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Dushar67

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5 chapters for this game. The whole road plan is 5 eras, each with 20 chapters, or 4 games per era. However, it will be the same protagonist throughout the games of each era, so we aren't even 20% through his story yet.
I appreciate the clarification.

think a lot of your complaints stem from this misunderstanding. If you look at it as a single game of 5 chapters, yeah, I'd want the action to be more fast paced too. But if you look at it as a story of 20 chapters, spread across 4 games, cramming too much stuff into the opening act with nothing after is gonna upset the pacing. After all, a porn game is still a game.
I don't know man. Will just have to agree to disagree. I understand your point though. I still don't see why the sex scenes have to be so scarce and spread thin between the love interests, when it could be plentiful. Because like I posted previously it is a porn game. The only other reason I can think of is that it would take more work to include so many sex scenes with the love interests. That of course would be a conflict of interest for Zion considering that's not a focal point of the game. That's a valid decision. Even though its not something I agree with. If he plans for the love interests only to get one sex scene per character, then it kind of feels like a half assed reason to even include them in the first place imo.

plus you gotta consider the pacing for a couple other things: the lore and the developer. Lorewise, it doesn't make sense for the MC out on their first mission as a hunter, after years of training and conditioning to resist temptation, to start boning the week he left Avalon. And as for the Developer's pacing, as I said earlier, the goal is 100 chapters, with 5~6 succubi each, plus any extra scenes that may be added. A person can only produce so much good quality smut. gotta keep it steady, no using it all in one place.
I mean lorewise, aren't the hunters perfectly fine with banging women? As long as their not a succubus? Its not like the hunters are monks. If my memory serves me right, I'm pretty sure there's conversation in the prologue while the Mc is in training that they should have sex with women frequently so that there not tempted to sleep with a succubus.
 
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Dushar67

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I can see the chapter question was already explained but you should try to actually read with more care. I never said the sex scenes in this game are boring. What I said is that if you go apeshit too early and have too many sex scenes you will get into trouble later because the people have seen everything but you still need to add more.

THIS will most likely result in boring or uninspired stuff.
You could've done a better job explaining that in your first reply. Still, that's a valid argument I can agree with. But going cold turkey with the sex or romance in these chapters with love interests is not a good idea imo. Zion made the right decision to at least include one intimate scene With Atessatia. If he continues to do this with all the love interests, with every chapter or allows us to choose which ones were interested in. I would be much more open to the idea.


I hope you are aware that almost no one get all his fetishes with this game. Some stuff is yay, others are nay, a few are in between. Shouldn't be a new situation for you because neither life nor games will always bend to your will.^^
I hope you are aware, that this in no way applies to me. This was in response to your disbelief of my love for the game due to being disappointed in the amount of "non succubus sex". You should take your own advice with reading with care. Its no problem for me that my fetishes aren't in the forefront for this game. in fact, I reaffirmed in my previous post. That I enjoyed this game for its story and characters and other things, etc.


Come again? The only direct teaser contact the player had so far with Iole is after the tutorial/prologue when you find her in that box and maybe a few romantic dialogues later. One could think you had to sit there for ten whole chapters without getting anything. :D
Fyi, I was mainly talking about Attesssia in chapter 3, but this could also apply to iole. especially considering Zion fucked up with removing the early sex scene. I cant confirm if that's true though. If it is, than I still hate it. Regardless of the developers vison, you should never remove content. Especially when the game itself isn't completed. Its just an inconsiderate move to supporters who enjoyed said content.


Oh and... do you have a detailed list of how a porn game has to be created? It's up to the dev how much and how often porn will appear. We get at least six succubus for each chapter, that's a lot of porn for me already. The love interests are a nice bonus with true romance, not some life or death situation with a succubus.^^' Some people might meet in real life and bang at the very first date, totally ok. But that's not a common situation, no matter if we are talking about a game or the real stuff.
Dude, you don't have to be such a smartass. I'm the first person to call out entitlement in what people should expect or want in porn games. I expressed displeasure in Zion's decision. If you weren't fanboying for him so hard, you would understand that. It was by no means an attack on his personal vison on how or what should or shouldn't be in his game. No where, did I say that he needed to add in my desires for it be a good or an enjoyable game. Also I think your minimizing the amount of people that just meet and fuck in real life. When you consider bars, Anonymous sex apps, Its actually fairly common.


Well, now you know and maybe you can relax a bit for the future. I don't mind to answer questions or help people when they are stuck in the game but I'm getting a bit salty if people pay no attention or don't understand how the game is build and either demand that this or that has to be added or debate forever about topics they won't be able to change.
Well maybe you need to take your advice. Considering your getting triggered over a difference of opinion. And your misunderstanding my criticisms as an actual attack on the developer when they aren't.



The dev will ask his patrons from time to time what they would like to see or what could be better/improved but we won't get the wheel and that's good. :D

Do you realize how stupid that sounds? So just because I'm not paying any money? I shouldn't be able to express How I feel about a decision's in the game. Or have a desire for content of my liking to be added. I mean if you really believe that, then we should probably just shut the whole forum down. So nobody can complain or criticize the decisions made by devs about their games.
 

Dushar67

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Maybe you should simply wait for more content and see what happens next? I had a few conversations with Zion both here and on his Discord server. Looks like the man has a solid concept for the whole game and the supporters are hyped for more.
I don't need you to tell me that, But I will try to be more informed in the future.


"Add sex scenes now, no more teasing." Doesn't sound like love for anything but fast smut releases but ok, you win.~
Don't put words in my mouth, I never demanded that he add sex scenes. Just that I'm disappointed there weren't any for the love interests. I don't know how you keep misconstruing my point.. But whatever.


It will return later. Temporally removed isn't equal to forever deleted. When the point is reached for having the scene in the game it will return.

I guess that's good to know. I still think that sucks it was removed in the first place. But it is what it is.


Yes, the displeasure is strong with you. It's impossible to miss.^^' I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore fanboy. I can tell when someone has lost his ways and just milks cash now. Which results in a fairly quick goodbye from me.
With all the snark and condescension that's crawling out of your ass in these replies, Its obvious your fanboying, at least a little.



Anonymous sex apps and banging at the bar sounds like people who have only sex in mind. What does this have to do with the first date where sex isn't the goal?
I was simply correcting you on how you said its "not common for people to meet up and have sex". This is false, there are plenty of places like bars, parties and other social areas, where just meeting up to have sex is usually a common thing.

You can attack him all you want if you must.^^ I wouldn't recommend it but have it your way.
The hell is your problem? I already told you my intensions aren't to attack him. So obviously I don't intend to do it.

The thing about patreon was kind of unnecessary, because I feel you were trying to invalidate my criticisms by saying "well your not paying so it doesn't matter" If that was was not your intention then I apologize. And I expect nothing from Zion as he has made me no promises. Take the time to actually read what I wrote instead of coming to such conclusions.
 
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Zion of Olympus

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What a giant disappointment that last boss was .. Such a cool design and all I get is a handjob .. bruh.
You are aware that all generals have 2 scenes right?
Her first scene is a handjob, but there is another one, post victory.
 

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I don't need you to tell me that, But I will try to be more informed in the future.




Don't put words in my mouth, I never demanded that he add sex scenes. Just that I'm disappointed there weren't any for the love interests. I don't know how you keep misconstruing my point.. But whatever.





I guess that's good to know. I still think that sucks it was removed in the first place. But it is what it is.




With all the snark and condescension that's crawling out of your ass in these replies, Its obvious your fanboying, at least a little.





I was simply correcting you on how you said its "not common for people to meet up and have sex". This is false, there are plenty of places like bars, parties and other social areas, where just meeting up to have sex is usually a common thing.



The hell is your problem? I already told you my intensions aren't to attack him. So obviously I don't intend to do it.

The thing about patreon was kind of unnecessary, because I feel you were trying to invalidate my criticisms by saying "well your not paying so it doesn't matter" If that was was not your intention then I apologize. And I expect nothing from Zion as he has made me no promises. Take the time to actually read what I wrote instead of coming to such conclusions.
I get what you are saying, and I'm glad you enjoyed the game. Here are some of my points:

-What triggered me to answer your comment was the word "lame". It made zero sense for a hentai scene with Atessatia at that moment. She's not convinced yet that you are strong enough to be "the one" for her, if you followed her story. She's very demanding with men. It's part of her appeal and personality.

-I saw you say "but it's a porn game". I consider SC an adult game, not a porn game. What the difference, you might ask: Not everything is about sex.
That's why, besides succubi who actually act like succubi, demons are demons and not hot girls. You have demon plants, demon spider, etc. None of them sexy.
That's why I take my time writing lore and characters motivations.
The moment I start to consider SC a just a "porn game" will be the moment you see me dropping it to work on something else. I have no motivation to work on a "porn game" with dick jokes and all that.
My motivation with SC is to create a world like diablo, but where succubi act like lust demons tempting men.
You however, are free to consider SC whatever you wish to be so.

-You said that adalon hunters like to fuck girls and have no problem. Yes, they do fuck them, no problem at all in that. Once they finish a job is only fair they go to a whore house. Love Interests however, are not whores. Sex will happen when it makes sense, Once you explore them and deepen your bond with them.

-I like to follow the story, what makes sense for each character. They will all have quests that will result in ecchi scenes. Later, once you deepen your bonds with them, these quest will result in sex scenes that will make sense for the story and their personality. The only enemies that use sex openly are succubi, because it's part of their being. They use sex as a weapon against men.
 

Dushar67

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What triggered me to answer your comment was the word "lame". It made zero sense for a hentai scene with Atessatia at that moment. She's not convinced yet that you are strong enough to be "the one" for her, if you followed her story. She's very demanding with men. It's part of her appeal and personality.
I mean if saving her from death. And all the other badass stuff she's seen Mc do aren't enough to convince her that he is strong enough then I don't know what will... Its still your decision, and I respect it. I do apologize for the word "lame" Since it bothered you so much. Your a hardworking dev. Your much more friendly and interactive with the community than a lot of other devs. I definitely don't want you to think that I don't appreciate the amount of work your putting into this. I have a lot of respect for your work. I will definitely try to be more mindful in the future. In regards to my its just "porn game" comment. After some reflection I have come to understand that it was pretty insensitive to you as a developer. As you give us really good art and a pretty cool story, with good characters. As well as decent timed updates unlike some developers Cough (Bo wei and Koda). I hope we can put this behind us. I'm really look forward to chapter 4, Keep up the good work Zion.
 
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Zion of Olympus

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I mean if saving her from death. And all the other badass stuff she's seen Mc do aren't enough to convince her that he is strong enough then I don't know what will... Its still your decision, and I respect it. I do apologize for the word "lame" Since it bothered you so much. Your a hardworking dev. Your much more friendly and interactive with the community than a lot of other devs. I definitely don't want you to think that I don't appreciate the amount of work your putting into this. I have a lot of respect for your work. I will definitely try to be more mindful in the future. In regards to my its just "porn game" comment. After some reflection I have come to understand that it was pretty insensitive to you as a developer. As you give us really good art and a pretty cool story, with good characters. As well as decent timed updates unlike some developers Cough (Bo wei and Koda). I hope we can put this behind us. I'm really look forward to To chapter 4, Keep up the good work Zion ✌
Will do :)
 

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Seeing that Asariel is Kain's waifu, is there any chance for protagonist to get an angel love interest?
Not for this era. The four love interests are already revealed so we have to wait for the next era (no guarantee it will happen then, I doubt it) but we can hope for some smexy times with an angel if we follow orders and do what the angels want. :D
 

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Not for this era. The four love interests are already revealed so we have to wait for the next era (no guarantee it will happen then, I doubt it) but we can hope for some smexy times with an angel if we follow orders and do what the angels want. :D
Four!? There's Iole, Atessatia, Medea, who's the fourth?
 

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the witch was feeding the elemental clan info.
Oh, and here I was thinking that there was some real grey morals area. But no, bitch is just yet another succubi pawn. I don't even consider stat boosts from her as worthy trade off anymore. Choice is clear - burn the witch!
 

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I get what you are saying, and I'm glad you enjoyed the game. Here are some of my points:

-What triggered me to answer your comment was the word "lame". It made zero sense for a hentai scene with Atessatia at that moment. She's not convinced yet that you are strong enough to be "the one" for her, if you followed her story. She's very demanding with men. It's part of her appeal and personality.

-I saw you say "but it's a porn game". I consider SC an adult game, not a porn game. What the difference, you might ask: Not everything is about sex.
That's why, besides succubi who actually act like succubi, demons are demons and not hot girls. You have demon plants, demon spider, etc. None of them sexy.
That's why I take my time writing lore and characters motivations.
The moment I start to consider SC a just a "porn game" will be the moment you see me dropping it to work on something else. I have no motivation to work on a "porn game" with dick jokes and all that.
My motivation with SC is to create a world like diablo, but where succubi act like lust demons tempting men.
You however, are free to consider SC whatever you wish to be so.

-You said that adalon hunters like to fuck girls and have no problem. Yes, they do fuck them, no problem at all in that. Once they finish a job is only fair they go to a whore house. Love Interests however, are not whores. Sex will happen when it makes sense, Once you explore them and deepen your bond with them.

-I like to follow the story, what makes sense for each character. They will all have quests that will result in ecchi scenes. Later, once you deepen your bonds with them, these quest will result in sex scenes that will make sense for the story and their personality. The only enemies that use sex openly are succubi, because it's part of their being. They use sex as a weapon against men.
Adult game? Porn with Plot? It doesn't matter what label you put on SC because it's a fantastic game and I wouldn't be hooked on it if not for both the Sexy Succubi and the time and effort you've put into building your setting.
 

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Dahlia fight is such bullshit. Her ring has half as much hp as she has and has what feels like 100% dodge. I tried 3 times to brake the ring before fighting her and failed every time, but the first time I tried to just bash her ignoring the ring I won easily. Bitch needs complete rework. :confused:
 

Zion of Olympus

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Dahlia fight is such bullshit. Her ring has half as much hp as she has and has what feels like 100% dodge. I tried 3 times to brake the ring before fighting her and failed every time, but the first time I tried to just bash her ignoring the ring I won easily. Bitch needs complete rework. :confused:
Please, read the description of every skill. There is one called Pommel Strike, that never misses but it's rather weak.
2 or 3 pommel strikes are enough to bring her ring down.
 
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