SiNiSistar 1&2 Lore Discussion

[rakehandle]

The SiNiSistar 2 game thread is getting pretty fat, so I'm making this thread for people to better talk about the lore in the games without digging through literally hundreds of pages. Explanations/theories/observations/et cetera are all welcome. Obvious spoiler warning for this entire thread.

I'd like to point out that the games take place in different locations. I don't think it says it explicitly in SiN 1, but the DLsite page says that Rabiane is sent to Kessaria, which is different from SiN 2's Alcezon. This means that it's not really possible to place down an order on the two games chronologically. It seems implied that the fight against the monsters is something widespread, ongoing, and continuous.

If this thread is misplaced/stupid/et cetera, please let me know.

 

[Shirou x Irisviel OTP]

That's one way to see it and solve the debate on which happened first. Different locations and different Otherworlders, even if the cults have developed a sort of standard uniform (their black and red robes with hoods).

 

[Shirou x Irisviel OTP]

Ok then, let's recap. The world of Sinisistar, or at least the country it takes place in, is afflicted by events called "Abomination Outbreaks", byproducts of entities from a different plane of reality finding a foothold in the Human World. These entities are nameless, formless, and even if they can never fully manifest in the world they can mess with the natural laws and reality; therefore, they have been given the name "Otherworlders". The giant eyeball with tentacles we call "The Observer" and the monster summoned on top of Arcezon Cathedral, which was named "The Father" by the deranged cultists, are both forms summoned to manifest these Otherworlders -but never their full selves.

So far there have been no "evil" Otherworlders, with even the successful manifestations taking a passive role of expanding their influence. However, they are willing to exert their influence on people with the potential to bring them into the Human World, which is why they pick priests who will eventually become the members of cults around their respective Otherworlder. The very nature of these beings is alien to humanity, not just in understanding their presence but also in the way they operate: killing or mutating humans, women included, is simply a normal thing to do when they enter the Otherworlder's domain, and those women who prove to be worthy vessels are broken so they serve this purpose.

Abomination Outbreaks are byproducts of the influence of an Otherworlder on the land growing stronger, changing the laws of birth and allowing unnatural monstrosities to become the norm. They can also happen by human intervention, with the cultists using the power they got from their master and their magical talents to transform sets of people or even entire villages. That said, the cults prefer to remain undiscovered and limit their operations to isolated villages in their area of operation, eventually leaving those places if there is nothing left to research, but sometimes a solitary priest remains to keep tabs on potential mothers arriving or even threats like the Sisterhood of Purification. The experiments that spread the outbreak are supposed to help in finding a method to bring their master fully into the world, but human understanding will ultimately fail to accomplish this. As for the smart monsters, cases like demi-humans have build their own religion based on stronger Abonimation Broodlings, but they also exhibit some form of devotion to the Otherworlder responsible for their creation.

Finally, the influence of an Otherworlder curses the laws of natural birth in the land and eventually makes it extremely rare that the previous species produce a next generation, including humans. Combining the experiments of the cults, the raids by demi-humans, the scarcity of food and medicine, and the lack of means to defend themselves effectively, human populations in the area grow thinner and eventually die out if there is no intervention from outside.

 

[rakehandle]

Ok then, let's recap. The world of Sinisistar, or at least the country it takes place in, is afflicted by events called "Abomination Outbreaks", byproducts of entities from a different plane of reality finding a foothold in the Human World. These entities are nameless, formless, and even if they can never fully manifest in the world they can mess with the natural laws and reality; therefore, they have been given the name "Otherworlders". The giant eyeball with tentacles we call "The Observer" and the monster summoned on top of Arcezon Cathedral, which was named "The Father" by the deranged cultists, are both forms summoned to manifest these Otherworlders -but never their full selves.

So far there have been no "evil" Otherworlders, with even the successful manifestations taking a passive role of expanding their influence. However, they are willing to exert their influence on people with the potential to bring them into the Human World, which is why they pick priests who will eventually become the members of cults around their respective Otherworlder. The very nature of these beings is alien to humanity, not just in understanding their presence but also in the way they operate: killing or mutating humans, women included, is simply a normal thing to do when they enter the Otherworlder's domain, and those women who prove to be worthy vessels are broken so they serve this purpose.

Abomination Outbreaks are byproducts of the influence of an Otherworlder on the land growing stronger, changing the laws of birth and allowing unnatural monstrosities to become the norm. They can also happen by human intervention, with the cultists using the power they got from their master and their magical talents to transform sets of people or even entire villages. That said, the cults prefer to remain undiscovered and limit their operations to isolated villages in their area of operation, eventually leaving those places if there is nothing left to research, but sometimes a solitary priest remains to keep tabs on potential mothers arriving or even threats like the Sisterhood of Purification. The experiments that spread the outbreak are supposed to help in finding a method to bring their master fully into the world, but human understanding will ultimately fail to accomplish this. As for the smart monsters, cases like demi-humans have build their own religion based on stronger Abonimation Broodlings, but they also exhibit some form of devotion to the Otherworlder responsible for their creation.

Finally, the influence of an Otherworlder curses the laws of natural birth in the land and eventually makes it extremely rare that the previous species produce a next generation, including humans. Combining the experiments of the cults, the raids by demi-humans, the scarcity of food and medicine, and the lack of means to defend themselves effectively, human populations in the area grow thinner and eventually die out if there is no intervention from outside.

That's a good infodump, thank you.
I wonder why they send women in to clear Abominations and Otherworlders. Obviously the Sisterhood is fully female, but I would assume that it's a part of a greater church that would probably have men capable of doing the job as well, without the risk of becoming mothers to the monsters (though they might not necessarily know what we understand from playing the games). My theory is that it might only be possible to defeat them through the openings that come from when they fight what they view as breeding material. It might be necessary for them to expose themselves if they want to further their influence, otherwise they end up corrupting them in ways that don't help them nearly as much.

 

[Seracjuze]

That's a good infodump, thank you.
I wonder why they send women in to clear Abominations and Otherworlders. Obviously the Sisterhood is fully female, but I would assume that it's a part of a greater church that would probably have men capable of doing the job as well, without the risk of becoming mothers to the monsters (though they might not necessarily know what we understand from playing the games). My theory is that it might only be possible to defeat them through the openings that come from when they fight what they view as breeding material. It might be necessary for them to expose themselves if they want to further their influence, otherwise they end up corrupting them in ways that don't help them nearly as much.

My theory regarding that is a 2 fold.

Man are probably easier to corrupt. By gender roles, man have more ambition and sexual drive. Presented with promises of great power, transcendent understanding or the opportunity to unleash your desire on the helpless woman of the region will have many man falter and join the cult. There is probably a reason why we see the cult members being overwhelmingly male with only a few females here and there.
(Well also, obviously there is just the meta reason of this is a game designed around a female rotag getting raped so...XD)

On the flip side the maidens of the order are equipped with the blessing of infertility to not so easily become brood mothers and in fact that does give them some wiggle room where monsters won't always kill them outright but instead try to rape them which gives them a chance to fight back. In the lore blurb of the Blessing of Infertility and its Broken state explains that it can get weakened from even a moment of desire to be impregnated which can only happen vs the pregnancy boss and do to the lust crest, and it states that said thoughts count even if induced by a cure or mind control. Which means that Lilia have completely resisted any such idea thru out the whole game besides those 2 events. I would say that the sisterhood is probably low in numbers cause they need the purest of maidens in mind as well as maidens that have sufficient magical potential to use purification techniques (Haanja explains that both of them have higher magical potential than civilian woman which also makes them more attractive to monsters).

The SiNiSistar 2 game thread is getting pretty fat, so I'm making this thread for people to better talk about the lore in the games without digging through literally hundreds of pages. Explanations/theories/observations/et cetera are all welcome. Obvious spoiler warning for this entire thread.

I'd like to point out that the games take place in different locations. I don't think it says it explicitly in SiN 1, but the DLsite page says that Rabiane is sent to Kessaria, which is different from SiN 2's Alcezon. This means that it's not really possible to place down an order on the two games chronologically. It seems implied that the fight against the monsters is something widespread, ongoing, and continuous.

If this thread is misplaced/stupid/et cetera, please let me know.

As for which came first, my running theory is that it's in the order of the games as released. The first game the land is completely devastated with no humans or animals left corrupted. The reasoning for this could be that while monsters existed in this world since forever (which is explained in the demihuman lore, saying that they simply were more reclusive until the Demihuman God Abomination Broodling started ordering them around), monster outbreaks were probably much smaller, unrelated to any eldritch god. Do to this, their response is slower and less structured, sending in Rabiane to investigate, who is clearly more than equipped to fight off 1 or 2 stray monsters going crazy, but turns out she is way in over her head here. Miraculously she makes it out regardless (which is only one interpretation however, I have a few others) and brings back news to her order on what happened in Kessaria which is when they start to train sisters in more earnest and attempt to respond more quickly. Which leads us into the 2nd game where the body system of Lilia and Haanja are more prepared and arrive on the scene quicker. Haanja is particular seems very educated on the matters of eldritch lore as well as varius supportive magic spells to assist Lilia against them while Lilia is trained for direct combat.

 

[hd00d]

That's a good infodump, thank you.
I wonder why they send women in to clear Abominations and Otherworlders. Obviously the Sisterhood is fully female, but I would assume that it's a part of a greater church that would probably have men capable of doing the job as well, without the risk of becoming mothers to the monsters (though they might not necessarily know what we understand from playing the games). My theory is that it might only be possible to defeat them through the openings that come from when they fight what they view as breeding material. It might be necessary for them to expose themselves if they want to further their influence, otherwise they end up corrupting them in ways that don't help them nearly as much.

The monsters are only really weak to purification magic. Brute physical strength isn't enough when the bosses can warp and distort flesh. Here are the setting info from the authors while they were planning Sinisistar 2.

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[Seracjuze]

The monsters are only really weak to purification magic. Brute physical strength isn't enough when the bosses can warp and distort flesh. Here are the setting info from the authors while they were planning Sinisistar 2.

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Well, I mentioned this in the other topic and it might be overthinking, but I'll quote:

While physical force should work on the monsters, it is more than likely that they are way stronger than normal people and sending regular warriors at them would be waaaaaaay less effective than sending the sisters.
This might be a bit of over thinking, but the boulder trap only does like 20 damage to Lilia while it kills the goblin in a single hit, and Lilia can also tank a number of hits from deadly weapons like spears and meet cleaver and the like. Honestly a boulder swing like that could easily cave in full plate armor. So this sort of feels like extra evidence that their purification technique serves even as level of physical protection way beyond what even a fully armed knight could muster, which puts into perspective how physically powerful the monsters might be that do similar or even higher damage numbers. (I sound like a power scaler now XD)

 

[Shirou x Irisviel OTP]

I played Sinisistar 1 yesterday and decided to get a bit creative in my path. I did the usual until the abandoned village, but then went to the farm (I had forgotten how difficult it was to reach the arteries on the back of the Giant Pig's arms). Then I went to the sewers, took another deviation to the Lab, and finally did the Cathedral stages.

That's how I imagine the journey went for Rabiane, seeing horrors on an increasing scale before the final boss, which include the breeding farm (related to the parasites in the village) and the fkn Castlevania laboratory in the underground of Kessaria Cathedrale. What do you guys think?

 

[Seracjuze]

I played Sinisistar 1 yesterday and decided to get a bit creative in my path. I did the usual until the abandoned village, but then went to the farm (I had forgotten how difficult it was to reach the arteries on the back of the Giant Pig's arms). Then I went to the sewers, took another deviation to the Lab, and finally did the Cathedral stages.

That's how I imagine the journey went for Rabiane, seeing horrors on an increasing scale before the final boss, which include the breeding farm (related to the parasites in the village) and the fkn Castlevania laboratory in the underground of Kessaria Cathedrale. What do you guys think?

Probably. I find it unlikely to have faced those areas after the adventure.

 

[Shirou x Irisviel OTP]

Probably. I find it unlikely to have faced those areas after the adventure.

Imagine surviving the Observer only to be beaten by some random pigman or the giant pig at the end of the farm stage...then again, that is a typical plot for lots of fantasy hentai

 

[Seracjuze]

Imagine surviving the Observer only to be beaten by some random pigman or the giant pig at the end of the farm stage...then again, that is a typical plot for lots of fantasy hentai

Is it? I think it's usually just the big bad winning.

 

[Shirou x Irisviel OTP]

Nah, some of those stories start with the heroes winning, but they either:
1. Get cocky and lower their guards against some weaker enemy that plays smart (goblins or orc usually)
2. Get ganked by a surviving enemy that was waiting, whose goals are different from the final boss
3. Go to make sure all enemies are defeated, knowing they are already tired. Basically, sacrificing themselves but failing.

Goblin Slayer has plenty of examples. Adventurers who rank higher than the MC and his party have gone toe to toe against Demon Lords, dragons, and similar enemies, but they do poorly when confronted with goblins because there is a widespread misconception that weak mobs = easy mission. Heck, Sword Maiden is still terrified of your average goblin even after helping defeat a Demon Lord, which is why she requests the help of Goblin Slayer when news of sightings reach her.

 

[Seracjuze]

Nah, some of those stories start with the heroes winning, but they either:
1. Get cocky and lower their guards against some weaker enemy that plays smart (goblins or orc usually)
2. Get ganked by a surviving enemy that was waiting, whose goals are different from the final boss
3. Go to make sure all enemies are defeated, knowing they are already tired. Basically, sacrificing themselves but failing.

Goblin Slayer has plenty of examples. Adventurers who rank higher than the MC and his party have gone toe to toe against Demon Lords, dragons, and similar enemies, but they do poorly when confronted with goblins because there is a widespread misconception that weak mobs = easy mission. Heck, Sword Maiden is still terrified of your average goblin even after helping defeat a Demon Lord, which is why she requests the help of Goblin Slayer when news of sightings reach her.

But Goblin Slayer is not hentai.
Well, also I was more thinking about just ending, not whole plot. Sure, as a whole plot getting caught by lower monsters happens a lot, but those usually don't involve a big bad getting beaten first. I can't recall any hentai plot where there is a big bad that gets beaten by the end only for the final ep to end on some random smucks catching the girl anyway.

 

[Shirou x Irisviel OTP]

I'm pretty sure some visual novels have those endings, but you are right in the anime and doujin departments. In any case, the game over animations and portraits in Sinisistar 1 follow the order of release of updates, including DLCs, but I believe the order I played makes more sense from a narrative perspective. With that out of the way, let us introduce the next part of the lore.

The Sisterhood of Purification. An order of warrior nuns trained in physical and magical combat to deal with supernatural threats to humanity, blessed by some mysterious deity that we have named "The Goddess" for convenience's sake -honestly, I can't remember right now if they use that name in Sinisistar 2. While physical attacks have shown effectiveness against your average broodling, only purification techniques can be used when confronting the more grotesque and unnatural of them. This makes the Sisterhood very important in the bigger picture, but most people have grown mistrustful by the time of Sinisistar 2 due to the actions of priests sent by the Church.

The Sisterhood also has limited human resources to mobilize when news reaches its doorstep about suspicious activity or confirmed Abomination Outbreaks. In a similar fashion to knights, training a warrior nun with all of their skills to fight the Otherworlders and their followers takes time and requires funds that are not easy to acquire. I never got the impression that the Sisterhood is important enough to get public support from the local or national authorities, so whatever they have, even at their best, is simply not enough to keep a city and its countryside safe before an outbreak escalates.

If the games come in chronological order, did they know about Abomination Outbreaks and Otherworlders during the events of Sinisistar 1? Or was this their first contact with an outbreak and all it entails?

If the games happen more or less at the same time, the first scenario is most likely. I don't know why the Church sent a proper team to Arcezon and only a single sister to Kessaria, even if Rabiane was a veteran used to solo missions; it makes more sense to send the duo to cleanse the land and have Rabiane work on the region with confirmed living humans. I can only assume she took the initiative to complete the mission by herself, be it as the last remnant of a bigger team operating in Kessaria or as the only person the organization could send at the time (a suicide mission in all but name).

In conclusion, there is more support for the games being in chronological order, with Rabiane being the basis in developing better tactics to combat the Otherworlders.

 

[rakehandle]

I played Sinisistar 1 yesterday and decided to get a bit creative in my path. I did the usual until the abandoned village, but then went to the farm (I had forgotten how difficult it was to reach the arteries on the back of the Giant Pig's arms). Then I went to the sewers, took another deviation to the Lab, and finally did the Cathedral stages.

That's how I imagine the journey went for Rabiane, seeing horrors on an increasing scale before the final boss, which include the breeding farm (related to the parasites in the village) and the fkn Castlevania laboratory in the underground of Kessaria Cathedrale. What do you guys think?

I agree. The fact that they come after the main story is done is probably just because they were originally DLC. It seems likely to me that the pig farm would've taken place after the village, and that the laboratory would've taken place in the middle of the cathedral.

 

[HunterYL]

Probably the lore can be expanded considering the dev still updates the game, maybe after the major bug wiped out the dev will make another plot again cuz like the First Sinisistar we get another stage after years of the first released date XD

 

[rakehandle]

Probably the lore can be expanded considering the dev still updates the game, maybe after the major bug wiped out the dev will make another plot again cuz like the First Sinisistar we get another stage after years of the first released date XD

hoping we get a haanja dlc, she's really cute and it's a shame that there's arguably only 9 different scenes of her, maybe even less depending on what you count.

Does anyone have any ideas on whether or not the ending rapes of either games actually happen? As in, Rabiane getting raped by the slug or Lilia and Haanja getting raped when they're trapped in the hands? I have some feeling that, at least for Rabiane's first slug scene when you enter the room, it might not be real since it happens in a distorted version of her room, and I feel a similar way for Lilia and Haanja's initial rape before Lilia struggles out.