RPGM Ren'Py Shadows of Desire [v0.5b EA] [Shamantr]

[Take a Bite]

He is literally just saying; if you can't wait, buy it yourself, which is a fair thing to say if you have a bit of common sense
- That said leaking the game within the first 24 hours is still a bit bad manner EVEN if its a pirate site. Give the developer a chance to make a few new subs, before leaking it. Else shamandev will just vanish if income drops to 0, like we have seen happen to other devs. Which would be sad since he do amazing content!

Speaking of amazing content, great update, love the great NTR scenes, and also the monster volume of content/scenes.
- Ending on bit of a cliffhanger was sad! but great update. Keep em cumming!

how its gonna damage income if its literally free advertising? Do u really think if no one share the update in advance, then people will go and pay for it? Lul. Again, those who can support Shaman, already doing it. Its never gonna damage the game if content in it very well done. NEVER. Thanks to this site, these developers getting their money and support in the first place.

 

[Zellemate]

how its gonna damage income if its literally free advertising? Do u really think if no one share the update in advance, then people will go and pay for it? Lul. Again, those who can support Shaman, already doing it. Its never gonna damage the game if content in it very well done. NEVER. Thanks to this site, these developers getting their money and support in the first place.

You're word make sense if the developer makes a fair amount of income and already have a big fanbase. Since shamandev. is fairly new(around 1 year I think), that means he is not the biggest developer, and don't have the biggest income(yet anyway). So in this case your logic don't really fit.
And in this case, leaking his game instantaneous will hurt his income. Its just a fact

 

[zefipoh]

how its gonna damage income if its literally free advertising? Do u really think if no one share the update in advance, then people will go and pay for it? Lul. Again, those who can support Shaman, already doing it. Its never gonna damage the game if content in it very well done. NEVER. Thanks to this site, these developers getting their money and support in the first place.

The game is literally supposed to be free. The paywall is just for the pre-release version. The real release is in one week. The point of that is that impatient people might also get incentivised to pay and support the author instead of waiting for official release or pirated version.

 

[desertoo]

You're word make sense if the developer makes a fair amount of income and already have a big fanbase. Since shamandev. is fairly new(around 1 year I think), that means he is not the biggest developer, and don't have the biggest income(yet anyway). So in this case your logic don't really fit.
And in this case, leaking his game instantaneous will hurt his income. Its just a fact

You know that on subscribestar you can count how much money somebody make? For shaman is 5757$ per month

 

[Wzysdh]

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[Zellemate]

You know that on subscribestar you can count how much money somebody make? For shaman is 5757$ per month

True true, did you check his income 1 week ago compared to just now, meaning after a release just dropped ?
Pretty sure a lot have bought in to play the new update, like myself!
- Would be interesting to see his normal income, like in one months time

 

[Take a Bite]

You know that on subscribestar you can count how much money somebody make? For shaman is 5757$ per month

Devs pov when their game got leaked in the first minutes of release:

 

[Captain Oblivious]

These poor guys begging for the next update, are the real Shadows of Desire.

 

[desertoo]

True true, did you check his income 1 week ago compared to just now, meaning after a release just dropped ?
Pretty sure a lot have bought in to play the new update, like myself!
- Would be interesting to see his normal income, like in one months time

Yes i checked on 29th December. I do not remember the number exactly, it was less than 5k but more than 4k

 

[danadana]

Yes i checked on 29th December. I do not remember the number exactly, it was less than 5k but more than 4k

Ahh, well, yes, 5k, and the taxes? What do you have to pay of those 5k? I would like to know how much is left after having paid everything.

Whoever says he earns a lot has never paid a tax and depending on the country, taxes are even abusive

 

[pussyreaperxxx]

Can we just establish that "just buy it" people are worse than the beggars and wait for tier 2?

 

[Take a Bite]

Can we just establish that "just buy it" people are worse than the beggars and wait for tier 2?

they are.

 

[Doshima]

Ahh, well, yes, 5k, and the taxes? What do you have to pay of those 5k? I would like to know how much is left after having paid everything.

Patreon has this order:
1st: Commission taken from every subscription (10%)
2nd: Commission taken from the site you want to send the money (10% from the total on Paypal, $1 from the total on Payoneer)
3rd: If the Dev is not from a country that uses u$d as their currency, like Shaman, he has to send the money from that site to a cryptocurrency site to convert his money into crypto dollars (this also takes a nice amount of commission)
4th: To retire the money from this cryptocurrency site, he needs to use either a "send to my bank account" option (which takes a decent amount of commission), or a P2P option (which also takes commission, but not that much.

This is for Patreon, but SubscribeStar doesn't use Paypal and Payoneer. From what I spoke with Shaman, SS is more difficult when it comes to redeem the money. From starters, it takes a week, if you're an active Dev, to receive the money from SS (the first time he redeemed the money, he had to wait 20 days). On Patreon you can have the money in your bank account in less than an hour.

You lose at least 20% from your total amount made on Patreon/SS, the more more you make, the more you will lose.

 

[only MILF]

What is the point of all these disputes and analyses? Many people here are able to buy or support their favorite developer. BUT. They cannot for one reason or another. For example, I cannot. Because the politicians of my country blocked the sites Patreon.Discord, etc. And many payment banks also have different policies.

 

[Krishna teja Ada]

How the game can any SS from the game

 

[danadana]

Can we just establish that "just buy it" people are worse than the beggars and wait for tier 2?

They are neither worse or better, their position is quite logical: if you want something, pay for it. It's just the way the world works. Laughing at them says a lot about you guys

 

[desertoo]

Ahh, well, yes, 5k, and the taxes? What do you have to pay of those 5k? I would like to know how much is left after having paid everything.

Whoever says he earns a lot has never paid a tax and depending on the country, taxes are even abusive

Depends where he lives. Like Doshima said

If the Dev is not from a country that uses u$d as their currency, like Shaman

We only know he dosen't live in USA. You have to ask shaman how much he gains if you are interested to it.

 

[pussyreaperxxx]

They are neither worse or better, their position is quite logical: if you want something, pay for it. It's just the way the world works. Laughing at them says a lot about you guys

Nobody is going to pay the exorbitant price the dev has put on the test version unless they're in a parasocial relationship with him or the characters. People can either laugh at them or cry about them, that's their choice. The quality just isn't there, his writing has also gotten worse since the initial versions and many of my favourite plots have just ceased to exist because there's no structure.

It's just an anti-piracy tax that his supporters are forced to pay because I leaked the game once and then someone else did after, he changed the system. So buying and posting the game isn't everything, dev is an asshole about it. He'll just make it $100 or something. I already agreed people should wait for lower tiers.

 

[darkbeach]

i'm gonna bet some money in the casino, if i don't come back and post the release, i'ts because i lost everything and i couldn't afford the $45

 

[Semetrika]

Nobody is going to pay the exorbitant price the dev has put on the test version unless they're in a parasocial relationship with him or the characters. People can either laugh at them or cry about them, that's their choice. The quality just isn't there, his writing has also gotten worse since the initial versions and many of my favourite plots have just ceased to exist because there's no structure.

It's just an anti-piracy tax that his supporters are forced to pay because I leaked the game once and then someone else did after, he changed the system. So buying and posting the game isn't everything, dev is an asshole about it. He'll just make it $100 or something. I already agreed people should wait for lower tiers.

Actually pay for it even dollar is joke. The only one good think are some character design which i like, but everythink else is terrible.
He doesn't even bother reduce file size and 8.5gb is massive fail. he compress only images, but totally ignore animations. Why he leave 10-30 sec animation loops in files since most of these loops actually can be mostly 3-5 seconds? 4.6gb take only this section and it can be cut to half size maybe more.
Also his switch from RPGM to Ren'py is stupid. He just do same mistakes and issues for that people criticize him.
About other thinks rather no comment. There is too much problems and i'm dissapointment. I was support him from start and hope he get better, but after few updates there was no improvements so i stop it and wait if someone put here link.
Why i bother? I don't know i just take it as example how not to make game like this. It's perfect example. But i don't think it's purely fault of Shaman. I mean people who support it are on blame too. If they not criticize his mistakes, then there is no improvements or changes. Which is sometimes kinda impossible if your community are full of fanatics. (this can be applied to every fanbase).