Starting my own game, need opinions about my world setting.

F22232425

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Hi, I want to develop a 3dcg game with Ren'py engine with similar genre to the The Headmaster.

Here is my inital world setting for my game:

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Currently I am worry about if the game setting is too cruel or dark...
Anyway, I weclome your opinions.
 

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That background is confusing.

From what i can translate:
You either play the headmistress who tries to use her power to influence the school policy and through it the students.
Or you play a student who needs to desided if she obey's or defy's the new headmistress.

I woud suggest removing the 30 year part.
After 30 years it would just be considered normal.
Part of there culture.
It is better to start the game after the two years of civil unrest.
It would be a more interesting time period where you have the old culture conflict with the new culture.

Also how important is the puppet state to the story?
Because from what i read you can have this story without the puppet state.
Normal goverments screwing over there population is a well accepted thrope.

As for too cruel.
Have you seen the most populair games in latest update.
Enslaving woman and using them for your own need is very populair around here.
 
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F22232425

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That background is confusing.

From what i can translate:
You either play the headmistress who tries to use her power to influence the school policy and through it the students.
Or you play a student who needs to desided if she obey's or defy's the new headmistress.

I woud suggest removing the 30 year part.
After 30 years it would just be considered normal.
Part of there culture.
It is better to start the game after the two years of civil unrest.
It would be a more interesting time period where you have the old culture conflict with the new culture.

Also how important is the puppet state to the story?
Because from what i read you can have this story without the puppet state.
Normal goverments screwing over there population is a well accepted thrope.
Thank you for comment and sorry for the confusion.

The MC is supposedly to be a male teacher working at the school.
the 30 years part is to make as if the law is successful but yet there will still be resistance.

Also the political setting may have too much impact, but I just want to explain the setting for the similar genre to game
"The headmaster" because I have seen people playing "the headmaster" complain the setting is not convincing.

So I think the puppet state here is to state that that country was previously a great country,
but fallen to the outward totalitarian country, but yeah I have seen tropes about goverment screwing up in the movie so I guess it works too.
 
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Thank you for comment and sorry for the confusion.

The MC is supposedly to be a male teacher working at the school.
the 30 years part is to make as if the law is successful but yet there will still be resistance.

Also the political setting may have too much impact, but I just want to explain the setting for the similar genre to game
"The headmaster" because I have seen people playing "the headmaster" complain the setting is not convincing.

So I think the puppet state here is to state that that country was previously a great country,
but fallen to the outward totalitarian country, but yeah I have seen tropes about goverment screwing up in the movie so I guess it works too.
Thanks for the explanation.
Yeah i was one of those who complained.
Raping a teenager in front of a large public should have gotten the headmaster arrested.
That level of stupidity is unacceptable.
That is what you need to take away from headmaster complaints.
The fact he got away with raping a teenage girl in public.



Headmaster broke this rule:
You can ask an audience to believe the impossible, but not the improbable.

I suggest playing hentai highschool+ for inspiration.
https://f95zone.to/threads/henthighschool-v1-9-5-hhs.1016/
It is to date the best school focused game i have found.

Take over is a good at creating the dystopian feel.
https://f95zone.to/threads/take-over-v0-23-studio-dystopia.10384/

Both games have there flaws but they are good as example's.
 
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kytee

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You really don't have to develop the setting too much, unless the plot relies heavily on the setting. The way it sounds right now, looks like you're only using the setting to explain why you have an all-girl school where teachers have absolute authority. If you're not going to explore in depth the politics of the government and its decision-making from the top all the way to the main character, there's no reason to mention or put time into the setting.

Here's an easy way to show a dystopian setting government without having to reveal too much. Have the icon of the government plastered everywhere around the school and in the classrooms. Have a scene where, in the morning, all the students have to say a pledge to their flag and their government that feels nazi-esque like "I pledge my body and my soul for the vast desires of my country" or something like that. You can have a girl refuse to say it, then have the teacher bend her over, pull her panties down, and spank her ass raw. Point taken, never disrespect the government or you get punished sexually.
 
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Well, based on your setup, it seems cruelty is going to be relative. Like what's been mentioned, it comes down to what you're asking your players to suspend their disbelief for. Having a different history than the world we live in certainly can provide context for branching authoritative strategies schools and headmasters employ.

From the sound of your game, the schools are much more about behavioral re-education. If it's normal for society to punish people through sexual humiliation and obedience training, my personal hangup with this type of game, I'd need to know why it works over other tactics. What does the ideal student look like? Are the tactics a last resort, or a first? How does this place get away with it without drawing the attention of other nations? How does punishment escalate? When spanking isn't enough, do you put them in restraints with a ball gag, or solitary confinement strapped to a vibe machine for days? Will you dive into the potentially severe mental trauma caused by mixing pain and pleasure and calling it punishment (feeling "good" can be learned to be feared which can be all kinds of messed up imo)?

Of course, you don't necessarily have to bog down your game with exposition, but you can certainly sprinkle it through dialogue or game progression. Depending on how much depth you want, you'll want to answer at least a few of these, and more as you go along. However the fact that I can come up with questions like this means you have a solid idea to start, and that's a good place to be. I hope this helps, good luck on building your game!
 

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From the sound of your game, the schools are much more about behavioral re-education.
Sorry for the confusion, the re-education law has ended after 30 years, and the new generation who were born
from "new" citizens do not need to have re-education anymore. The story happens in a tertiary school governed by a totalitarinized state where the brainwashing propaganda is included in the education system.

If it's normal for society to punish people through sexual humiliation and obedience training, my personal hangup with this type of game, I'd need to know why it works over other tactics.
Initially, sexual humiliation is not supposed to happened blatantly and in public, while for obedience "training", it happens
every day through subtle way in totalitarian countries. While this game does not seek to have reference to any real world countries, there does have examples of totalitarian countries around the world.
 
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Uhm, if I understand correctly, I should avoid depicting too much on the political settings since it's an erotic game
and most of the time, people don't know how the goverment works. At some point, I did want to have a poltical fable available just like books about dystopia such as 1984 and Brave New World, but that may be too overhelming to pull off by my own.
My suggestion is to do it the same way superpower does it:
https://f95zone.to/threads/superpowered-v0-39-01-hotfix-night-city-productions.124/

Having an info dump as intro but make sure it is skipable for future playthroughts.
Being forced through an info dump everytime you start over is like having the first missions on a game be the tutorial.
Evil, Wrong and requiring the dev's to be shot.
Sorry.
Putting the tutorial in the first mission is a pet peeve of mine.
Likewise you can turn the tutorial off in options in superpowered.

Info dumps are fine the first time around.
But only the first time.
Making them skipable is a must.
 

GIL3D

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I would avoid going with such a complex political background for your erotic game. As some said earlier, the player probably doesn't need to know most of these things. If your priority is eroticism, focus on that. A simple premise is usually all you need to get started.

As a rule of thumb, show, don't tell. Excessive exposition kills interest very fast if it's the first thing you throw at the audience.
Let them in, introduce them to the characters, and slowly and through them teach them about the world.

Regarding your tone worries, I'd say there is an audience for everything. Tell the story you want to tell.
 

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If you need help writing a story i have a lot of experience in that field. Creating and giving an outline of a world. Communication between people in those worlds I don't do well in. If you need assistance other then what has been given let me know.
 

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I read the part on dystopia and found it quite interesting, but was immediately creeped out by the school setting. A women's prison (but not a youth prison or educational facility!!!) in a dystopian state would be ok. Just make sure, the women are adults and better not too naive.
 

F22232425

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I read the part on dystopia and found it quite interesting, but was immediately creeped out by the school setting. A women's prison (but not a youth prison or educational facility!!!) in a dystopian state would be ok. Just make sure, the women are adults and better not too naive.
Sorry for the confusion, the re-education law has ended after 30 years, and the new generation who were born
from "new" citizens do not need to have re-education anymore. The story happens in a tertiary school governed by a totalitarinized state where the brainwashing propaganda is included in the education system.
While this game does not seek to have reference to real world,
but it did have totalitarian elements.
Just imagine what's the life like in North Korea etc.
 

F22232425

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If you need help writing a story i have a lot of experience in that field. Creating and giving an outline of a world. Communication between people in those worlds I don't do well in. If you need assistance other then what has been given let me know.
Thanks, as I am not a good wirter and English is neither my native lanague,
I will probably call for help on wirting later.
 

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I'd rather play the game that started 30 years ago in the middle of chaotic world events. the 'contemporary' version seems like the same game, but just in less interesting and dynamic surroundings.

but IF your point is that you WANT it to take place in 'quiet times' for slow burn or contrast or whatever, then the disastrous past just takes away from that. if you want conflicting times it should happen right at it starts or is at its worst. if you want quiet times to contrast the depravity and corruption, even a mention of BIGGER drama takes away from that. if you want a beautiful picture of a candle, don't put it next to a nuclear explosion.

but I like the backstory in itself.
 
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F22232425

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Now here is my final thoughts for the conclusion:

1. About whether it should have the puppet state govenment and 30 year part:

Since the game is for erotic and porn purpose, the political environment is only served as explaining how the government and
society are corrupted to the dystopian extent. So I may change to the environment that the country is under the infiltration of a totalitarin country and suffered great loss, so the government has started to take more extreme measures. In this case, the puppet state and the long spanning time period of 30 years can be left over.

2. About the nature of school:

Actually, I am kind of in dillemma whether the school should only be for girls just like in Echi-Sensai and the Headmaster or mixed.

Here are the pros and cons I have thought of for the mixed school:
Pro:Con:
The school could be more diversed and fairI will need more time to develop male characters and story for the game.
There will probably have ntr contentThis means harem end is more unlikely
There will have femdom content -> female teacher over male student for exampleAgain, more time to develop...


What do you think?
 

kytee

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Having guys in the school as well can make it fun, but just keep in mind your target audience. Some people vehemently oppose seeing other guys touch their property. I'm one of those. However, you can make it extremely interesting, in my opinion, if you have some couples in school who, when they misbehave, the MC cucks the ever living shit out of him by fucking his girlfriend in front of his face. Then if you want to please the sharing crowd, let the rest of the boys have a turn at her. You might be able to have the best of both worlds by making it optional.