So I heard patreon effectively banned anime style content

[おい！]

Yes but you listing all of those offending games and going all see, Patreon isn't banning them(after you had already indirectly encouraged people to do harass one game) made me realize that reporting them is something to consider doing and you often bringing up that Patreon could ban all NSFW content made me realize that it's in fact a good thing to report them. Besides you should be happy that I took inspiration from you, you've had a positive effect on the world today!

You should try reporting all of those games and seeing if they stay up... I'll probably help out with that later too.

Is there anything more that needs to be said? Oh yeah remind me how the black slaves, wearing cotton in the south of the U.S.A has anything to do with Patreon again? Considering there was not even the internet back then.

 

[Jules.Valar]

I do not not post often but I think that this discussion is kinda silly:
Patreon is nowadays somewhat of a big internet website with a lot of partner (read creator, bank and subscriber)
Nowadays, there's a lot of law against loli (and other stuff like rape) porn is censored a lot in a lot of country if not all country outside of Japan..
Patreon here just try to protect its business, because if there are a lot of loli or rape on screen, then Patreon is responsible, then bank are responsible because they allow peoples to subscribe to Patreon.
But if journalist wants to create a mountain out of a molehill, Patreon and all its partner would be targeted.

So all website (Patreon) and all new subscriber services like Allstar are concerned.
Wich mean that if you are a creator, the only way to avoid all of that, would be to go on Fantia or other Japanese website BUT you would have to censor all your content to respect Japanese law, wich is kinda silly.

To conclude this little pamphlet, I want to say that you need to respect country censorship, you are on a western website? exit loli, rape and other hard content, and there's a lot of way to do that. You are on a Japanese website, censor everything!

Edit: lot of grammar stuff, my mother tong is not English sorry :S

 

[おい！]

I do not not post often but I think that this discussion is kinda silly:
Patreon is nowaday somewhat of a big internet website with a lot of partner (read creator, bank and subscriber)
Nowaday, there's a lot of law against loli (and other stuff like rape) porn in a lot if not all country outside of Japan.
Patreon here just try to protect it's business, because if there are a lot of loli or rape on screen then patreon is responsible, then bank are responsible because they allow people to subscribe to Patreon. If journalist w

I totally agree with you, but there is a small minority it seems that does not care about the rules and wants Patreon to keep hosting stuff that breaks their own rules.

 

[Cumknuckles]

Is there anything more that needs to be said?

Not really, I think I explained how you inspired me pretty well, if I hadn't read this thread and your posts in it it would have never crossed my mind to consider trying to influence what Patreon does in any way.

Oh yeah remind me how the black slaves, wearing cotton in the south of the U.S.A has anything to do with Patreon again? Considering there was not even the internet back then.

Slavery and Patreon are both things you can have opinions on and I did say it's not a very important but I was (apparently unsuccessfully since you still don't understand that stuff like internet existing back then is irrelevant) trying to make you understand how you can bring up an unrelated thing as an example to help someone understand what someone means better.

I totally agree with you, but there is a small minority it seems that does not care about the rules and wants Patreon to keep hosting stuff that breaks their own rules.

Patreon is the one proactively deciding on it's rules for the most part(maybe with some help from paypal and other silicon valley companies) so I don't think it's that people think Patreon should host stuff that breaks their rules but that they should change their rules to either be no porn of any kind allowed(since that's what they'd clearly prefer) or to be much more lenient with them.

 

[おい！]

Not really, I think I explained how you inspired me pretty well, if I hadn't read this thread and your posts in it it would have never crossed my mind to consider trying to influence what Patreon does in any way.

You should try reporting all of those games and seeing if they stay up... I'll probably help out with that later too.

Slavery and Patreon are both things you can have opinions on and I did say it's not a very important but I was (apparently unsuccessfully since you still don't understand that stuff like internet existing back then is irrelevant) trying to make you understand how you can bring up an unrelated thing as an example to help someone understand what someone means better.

So the use of something totally off-topic is correct then?

Patreon is the one proactively deciding on it's rules for the most part(maybe with some help from paypal and other silicon valley companies) so I don't think it's that people think Patreon should host stuff that breaks their rules but that they should change their rules to either be no porn of any kind allowed(since that's what they'd clearly prefer) or to be much more lenient with them.

So Patreon should listen to you now? So you are going to tell the CEO of Patreon how to run his own business then?

 

[Cumknuckles]

So the use of something totally off-topic is correct then?

The original use of it wasn't off-topic but your failure to understand what it meant lead to off-topic discussion trying to educate you so that in the future you might understand things better.

So Patreon should listen to you now? So you are going to tell the CEO of Patreon how to run his own business then?

Why not? He tries to appear receptive to feedback on how to do things better, it's not like there is a reason I shouldn't tell him what to do(again you're being super defeatist, you should try to have a more positive outlook on life) but I'm not sure how much he actually pays attention to things, seems like he just hired bunch of people interested in dealing with offending content and left them free to powertrip all they like and do whatever they feel like with little oversight.

 

[おい！]

The original use of it wasn't off-topic but your failure to understand what it meant lead to off-topic discussion trying to educate you so that in the future you might understand things better.

I need educating?

What kind of existence of slaves denial is this? Are you saying that all the slavery in America happened outside of the southern regions
You should try reporting all of those games and seeing if they stay up... I'll probably help out with that later too.

Who is the one that does not believe that the south of a Country exists outside of the U.S.A?
I am sure that the CEO of Patreon would listen to you based on your posts on this thread.

 

[Cumknuckles]

Who is the one that does not believe that the south of a Country exists outside of the U.S.A?

I don't know, who is the one unable to infer things without needing someone to spell out that south in certain context can refer to south of USA?

I need educating?

You consistently misunderstand what people mean but maybe not, I'm starting to think that your brain is just wired in some weird way that makes you interpret things somewhat uniquely which is interesting and just something to be aware of when talking with you.
Edit: And it does make it more fun to talk with you than it perhaps otherwise would be.

 

[おい！]

I don't know, who is the one unable to infer things without needing someone to spell out that south in certain context can refer to south of USA?

You don't seem to understand that I am not American and even though I know about American history, I do care about it. To me when someone wants to go off-topic they should at least mention the Country they are talking about. I was correct in my response to that member, because believe it or not there is a south in my Country and I live in the south. Or are you trying to convince me otherwise?

 

[Cumknuckles]

You don't seem to understand that I am not American and even though I know about American history, I do care about it. To me when someone wants to go off-topic they should at least mention the Country they are talking about.

Neither am I American and while I'd disagree with it being off topic** but complaining that people should mention the country they are talking about is a fair point but you didn't make that point and first in this

Please tell me what does slavery, cotton clothing and living in the south, have to do with Patreon? BTW I live in the South and we have never had slavery there and I have no problems with wearing cotton clothing.

You were aware of American history* and knew that with slavery and cotton being brought up south of USA is what the south in this

One can denounce the policy and still believe that Patreon is the best site for these projects and hope it continues as I do. It isn't binary. One can denounce slavery, wear cotton clothing, and live in the south all at the same time. It isn't binary.

was most likely referring to but didn't in any way indicate that you are talking about south of some other country(as if south's of all countries could be stereotyped in the same way) or say that you think he should have clarified south of what country. Instead it looks like you are saying that there were no slaves in south of USA ever. But when you denied that I thought you hadn't realized(or inferred to be consistent with what I've said) that south was talking about USA but then you denied that too but continued to be under the impression that I was saying that USA is the only country that has a south when I never claimed that(and still haven't).

So no I'm not and never have claimed that your country doesn't have a south, if your country's south has nothing to do with slaves or cotton traditionally gathered by slaves then the chances are that it's some other place being talked about.

*as you said here:

Dude I know about American history,

**"One can denounce slavery, wear cotton clothing, and live in the south all at the same time. It isn't binary." was said to compare it with "One can denounce the policy and still believe that Patreon is the best site for these projects and hope it continues as I do. It isn't binary. " and see the similarities between them. The slavery line clarifies what the other line means and isn't really bringing slavery as a topic up so unless you bring attention to it it's still on-topic.

 

[おい！]

Neither am I American and while I'd disagree with it being off topic** but complaining that people should mention the country they are talking about is a fair point but you didn't make that point and first in this

You were aware of American history* and knew that with slavery and cotton being brought up south of USA is what the south in this

was most likely referring to but didn't in any way indicate that you are talking about south of some other country(as if south's of all countries could be stereotyped in the same way) or say that you think he should have clarified south of what country. Instead it looks like you are saying that there were no slaves in south of USA ever. But when you denied that I thought you hadn't realized(or inferred to be consistent with what I've said) that south was talking about USA but then you denied that too but continued to be under the impression that I was saying that USA is the only country that has a south when I never claimed that(and still haven't).

So no I'm not and never have claimed that your country doesn't have a south, if your country's south has nothing to do with slaves or cotton traditionally gathered by slaves then the chances are that it's some other place being talked about.

*as you said here:



**"One can denounce slavery, wear cotton clothing, and live in the south all at the same time. It isn't binary." was said to compare it with "One can denounce the policy and still believe that Patreon is the best site for these projects and hope it continues as I do. It isn't binary. " and see the similarities between them. The slavery line clarifies what the other line means and isn't really bringing slavery as a topic up so unless you bring attention to it it's still on-topic.

Sorry but you can keep up with this nonsense if you want, but I will still stick to the facts thank you. The facts are that in the south we had no slavery, so there you have it. Which is what I said in the first place, if you do not believe me prove me wrong.

 

[Cumknuckles]

Sorry but you can keep up with this nonsense if you want, but I will still stick to the facts thank you. The facts are that in the south we had no slavery, so there you have it. Which is what I said in the first place, if you do not believe me prove me wrong.

South of your country may have had no slavery but no one was saying that it had slavery.
So a simple question, when you first said you never had slavery in the south did you think that MickeyDamen was talking about your country's south, every country's south or USA's south?

 

[おい！]

South of your country may have had no slavery but no one was saying that it had slavery.
So a simple question, when you first said you never had slavery in the south did you think that MickeyDamen was talking about your country's south, every country's south or USA's south?

When said this

What kind of existence of slaves denial is this? Are you saying that all the slavery in America happened outside of the southern regions
You should try reporting all of those games and seeing if they stay up... I'll probably help out with that later too.

Did you think I was talking about any other country than my own?

 

[Cumknuckles]

Did you think I was talking about any other country than my own?

Obviously I assumed you were talking about USA since why would you bring up your country's south when it was clear that USA's south was what was meant.
Edit:Actually I assumed that your country was USA since you said you live in the south(which based on the context was referring to USA)
Edit2: And can I take that to mean you thought MickeyDamen was also talking about your country's south since why would you protest that there's no slavery there otherwise.

 

[おい！]

Obviously I assumed you were talking about USA since why would you bring up your country's south when it was clear that USA's south was what was meant.
Edit:Actually I assumed that your country was USA since you said you live in the south(which based on the context was referring to USA)
Edit2: And can I take that to mean you thought MickeyDamen was also talking about your country's south since why would you protest that there's no slavery there otherwise.

I did not protest, I correctly said

It is not my job to provide alternatives. If you feel that strongly about it, start a thread with a poll and the once you have your results, you can be the hero or villain and contact Patreon stating "We the members of F95zone blah, blah, blah, blah blah". Please tell me what does slavery, cotton clothing and living in the south, have to do with Patreon? BTW I live in the South and we have never had slavery there and I have no problems with wearing cotton clothing.

It is you that chose to jump to the wrong conclusions not me.

What kind of existence of slaves denial is this? Are you saying that all the slavery in America happened outside of the southern regions
You should try reporting all of those games and seeing if they stay up... I'll probably help out with that later too.

 

[Cumknuckles]

I live in the South and we have never had slavery there

Is a protest against this mysterious south that most people understand to mean USA's south (but you think means your country) having slavery so yes I made a mistake in assuming that you understood that south in this context meant USA and I again misunderstood you saying that you know American history as saying that you actually knew all along that USA's south was what was meant.

 

[おい！]

Is a protest against this mysterious south that most people understand to mean USA's south (but you think means your country) having slavery so yes I made a mistake in assuming that you understood that south in this context meant USA and I again misunderstood you saying that you know American history as saying that you actually knew all along that USA's south was what was meant.

Yes you do seem to have a problem understanding things

I will and of course they wouldn't be upset with us, we're doing them a favor! It's inevitable that Patreon will investigate their game at some point so it's better if it happens earlier on! Maybe with enough reports Patreon will just say this is too much work and stop caring so much about minor shit.

Wow you are now backing Patreon and you had the cheek to accuse me of that.

How are we backing Patreon(you being the one to inspire me to action so I think it's fair to credit you)? It's not like they profit from figuring out who breaks their ToS or making people more likely to use their competition.
Besides I'm here doing things that have a chance of positively influencing Patreon while you said there's nothing we can do that would change what Patreon does.

How is it we exactly, who was the one who suggested reporting to Patreon?

I believe it was you who tried to convince me not the other way around. You had already made your mind up and did not need any coercion from me.

You should try reporting all of those games and seeing if they stay up... I'll probably help out with that later too.

 

[Cumknuckles]

Yes you do seem to have a problem understanding things

Indeed, you are a confusing person and hard to understand
but no matter we each have our problems and I'm glad that we've been able to talk despite our issues.
Anyway, so what exactly am I not understanding in what you quote?
That there's something wrong with accusing you of backing patreon while I thought about doing things that would ultimately harm Patreon's profits?
Or that the fact I was the first to say the word report somehow means that you couldn't have inspired me?
Also me bringing up reporting at first was an attempt at pointing out that that's kind of what you are encouraging with posts listing games that Patreon should have banned if the title of this topic is true.

 

[おい！]

As do you but no matter we each have our problems and I'm glad that we've been able to talk despite your condition.
Anyway, so what exactly am I not understanding in what you quote?
That there's something wrong with accusing you of backing patreon while I thought about doing things that would ultimately harm Patreon's profits?
Or that the fact I was the first to say the word report somehow means that you couldn't have inspired me?
Also me bringing up reporting at first was an attempt at pointing out that that's kind of what you are encouraging with posts listing games that Patreon should have banned if the title of this topic is true.

So what have I learned? You have tried to twist what I have said, but it has not worked so

 

[Cumknuckles]

So what have learned? You have tried to twist what I have said, but it has not worked so

When have I done that? I admit that you might honestly believe that you aren't defending Patreon despite some of your earlier posts slightly seeming like you did and if I ever did actually say that you're actually a patreon shill or such I apologize I meant to just say that despite your hopefully best intentions your posts can be interpreted by other people as defending patreon.
Also using we to include you in my actions was a somewhat unserious way of reinforcing that you inspired me(and managed to do that before I had even replied to this topic so I can understand if you feel like it was all my own doing since it happened while reading your posts without you knowing anything about it).
Did I miss any perceived attempt to twist your words?
Edit:Also to me most of this has been me trying to get you to understand what I'm saying only for you to continue to completely misunderstand and bring up again something I've already addressed and thought I had explained properly so not wanting to be mean and leave you thinking I've said something I didn't I try to explain what I meant in a better way that you hopefully won't misunderstand. Which while certainly slightly frustrating is a pretty nice and fun exercise in being able to express myself more clearly even if success seems doomed to failure