 people to pledge the $3 and I’d be good to go.

While I understand that's your ideal situation, I think you need to rethink the viability of that. For an HTML game, the level of support you're asking is like that of games like College Daze and X-Change Life (2200 subs with lowest tier of €1 and 1300 subs with lowest tier of €5, respectively). Do you honestly believe your game, in its current state, is of the same caliber to merit that amount of subs?

I have also decided that the images will be of greater quality after all. Human beings are visual creatures and visual aids assist greatly in the sexiness category. So instead of some half measure, it will eventually have high quality images via AI, although that is a bit in the future.

This point is a lot more subjective, but I'd reconsider what I put my time and effort into. Games like The Company rolled out a paper doll version + drawn art much later on. They didn't start with this. AI image generation takes time (depending on your hardware) and/or money. I'm sure people can stomach some stand-in art/photos as a temporary solution. Once you finish off a 'chapter', you're then free to revisit it to make changes.
Try filling out the game with some content first. It doesn't need to be perfect from the get-go. Female Agent revamped their entire game numerous times by now, but people (over 2500) still subscribe because they can see where the world/game/story is going.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that imagery is not all. Just look at Transylvania which uses rather minimalistic art, but has sublime writing (and 1900 subs).

Yes I know it's broken, no I don't care if you laugh or make fun. This is a long project and almost no one is this ambitious. If you like it, great, if you don't, great. It'll start taking shape soon and make sense at some point.

While it might be a bit too late now, what could've worked (and might still) is to make some prequals or side stories to your main game. It'll give you more experience with coding and also gives 'cred' to your name. As an example I'd name AmusingOddity with Sluttown USA. They made several small games that helped them learn coding while also attributing to world building for the main game.
Having a polished product, even if small, creates trust in your capabilities. On top of that, it might give you a moral boost to continue with the game. After all, there's an entire graveyard of dead HTML games which had a good premise.




I hope you liked my TED talk

 

[JacksDissapointment]

bro is getting lost in the forest looking for the trees.

stop overthinking this shit.

 

[Naturalrice]

So, am I playing the right version that there's just a few demos of the sex system and the RPG system in the first "morning"? I believe I remember quite a bit more than this in the first release, so I'm guessing they were removed from being broken?

So first off let me say I'm trying to be as respectful as I can and I'm not trying to antagonize you. I do think the game/story has loads of potential and I'd hate to see yet another author burn out.

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This is way too generous for how ridiculous the author's expectations were. The project is weirdly focusing on customizing character and the RPG system for a game that should be as lean and linear as possible for a first project which needs getting basic systems in place before fleshing out if the creator was looking to monetize from the start. The "writing" would have never stood out fleshing out these mechanics because they're "behind the scene" mechanics that takes a while to implement in any meaningful way and creates need for much more content because they make the game feel "shorter" because most people are just going to streamline their own fetish. This isn't Free Cities that's mechanics heavy that's going to have a lot of gameplay based on a few screens. The author clearly intends for it to be a story driven experience, so the focus of the project is off and way too ambitious for their skill level.

Most games aren't financially viable to support you and even those that are have been in development for a while. None that can be churned out for immediate financial support without previous works that people have built trust on or without experience being able to make solid progress within a decent amount of time. This is releasing the first few pages of a book and asking thousands of people to support you for the rest of the book. Especially with how many devs randomly just drop a project or projects just stall in perpetuity, this is just straight inulting and downright irresponsible if the dev is not in a financially "stable" position.

Finally, quality writing is nice but ultimately, this is intended to be a porn game. At the very least appeal to the specific niche you're appealing to. Incest doesn't cut it to capture people within a few pages. There is no "hook" within what's released and I believe "rape" was the "edgy" hook in the original release that got cut but I think the newer writing makes it seem that's no longer intended, so it's a vanilla incest story. How is time-travel going to get someone off?

Also the new "test sex demo" with the characters has scenes going into it, which I guess could be considered intentional?, and they make no sense. You can't just "appeal" to your mom's sexless marriage and your mom's going to fuck you. Almost eveything about this project is very off-putting.

 

[Yamemai]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that imagery is not all.

Agree with ya here; especially when there are a bunch of text-based games -- with minimal images -- that are well received.
Eg. Think CoC & TiTS, Free City, and such. -- Though they cater to certain fetishes / market.

The game is ambitious, but it's foundation is, currently, shaky; especially with the newly introduced system. -- Imo, woulda been better to slowly work on that, while getting the story flowing, then revamp the whole system once you're more stable. & peeps would complain less, since they actually have an impression of the work you're doing.
Though, I can see why it's being done now, since it'd lower the amount of time/work needed overall. + Peeps won't say you're milking

Edit: After testing the newest build; what I would have done was split the game into M vs F mc. The M one would continue progress as before while the F one would test the new sex system -- Especially because the author said they have trouble writing from a female perspective. -- From there, now they'd be able to gain direction & maybe money from the M one & use the F one as a test bed.

This build seems like a step back from the earlier, initial release. There's no way to really progress, nor a story anymore. Just seems like a dev test version, where they use it to test out newly implemented scenes to see if it works, has bugs, etc.

Ps. Also wouldn't have focused so heavily on the AI, and left it to the player's imagination. Maybe left the 'profile' image, & a couple nudes, so they had a reference point. Some of the images just seem like a different person that shares similar traits -- Aka think them older collection of images games.

 

[Johntheloner]

Not really trying to be insulting, but I'm rather blunt and am just going to call it as I see it, even though others have already mentioned some of this:

The dev on this has some INSANELY out of line expectations, especially given the apparent lack of ability that is showcased by the bugginess and fact that they released a 'demo' that lacks any real content or intriguing concepts, and apparently are still struggling to get the barebones systems implemented, while also declaring they are changing priorities to focus more on 'high quality art', which is a nonexistant thing with AI art, unless you want to custom train your own model to create a unique style. On a note related to that: The men do look 'gay'. Just from the demonstration pics on this thread: The dad comes across as pretty much a hairy bara/bear archetype, the older brother is basically the giga-chad meme with super-smooth skin, and the other is a twink. Add in that they are all in 'glamour' poses instead of more natural ones, and yeah, you get an impression that made me wondering if the dev had mistagged by not having the gay tag.

Money comes when you have a viable product idea and have given cause to think you are stable and reliable as a dev, not when you say 'I'm making an incest game leaning on writing and some AI cg'. The vast majority aren't going to be hooked in by writing for such a vanilla scenario, no matter it's quality, and in most cases those that talk about having 'good, high quality writing' aren't good writers and have inflated view of their own ability. So far dev is giving mixed messaging, having a 'sex system' and also claiming good writing is a goal. The two aren't truly mutually exclusive, but it takes a LOT of skill to pull it off without drowning people in repetition. Especially with a stated goal of 'two million words'. A writing focused game with a 'sex system' that is aiming for those kinds of numbers is either going to have few scenes with little variation, a bunch of boilerplate text, or the breadth of an ocean with the depth of a penny. The devs claims of wanting good writing to be a focus indicate they should be leaning toward a more linear approach, not an rpg/semi-sandboxy one.

Posting a 'I'm a poor starving artist, please give me 3 grand!' post sets off IMMEDIATE alarm bells, especially given the lack of planning demonstrated thus far and the implication that the project is teetering on abandonment, add in the 'this campaign' aspect of things, and it seems like they plan on pulling the same routine again in the future. It's really not a good look. That is going to do the opposite of solicit donations. It's actually going to turn people off.

 

[bozoplace]

Images look like the game needs a GAY tag, just saying.

 

[Dugnutty]

In terms of art, I don't really need every image to contain the same people (characters, porn actors, whatever). I could do with a profile picture of the character and roughly the same body type for full scenes. Like, if you're supposed to be banging some young person, you shouldn't have RL scenes of someone middle-aged.

As for the men; too masculine, too handsome, too boyish all veer towards Gaytown. For straight content, I generally think James Deen is where you want to be at in terms of looks. I'd go as far to say the dad alone is the equivalent of giving the mom a butch haircut and denim shorts.

 

[EquineHung]

The game is promising

But it's also barely a product

Success doesn't come over night

I hope for the best for you but some games takes months and years before they get successful

Work on the game don't lose hope
But also don't quit your day job

There's something here
But it's not here YET

 

[Zedire]

Nobody is going to pledge even $3 to this game as long as there is absolutely no guarantee there'll be even the slightest return on that money, nor should they - what are they paying for in the current version? What do we have to look forward to if this current version is the standard we can expect? In short, this game is a mess. The author hasn't done crap to improve upon the original premise, to the contrary, released a game that has more issues than the original did, and actually expects 3K before they've even figured out how to code it properly. Not only delusional, but thinks we're all idiots that can see something in this game that the dev themselves hasn't even put the effort into showing.

I don't care if this is perceived as being "mean", if I see something that is so blatantly trying to milk money for NOTHING, I'm going to say as much. I was only speculating on it originally, and that was BEFORE the author confirmed it when they started talking about funding.

Anyone who makes a passion project they intend to share with the public should have enough pride and love for it to release an initial product that truly conveys their vision; even if it's only a small sample (say the first 2 or 3 days of the game, with as few errors as possible). Show players some commitment to doing right by your idea, so the audience can feel enthused for the product and hang on for more.

Any desire for monetary gain should come a very distant second to that (realistically, few of these games will make much money anyway). If the product is well done, people won't need to be asked for money, there'll be a good number who will give it just to get more or sooner than everyone else, and/or because they can SEE what's on offer and want to support the author.

 

[jaredforks]

IcarusDragonRB I've been a $3 subscriber since you announced the project a year and half ago, and I didn't cancel my subscription until you went radio silent from September to January and I assumed you had abandoned the project.

With the latest release, I'm hesitant to resubscribe because I'm not sure where you're really planning on going with this. In the original game from way back in the day, the game was about choosing different options and exploring the paths that your choices led you down. The content with the mother was some of the hottest stuff I've ever read and I was crushed to learn you had abandoned the project. When you announced your return, I immediately began supporting you because I assumed we would eventually receive a game similar to the original, but expanded upon in terms of content.

What we've received so far is honestly just more confusing than anything. It barely resembles the original game. This new game starts and I'm banging Mom within a few seconds and rolling dice to determine the Mad Libs style outcome? I dunno, man. I'm not really feeling it.

I'm not writing off the game completely because I've seen what you can do in the past, but I'm also not going to resubscribe when I see that you're expecting 1000 $3 subscriptions. The reality is that you aren't going to receive anything close to that anytime soon, so why should I resubscribe when it seems very likely that you're going to quit again because you aren't making money as quickly as you thought you would?

 

[terirheken]

Has this game evolved past a text story with like 12 images? Last time I downloaded I was suprirsed to see how misrepresented it is by the images posted in lede.... that's like all there is.

I'd say it has evolved. Feels like they managed to bake in so many new bugs and dead ends etc