Sissification, Feminization, Traps, M/F Transformation and Shemales. Why should it always be submissive?

[Bearded_NoPants]

So here's the thing. I'm a Fan of Sissification, Feminization, Traps, M/F Transformation and Shemales. But I'm not a fan of the MC always being dominated and submissive. Why does it always have to be FORCED? Why does the MC always have to become a Submissive or a Slave? It feels so Negative, Abusive and Violent. I mean think about it, its Body Mutilation and Rape all warped into one.
Why can't there be an option in these games where the MC is OK with becoming a women or a sissy or whatever. Is becoming a woman or a sissy or whatever a Bad thing? I don't thinks so, Life and the world can be shit to women and the LGBTQ+ community but whats so bad about wanting to be or actually being a women or a sissy or whatever? Personally I wish and dream I could be a Futanari like out of

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preferably with a large horse dick and girthy knot... off topic... I don't see anything wrong with being or becoming a women or TQ+.
Also there is such a thing as a sissy doms, trap tops, shemale master/mistresses. Why cant the transforming MC be more dominating? Lets put cage or chastity belt on the antagonist, Eh, EH? Why can't the MC fight back?
I'm rambling now...
My point is why does transformation have to be submissive and negative? Why can't it be empowering and positive? What kind of message does it send to the TQ+ of the LGBYQ+ community? It doesn't feel nice and pleasant.

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I apologist about the spelling and grammar.I have horrible dyslexia and spell check is evil....

 

[scrumbles]

While I agree that the MC of most TF games is abused, it is not a rule. I can name for instance Fanucci's Amazing Pizza, Healslut (both by Davie Zwei) and Shattered (by Yeda Games). They are all great games and their content is consensual.
And if you want to be a domineering futa, there are text games like Lilith Throne, Free Cities and many more (that you can find here or on tfgames.site).

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

While I agree that the MC of most TF games is abused, it is not a rule. I can name for instance Fanucci's Amazing Pizza, Healslut (both by Davie Zwei) and Shattered (by Yeda Games). They are all great games and their content is consensual.
And if you want to be a domineering futa, there are text games like Lilith Throne, Free Cities and many more (that you can find here or on tfgames.site).

ooowww Thanks I'll check them out... my theard was ok right? I'm not kink shaming or anything? I just... it bums me out and its kind of depressing to see your MC always get pushed or ground down. I'd like a positive one you know?

side note. the company introduced me to tfg, and yes I know the MC can be a Sissy Dom... but Ive not found other games like that.

 

[DawnCry]

What kind of message does it send to the TQ+ of the LGBYQ+ community?

Games don't have to send a message at all. They are just games.

Overall for the rest I can kind of agree that games have tendencies towards certain combinations:

-If we have a female protagonist: She will be really stupid and be taken advantage of by the whole world, possibly ending up being fucked by everything that moves and accepting all of it in the end.

-If we have a male protagonist: He is going to think with his dick, being a pervert in the bad sense and having conversations so cringe with the girls that any bad reputation that the MC had before it is deserved. The worst are the male MC's that start with a girlfriend/wife, because seeing how horny and crazy about girls the MC is, how in the world didn't he cheat before?.

-If we have sissification, male to female... : It is as a submissive idiot that while may seem like he doesn't want to, won't even try to resist or find a way out of a situation.

 

[3lfscout]

Wanna play an ultra dominant MC with 1 or more pussies and a spiked 10 meter long mega schlong and multiple rows of lactating tits?
A MC who penetrates chicks through their asses and out of their mouths/noses in one go?

Why not? TiTS already exists.

 

[anne O'nymous]

What kind of message does it send to the TQ+ of the LGBYQ+ community? It doesn't feel nice and pleasant.

None, because they are grown adults and know the difference between sexuality/gender and sexual practices.

By example, being transgender or Queer is a question of sexuality/gender, while sissification is a sexual practice that don't even imply a homosexuality or a bisexuality.

 

[Sphere42]

Like DawnCry said this is by no means specific to TF/TG games. If anything futa characters have a vastly higher chance of being dominant, both sexually and otherwise, over biological males than most other archetypes.

Basically the majority of all content seems to mash the crudest stereotypes together putting traditional masculinity above femininity. It can't be a deliberate political agenda though because people pay for that same bland recycled crap in droves.

For one specific point though: in the porn sphere the term "sissy" usually refers specifically to the humiliation and forced feminisation type content. From what I occasionally stumble upon you might want to look for "gender bender", "crossdressing" or "transsexual" instead although adding any kind of domination/submission tag will still mostly return those people being dominated. Plenty of sites have a "futadom" tag/category though as already mentioned.

 

[Oldmantac]

I'd guess because it's all about satisfying a fetish rather than a genuine life choice. Porn does the same thing, and I agree it's fucking degrading and insensitive to all involved.

I don't know you and don't know what you've had to deal with in your life. I wouldn't think less of you because of who you are or what preferences you have. That's the problem though, these are still taboo subjects in our society. The entire LGBT+ community still isn't treated equally especially the trans/CD community. Until society becomes accepting it won't change in real life, let alone gaming.

I'm sort of new to this gaming thing, but because of lack of content that I want to see, I generally tolerate the parts of it I could do without. I'm not into Dom or degradation whatsoever. I can't for the life of me understand how incest is more acceptable than trans content.I just tolerate it to get the parts I want out of it.

 

[Sphere42]

I can't for the life of me understand how incest is more acceptable than trans content.I just tolerate it to get the parts I want out of it.

That part is fairly easy to explain for me personally: what tends to put me off in this context is a focus on male genitalia, or male sexual stimulation in general. With generic incest content you just need to tune out a few words per paragraph and let headcanon do its work, visually and for most of the action you just get regular people having regular sex. Meanwhile in order to qualify as "futa/herm/whatever porn" you need to have a dick added where it "doesn't belong". It certainly doesn't help that most non-binary characters in porn are coded as women so the expectation they set tends to be "woman without a dick" not "man without breasts or a vagina".

Trans specifically however is just incredibly niche and hard to portray. A "man" wearing pink dresses is not "trans" just "crossdressing" - unless you add a detailed backstory delving into their state of mind. And not all M2F trans people want to wear pink dresses so your target audience is even smaller. Virtually everything else is dwarfed by "dominant man on submissive woman" content and as the Patreon issues show you can turn that into incest by simply find-replacing a few choice words.

 

[Horse Amor]

the expectation they set tends to be "woman without a dick" not "man without breasts or a vagina".

Pretty sure it's both, actually.

 

[Oldmantac]

I was speaking of general acceptance of content. The games I've played so far have mostly been very up front about Futa/trans content. I see a lot of complaints about it actually even being included in games, and that was my point. I'm certainly not going to tell you to like a different sexual/gender than what you prefer. Whatever you like is not my problem. I prefer mostly hetero content, I just also have transgender women in that wheelhouse as well.

When it comes to incest, however, it's not just included in a lot (probably the majority of games). Many of those stories don't make sense without the 'patch'. It doesn't seem to bother people nearly as much as " Oh my God, another game with Futa/Trans content." That's the social problem that pertains to this thread imo.

It's pretty easy for you to just skip over games with F/T content, but most of us that want that content have to endure a whole bunch of (quite frankly) degrading shit we don't want to see or feel to get to what we do want.

As for the Op's post it's no doubt even more difficult to see any substantive content the they want to see.

 

[Sphere42]

Pretty sure it's both, actually.

They by all means should but in terms of body shape, spoken lines and clothing the vast majority lean very heavily towards feminine presentation.

When it comes to incest, however, it's not just included in a lot (probably the majority of games). Many of those stories don't make sense without the 'patch'. It doesn't seem to bother people nearly as much as " Oh my God, another game with Futa/Trans content." That's the social problem that pertains to this thread imo.

Most of them don't make sense with the patch either. Like I said I think it's just easier to tune out by skipping the dialogue. Some games might not even make a single mention of the incest during the actual sex scenes. I also see a lot more complaining about M/M content than F/F (with no men involved), if anything the common complaint about lesbian scenes is that there aren't enough of them! As long as there are no attacks against real people I don't see it as a "social problem" but rather a market share issue. Which still sucks, don't get me wrong.

 

[Oldmantac]

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[215303j]

I'm a Fan of Sissification, Feminization, Traps, M/F Transformation and Shemales.

That's quite a wide range...

I'd say that Sissification / Feminization is largely about dominance and submission rather than gender identification, so it's likely to be forced in some way.

M/F Transformation on the other hand is about gender identification and not about D/S. Same for Traps and Shemales, generally speaking.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

WOW
Thanks for the response folks. Thank you for not flaming me! I started this thread because I wanted to see what others thought about the very general theme. Right off the bat I can see I did not express, explain... impart? what I wanted to talk about. but I'm glad that you folks got the gist of it. I thought all your comments were very interesting and I came away with a few thoughts.
First I really didn't mean to sound like I was making some political statement with the whole messaging thing. What I meant was how it must feel to be transgender, transitioning, effeminate, cross dresser... TQ+ or even being curious or in the closet and find games where the MC they identify with or just wish to live though (and you have to admit when you play game you kind of become the character you play. kind of how at the end of fallout you've become the wanderer or the courier) {GOD, the grammar and run on sentences, So sorry} are being so horribly abused and mistreated. It must be horrifying and make them feel even more pain and anxiety because of their situation. Am I making sense?
Second I didn't really know how to say what I wanted to say so I kind of click bated with the title to get people to read and answer... sorry
Finally my hope is that if even one game creator sees this thread and adds the content or makes a game with the content I described then I'll be a happy man. And I've found out about some games out there I should look into.

That's quite a wide range...

I'd say that Sissification / Feminization is largely about dominance and submission rather than gender identification, so it's likely to be forced in some way.

M/F Transformation on the other hand is about gender identification and not about D/S. Same for Traps and Shemales, generally speaking.

Yeah I didn't express myself well. I like the journy the MC goes through in Sissification. The discovery, lust and general Debauchery. I DON"T like that the MC is Forced against their will. The Pain, Misery and Despair the Cruel Antagonist Dom puts the MCs through is a major turn-off and heart breaking. I don't think Feminization has aspects of S&M I think it's more of a term for the transition... the process if you will? I think Sissification is just Feminization but with S&M added in... I may be wrong... I'm probably wrong.

Again Sorry about the Grammar, run ons, and spelling........ I only have to brain cells to rub together. I blame all the masterbating....

 

[Oldmantac]

I don't know of any games that deal with CD in a positive manner. Maybe some others can give you some examples. I will say however, Spacecorps is very open to different sexualities. It's more of a comical approach to those topics.

 

[Tataro]

I've no interest in being sissified. Sissification is submissive by nature. However... I would love it if a game allowed me to sissify someone else and make them submit to MC.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

I've no interest in being sissified. Sissification is submissive by nature. However... I would love it if a game allowed me to sissify someone else and make them submit to MC.

I'm a Hypocrite...
by the way dark desires is shaping up to be a good game

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

I don't know of any games that deal with CD in a positive manner. Maybe some others can give you some examples. I will say however, Spacecorps is very open to different sexualities. It's more of a comical approach to those topics.

The Company thought I'm not a fan of the new John update. I think Femboy has the potential. I also like Femboy because the creator uses

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and there's a third one... Accidental Woman! its VERY detailed and has VAST potential. It's lacking in a few glaring places. The paperdoll system is a mess and theres are not as many grafic examples to go with the text. like there's no pictures to go with the sex scenes and it's very text heavy. having Images to break things up would help.

 

[scrumbles]

If you like to sissify people and you don't mind text games, play the already mentioned Lilith's Throne and have fun with Brax. According to its description, Sculptor can be interesting too. And in Fake AI you can sissify one of your bullies.

For Bearded_NoPants: good feminization games are also Magical Camp and The Proteus Effect. Imo the first one is more abusive than those I have already linked though. I mean, its characters are adorable: but most TFs are not voluntary, from the point of view of the MC.