Well, I know that this thread is somewhat old but I would like to explain my possible reason why the so-called ''vanillafag'' are so ''extremist'', you see, you may not notice it in some genres but you realize that vanilla is The only genre that is not in the tags? It is also the genre with the least content of rape and NTR, yes, but vanilla does not have much content, people do not like pure romance stories and prefer more ''extreme'' things, that is why I think vanillafags are so extreme because basically speaking they are trying to make people see that NTR is quite bad and can be harmful. The most infamous case is that of Asanagi, an NTR artist who has made doujins that are quite perverse and in bad taste especially one called ''VictimGirlsR Watashi wa, Makemasen! | I will not lose!'' a quite controversial and hated doujin due to its messages and hey there were even Asanagi fans with highly misogynistic and sick comments, look on nhentainet and you will know what I mean, with this I don't want to be seen as a ''vanillafag'' but as someone who tries to explain why those attitudes of those ''vanillafag'' and not all of us who like vanilla are so extreme, many of us are calm but that was what What did I want to say?
So this is why vanilla fag being hate
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I'm pretty sure when people say "vanilla fag" they're talking about the annoying purists, and not people who consume vanilla in general. People who enjoy NTR and vanilla are not a mutually exclusive demographic. The whole vanillafag hate thing has, as far as I've seen, died down. I suspect a lot of it had to do with people being stuck in their homes in the pandemic getting more irritable than they usually did, given that this discussion originally took place in 2020-2021. The other part of it is that NTR games have since become more normalized here. The popularity of NTR pretty much exploded around the same time, and uploads to the site were more frequent (because more people were around). We didn't have the ability to exclude tags in the filter back then, so people who didn't like NTR saw it a lot more than they were used to. Combined with the fact that pretty much everyone was on the internet all day with nothing better to do, petty arguments were also much more frequent.
As for why vanilla isn't a tag, it's probably because vanilla is even more subjective than NTR, and I'm sure the mods can attest to how much of a nightmare it has been cleaning up threads where people (admittedly me included) were arguing what counts as NTR and not NTR, which has since been changed to "netorare" since people kept lumping "NTR" with netori and netorase.
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You are mistaken. No one complains about vanillafags when they go after "misogynistic" genres. It's only when people complain about NTR that suddenly these people come out of the woodwork throwing around words like "incel" and "slut-shaming."
I understand what you're saying but it doesn't mean that vanilla is the true niche genre and apart from that I don't think it's that difficult to classify it, it would be things like a girl and a boy who are boyfriends and husbands, a romantic story of childhood friends, stories of love at first sight, stories of apparently impossible loves whether due to status or something else, etc., and if you want to be more "flexible" you can even put things like incest, monster girls, robotophilia, elves, etc., as long as it is genuine and pure love I don't think it's that difficult I think
Yes, but there are also NTR fans who are also highly misogynistic and incels and say things like "this NTR is a red pill about how women really are." Not only vanillafags are incels, NTRfags can also be incels.
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It doesn't matter. No one should be attacking anyone for lacking feminist credentials on this sausagefest of a porn site.
I wouldn't say that this site is ''cheap'' seeing as it is a well-known page for downloading free porn games and I wouldn't say that those who criticize this about NTR are ''feminists with a card'' but I do agree that there are a lot of moralists How hypocritical the vanillafags are, I don't deny that. What I mean is that the NTR people can also do this, it's just that they are somewhat ''privileged'' so to speak.
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I think there has been some misunderstanding. I'm not saying vanilla is niche, I'm saying that it's so widely encompassing that the borders aren't very clear. Like if a guy hypnotizes a girl, and the girl is single and ends up liking him at the end, is it vanilla? If a guy adopts a girl and the girl falls in love with him, is it vanilla? If a story starts off NTR but has a wholesome ending, is it vanilla? I don't know what H-manga/doujin sites you visit, but there's no vanilla tag in nhentai or e-hentai either. I have to believe there's a practical reason as to why sites don't generally tag things as vanilla.
As a personal opinion, I feel like plots with dubious consent and relationship dynamics shouldn't count as vanilla, but I'm sure there's people who don't agree.
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The practical reason is that vanilla category is based on exclusion. Almost everything else is inclusionary, and more importantly tags are generally inclusionary. Plus, as you said the boundaries are blurry, and no one wants another quagmire to deal with. Ironically, because vanilla is the most popular.
There are categories/tags that align pretty well with subsets of vanilla, but pretty well here means coincidental and not perfect.
eh, I think you didn't understand me completely, I'm not saying that vanilla is a niche genre because because of its "ambiguity" I'm saying that the vanilla genre is niche because there are literally not many well-known Hentai artists who make those types of romantic stories, That's why I said that the true niche genre would be vanilla precisely because it doesn't have a label, about what it is or isn't vanilla is something I hadn't thought about. It could be that if it is more difficult than I thought, I'm not denying you that, but hey, at least you were respectful and did not You tried like a crazy person just because of these questions I had
and another thing I must say if it is true that many hentai sites do not have the vanilla label because of how "ambiguous" it can be but that is because more and more people always go to extremes and again genres like NTR and rape, bestiality, etc. become the norm while on the other hand stories of romance and love little by little are dying. That is my criticism towards not only NTR (which I don't hate but it is not my favorite genre) but everything what is hentai in general
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I wouldn't say that vanilla stories are so much as dying as the focus has shifted. Like there was a time where monster girls, yanderes, or incest was the current craze. As for dedicated artists, they're not very prevalent because 1) artists change tastes/focus over time and 2) artists need to male sales to survive. But even some artists that don't generally draw vanilla still occasionally draw vanilla, like ShindoL. If you don't mind Western artists, Fred Perry more or less only draws vanilla.
Personally, I've gravitated away from vanilla stories because a lot of them feel same-y. There's only so many ways you can have a nondescript "average" guy with no girlfriend suddenly have a virgin fall in love with him for reasons we can't understand. That's not to say that NTR, incest, or whatever else doesn't have repeating themes, but unlike vanilla, you can have a lot of other fetishes/themes in it without making it not NTR/incest/whatever whereas the same cannot be said about vanilla. MarshmallowCasserole pointed out, the nature of vanilla is that it excludes, rather than include.
Your last paragraph is quite funny to say the least, why you are alluding to the vanilla genre, it is almost as common as the other genres. When a few moments ago you recognized that it did not even have its own label, and well, you may not like the vanilla genre but Don't deny me that every time there is less compared to the NTR that is a fact, about the "exclusive" thing as I said you can be more lax like harem or incest I didn't think they are so "limiting" either, but hey anyway I appreciate that you understood my position on the matter.
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I'm confused at your reasoning. Yes, it doesn't have its own tag, but the absence of a tag doesn't mean it isn't prevalent. Vanilla is probably one of the most most prevalent, if not most prevalent, adult game "genre". Unless vanilla can't include harems, vanilla harem is perhaps the most common genre of all adult mediums I've seen.
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Dudes rambling about alpha males and his cuck fetish lmfao how old are you?
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Well then we can agree to disagree, you think that vanilla is a common genre and I have no differences but it doesn't take away from the fact that NTR is the most popular of all of them, yes.
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I don't know what you mean by "fact". If we sort the games by most views, the majority of the games that show up are vanilla/harem. A good chunk of the NTR stuff on here are MTL shovelware Japanese games.
I learned a new term I wasn't previously familiar with.
My only contribution is that if a games developer wants to make complex and interesting characters, then they will probably have a sexual history separate from the MC. Writers should be able to have that freedom.
My only contribution is that if a games developer wants to make complex and interesting characters, then they will probably have a sexual history separate from the MC. Writers should be able to have that freedom.
''If we sort the games by most views, the majority of the games that show up are vanilla/harem. A good chunk of the NTR stuff on here are MTL shovelware Japanese games''
You said it yourself ''games'' I was referring in general to doujins, hentai animations and in a certain way the NTR games, despite being ''new'', the genre does not take away from the fact that it is one of the most popular