SubscribeStar is safe?

[ippotimmo]

In another site i read this (i don't know the artist)

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In his post he says "SubscribeStar now no longer allows bestiality, rape or incest"
I went to read

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It is not allowed to use the SubscribeStar if you are, as a User - directly or indirectly - involved in any illegal activity connected (in a form of presenting, offering, selling, promoting, advocating, hyping on, or profiteering from) with the following types of businesses:
OBSCENITY, ABUSE, HARM

1. Bestiality, rape, or incest
2. Filthy, or disgusting words or pictures
3. Synthetic media and deepfakes, whether created with or without the use of Artificial Intelligence (aka, “AI”).
4. Animal cruelty or abuse in any shape or form - presenting, advocating, or promoting
5. Live child abuse imagery and child pornography. Pornography is defined as real people engaging in sexual acts such as masturbation or sexual intercourse on camera.
6. Services, conversations, products that promote hate, violence, discrimination, terrorism, harassment, or abuse of any kind
7. Self-harm or suicide

My attention si about " Pornography is defined as real people" so bestiality, rape, and incest are meant in real situation, not in fictional. Did i understand right?

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

This specific post was spoken about in the dev forums. The artist in question make pretty unapologetic content of near exclusively underage characters.

Now, will Substar always be the bastion it currently is? Maybe, maybe not. But "bestiality, rape, and incest" is not what happened here.

 

[Count Morado]

Did i understand right?

No.

In his post he says "SubscribeStar now no longer allows bestiality, rape or incest"

They haven't allowed it for at least a couple years.

 

[morphnet]

No, you should take it as all forms and if in doubt contact them for clarification.

 

[ippotimmo]

Thanks for the answers

Now i'm a little worried

 

[LfkCn]

The rules on Patreon were already present on SubscribeStar as well. They just didn’t really enforce them before. Maybe now they’re finally going to start applying those rules, who knows? Especially after everything that’s happened recently, it wouldn’t be surprising.

 

[anne O'nymous]

They haven't allowed it for at least a couple years.

And them finally enforcing this part of their rules was to expect since they started to add a, so far messed, age check process.

 

[ippotimmo]

I don't understand why age verification is only for porn. If you really want to protect children, age verification should also be required in videogame stores because there are games VM18 not porn

 

[morphnet]

I don't understand why age verification is only for porn. If you really want to protect children, age verification should also be required in videogame stores because there are games VM18 not porn

There have been many different types for a very long time just not on the scale that you find now

 

[orellion]

There have been many different types for a very long time just not on the scale that you find now

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By "just not on the scale", you mean "do not protect any children".

 

[morphnet]

By "just not on the scale", you mean "do not protect any children".

I have no idea, I've seen ones that range from what I posted to requiring a credit card etc.

I can not say if they have protected one, some, many or any. I was simply answering the question as to why only porn and showing it's not only porn.

 

[Iexist]

Subscribestar was always a stopgap measure. I have no idea why people didn't understand that, and keep failing to understand that.

I remember way back when Patreon got serious about purging certain content from their platform, when people were mass emigrating to Subscribestar, that I told some peeps that this wouldn't work. I told them that it's just a matter of time until it happens again, as soon as substar becomes big enough that attention to it will become too big.

It hasn't quite started yet, but it probably won't be much longer.

Jumping from one platform to another will not fix this. It's not a solution. It's not sustainable. However, until people and band together and push for force governments to create laws and regulations that protect fiction as fiction, this will just keep happening. This especially needs to happen in the US and in leading EU member states like France and Germany. The UK and Australia should also act.

There is no "safe haven" for Western Users, and one cannot be made under current circumstances.

 

[peterppp]

I remember way back when Patreon got serious about purging certain content from their platform, when people were mass emigrating to Subscribestar, that I told some peeps that this wouldn't work. I told them that it's just a matter of time until it happens again, as soon as substar becomes big enough that attention to it will become too big.

but it has worked. people have made money on ss until now and will do so until whenever.

your "it wont work" is meaningless and helps no one. one day, you will die. does that mean "nothing will work" because it will definitely be over when you die? you do the best of the current situation.

 

[Iexist]

but it has worked. people have made money on ss until now and will do so until whenever.

your "it wont work" is meaningless and helps no one. one day, you will die. does that mean "nothing will work" because it will definitely be over when you die? you do the best of the current situation.

And if subscribestar goes full Patreon by the end of the year, what will these people end up doing then? As far as I'm aware, there's no alternative platform right now that can be used. Not a Western one anyway. As is, when the Patreon purge happened, some creators lost as much as 30-40% of their income because they had plenty of supporters that were relying on PayPal, and Subscribestar doesn't offer that as an option.

Also, you act as if I said that "nothing will work", when I said that "jumping from platform to platform" will not work. If it wasn't clear from my post, I meant that it won't work because eventually, you're going to run out of platforms to jump too.

I also said rather clearly what can be done to change the situation. It's not a quick or easy solution that people want, but it's the only thing that will work in the long run. Otherwise, I guess people can wait for things to keep getting worse. If people don't fight for their rights, their rights will be trampled eventually. It's as simple as that.

 

[peterppp]

And if subscribestar goes full Patreon by the end of the year, what will these people end up doing then?

what does that "if" matter NOW? should they not have used ss to continue making money after leaving patreon? should they have stopped funding their game because of what might possibly happen sometime in the future? if you think that like that, you should just lie down and die BECAUSE YOU WILL EVENTUALLY

what we do now matters even though it will all end sooner or later

drop that loser logic

 

[Iexist]

what does that "if" matter NOW? should they not have used ss to continue making money after leaving patreon? should they have stopped funding their game because of what might possibly happen sometime in the future? if you think that like that, you should just lie down and die BECAUSE YOU WILL EVENTUALLY

what we do now matters even though it will all end sooner or later

drop that loser logic

No, but they should have started what's barely started now. Petitions. Noise in social media. Calls to VISA and MC and PayPal, and hell even Patreon. There's a lot of things that should have been started then, not now, when it might turn out to be too little, too late.

Hell, people should have made noise back when Nutaku opened up and explained that they had to censor or refuse a lot of content because payment processors would otherwise refuse to do business with them. They should have made noise when DMM was forced to impose a massive region lock because of these companies.

That didn't happen though.

Instead people ran away and figured that "things will work out"... and surprise surprise... it's not working out and it's only now, when people are being pressed into a corner that they're starting to realize that "hey, maybe you can't just run away forever".

What part of what I said had anything to do with giving up when my whole point is that people should have fought? Are you incapable of comprehending what I'm actually saying? Is my English so bad that that you can't differentiate between me saying "people should have thought harder back then" and instead it reads as "people should have given up"?

 

[orellion]

And if subscribestar goes full Patreon by the end of the year, what will these people end up doing then? As far as I'm aware, there's no alternative platform right now that can be used. Not a Western one anyway. As is, when the Patreon purge happened, some creators lost as much as 30-40% of their income because they had plenty of supporters that were relying on PayPal, and Subscribestar doesn't offer that as an option.

Also, you act as if I said that "nothing will work", when I said that "jumping from platform to platform" will not work. If it wasn't clear from my post, I meant that it won't work because eventually, you're going to run out of platforms to jump too.

I also said rather clearly what can be done to change the situation. It's not a quick or easy solution that people want, but it's the only thing that will work in the long run. Otherwise, I guess people can wait for things to keep getting worse. If people don't fight for their rights, their rights will be trampled eventually. It's as simple as that.

It's in Subscribestar's interest to fill a niche Patreon doesn't, otherwise people would just use Patreon. It has a better platform, faster payouts, and better customer service. Paypal dropped them and Subscribestar hasn't made an effort, and doesn't seem interested in, appeasing the draconians. With the statement in their FAQ reading: We do not envision us using PayPal as a payment option in the foreseeable future.

 

[peterppp]

Is my English so bad that that you can't differentiate between me saying "people should have thought harder back then" and instead it reads as "people should have given up"?

people will go to where they can to fund their games. it takes a lot of motivation and a lot of people to start some push back like we're seeing now. a few adult devs moving to ss could not do that even if they wanted to. even if they did try, they would still be on ss meanwhile, so your words of "this wont work/what will you do then?" is useless now and was useless then. you think you're so smart stating obvious things but people will still go where they can to fund games.

 

[Count Morado]

It's in Subscribestar's interest to fill a niche Patreon doesn't, otherwise people would just use Patreon. It has a better platform, faster payouts, and better customer service. Paypal dropped them and Subscribestar hasn't made an effort, and doesn't seem interested in, appeasing the draconians. With the statement in their FAQ reading: We do not envision us using PayPal as a payment option in the foreseeable future.

No, no they do not have "better customer service" - As for a "better platform," that's a Coke vs. Pepsi debate - I have no clue about their payouts.

Also, it doesn't matter that they aren't using PayPal - they still accept credit cards, so they are "appeasing the draconians." And they doubled down on that in July 2022 after the Australian Government knocked on their proverbial door and with search warrants regarding one certain developer. That's when they became both much clearer and more broad in what is prohibited on their site --- even if they aren't actively enforcing those prohibitions, yet. Much of that is due to the fact that they have a very limited staff (even more so than Patreon) and so they take a long time to respond to reports, etc.

 

[anne O'nymous]

And if subscribestar goes full Patreon by the end of the year, what will these people end up doing then?

You totally miss the point.

The fact that, in a none quantifiable future, SubscribeStar will, potentially, enforce a ban that is, anyway, already in their ToS since years, doesn't mean that, so far and this since seven and half years, creators on didn't SubscribeStar achieved to earn up to tenths thousands/month with content banned on Patreon. It's not because you'll, perhaps, be right in a, more or less, distant future, that you are right now, and even less that you were right seven and half years ago.

Also, you act as if I said that "nothing will work", when I said that "jumping from platform to platform" will not work. If it wasn't clear from my post, I meant that it won't work because eventually, you're going to run out of platforms to jump too.

Yet, for seven and half years, what is more than a quarter of your life if you're below 30yo, and therefore a fucking long period of time, they continued to earn money. In fact, many among them earned more than they would have through Patreon. This because, by its sole existence, SubscribeStar create a cognitive bias that make patrons perceive the game as more spicy than it can possibly be, what make them be more indulgent regarding the quality of the game itself.

I also said rather clearly what can be done to change the situation.

No, you said that you clearly don't know shit about what is legal and what is not. In the USA, among other countries, fiction is protected as fiction, yet fictions involving underage sex or rape are not legal. This because the issue isn't the fact that it's a fiction, but the fact that this fiction can not be dissociate from an apology of a crime.

If people don't fight for their rights, their rights will be trampled eventually. It's as simple as that.

People never had the right to make apology of crimes, period.

And, no, I'll not explain again why it's apology, I'm tired to deal with lost children and their delusion.