Not a single person has pointed out that her hair is suddenly two-tone... hence why I was assuming it might be AI art, that's the sort to weirdness you get by generating new stuff from source materials and the convolutional AI picks up on the wrong stuff... like how lighting can affect hair color. Also, some of the arms are weirdly skinny, super odd body proportions. But hey, at least I haven't noticed any extra fingers!
RPGM Succum Brewery [v0.4.4] [LimeJuiceGames]
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…but we haven’t a look at her toes…
DemonLord98
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I honestly don't think it's AI art. The drawings themselves looks fine. I just think it's colored and shaded in really weird.
why does this artist have such a hard time with nipples? there's a surprising amount of variation in them... sometimes they're lavender, sometimes dark pink, sometimes they stick out, sometimes they are flat, sometimes they are in middle of the boob, sometimes they're on the bottom... i doubt it'd bother me so much if it wasn't so all-over-the-place
In all probability it's not AI art, hence my cracking wise about the lack of extra fingers (I would have also accepted too few fingers). But hard to tell these days...
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This comparison is quite a good way to show why the new feel "flatter".
Here are my 5 cents about the new images:
- (good) Consistent coloring and body proportions
- (neutral) The silhouettes in the new poses are more consistent, but a bit more ambiguous on what is happening. I liked how you could see the nipple poking out in the old "Drink Cum" and "Pour Drink" poses, but in the new poses it does not stick out.
- (bad) lineart has grown slimer, less bold. Which does not help with the drawn style that was previously used. I haven't seen the rest of the game to see if this line sliming was applied evenly to not have a clash of styles within the game.
- (bad) the shading looks more like grey shading, instead of color shading. This makes the contrast between the background lights and Cats dress less outstanding.
Question to Lime: If Genno still has the original files for the new poses, could you please ask them to increase the contrast on the shading layers? That would help with the perceived "flatness".
I say this, because I have seen the spoiler image of Annica on the Discord and there the shading contrast is more in depth.
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Hrrm on that new artwork, (which is well made!) to get it closer to the style folks are used to I would suggest lowering the overall brightness/value of everything except the highlights and rim lighting, and increasing the colour content/saturation levels of the shadows, probably up the saturation of the base skin toon too.
The side by sides make it clear the newer artwork is brighter overall, the highlights are closer in valve to the base tone and the base tone is closer in value to the shadows which is making it hard for my brain to trick itself into thinking it's a 3d object.
Also thematically she works in a nightclub so she shouldn't be so well light that the shadows start to disappear
The side by sides make it clear the newer artwork is brighter overall, the highlights are closer in valve to the base tone and the base tone is closer in value to the shadows which is making it hard for my brain to trick itself into thinking it's a 3d object.
Also thematically she works in a nightclub so she shouldn't be so well light that the shadows start to disappear
I have to agree with the others that the new art has lost some of the magic sauce that the old art had. It feels a bit flat and sterile.
A few more layers in post processing could probably bridge the gap.
As far as the consistency issue, from what I gather by playing the game. The artist doesn't have a library of references and tools drawn up that they can copy/paste as a starting point (poses, facial expressions etc), every single scene seems to be drawn from scratch.
I don't want it to seem like I'm shitting on the artist, I think the artist has been doing a great job so far. There are just some workflow issues there if consistency is a high priority.
A few more layers in post processing could probably bridge the gap.
As far as the consistency issue, from what I gather by playing the game. The artist doesn't have a library of references and tools drawn up that they can copy/paste as a starting point (poses, facial expressions etc), every single scene seems to be drawn from scratch.
I don't want it to seem like I'm shitting on the artist, I think the artist has been doing a great job so far. There are just some workflow issues there if consistency is a high priority.
Wait did I miss something? You guys are talking about new art but thread still shows no updates since 2022?
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here is my unofficial Android port of Succum Brewery v0.4.1a.
minimum system requirements: Android 8.0
you can import save files by the dev when starting a new game and no others are present.
be advised, save slots 1-10 are now reserved as 'Autosave' slots. copied save files in these slots will be overwritten when the autosave feature is enabled (the default state).
if you want to import PC save files manually, never ever use an index file (
instead, save your game to the desired slot and overwrite the created save file (e.g.
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you can import save files by the dev when starting a new game and no others are present.
be advised, save slots 1-10 are now reserved as 'Autosave' slots. copied save files in these slots will be overwritten when the autosave feature is enabled (the default state).
if you want to import PC save files manually, never ever use an index file (
global.rpgsave) created by the PC release.instead, save your game to the desired slot and overwrite the created save file (e.g.
file66.rpgsave) with your PC save file.have fun and please report problems (you can reach me
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The last two image comparisons here are 100% a downgrade in sexiness. The ass shot with the panties was 10/10. The buttcheeks is stupid by comparison. Real shame. The skin is also too bright, where's the skin tone and shading gone? I used to support this project on patreon but development was a bit too slow for my liking. I keep track now hoping to support it again but this re-doing of already completed work in a project that isn't yet complete is sad stuff to see. We're here because we liked the artwork, why tf would you rework it?
The art looks higher quality, or at least more detailed... but it's missing something.
She's not blushing and sweating as much. In the shot from behind her ass is bigger but you lose the view of her panties.
Some parts of it are more overtly sexual, but somehow come out less erotic.
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its the art style
its like with pixel art you can see the black outlines, in the original art you can see the thick outlines on her arms which makes it give a distinct look, while the new art does have outlines it is thinner and lighter, which imo kinda meshes into the lighter skin color with the new art making it look like a blob
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ultimately the decision itself to redo the art 3 years down the development is a silly one, when you could just have had redrawn portion of the illustration (like the nipples for examples).
The changes would be justified and everyone would have welcomed it if the new art was substantially better, it's not the case, so I really don't think it was a smart thing to do.
The changes would be justified and everyone would have welcomed it if the new art was substantially better, it's not the case, so I really don't think it was a smart thing to do.
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I'll write my 2 cents here in case the Dev reads this and I'll try to keep things to simple critique as possible without sounding too negative, but lets be clear first... the game itself as is, is still S tier, so with that being said...
#1: As everyone said, the new art is... weird, to say the least, she looks like 2 different characters and its massively noticeable and doesn't look very good. If the original artist doesn't want to do more, or something else is going on, then so be it, but the "new" art definitely needs a touch-up or re-do. The original art at times, also looked like "baby's first 2d art project" but at least it solidified the looks of Catherine and made us all love her, so keeping the art as close to that as possible, would be the best move.
#2: You got rid of the brewing system(almost, you can still interact with it, if you go to the 'recollection' menu, the brewing system icon is still there and still clickable and still allows you to brew drinks) and that is a great start, but the "click z at the right time" bartending 'mini-game' really needs to go as well. It would look better and be more fun to interact with, if you simply added the drink art, BEHIND Catherine along the counter and allowed people to mouse-click on them **one time** or arrow key + z click on them **one time** and just simply choose a drink, or just add the art of the drinks behind her and remove all the annoying menu clicking alltogether and just have a "make drink" button and be done with it. I get it, making the mini games is fun, but its exhausting to the player. The mini-games need to be remade to be unimaginably simple, or just thrown out. All of the art for the scenes in which she interacts with the chuds and has orgasms or whatever, can easily stay and shouldn't need unnecessary repeated clicks just to see the fun stuff. /rant
#3: Sound: Music is great, voice acting from Catherine in some spots is awful. Like the noise of her sucking on a bottle is.... just awful to listen too, as it sounds like someone forcing themselves to super-suck something and not trying to be "sexy" about it all, as if the entire recording was 'forced'.
#4: I know 1-3 is a lot, but also new content is sorely needed, last few updates have had nothing really happening at all. With that in mind, the "obstacles" of dirt and random objects all over the floor in different scenes, makes them so annoying to traverse, like rock piles, fire hydrants, lamp posts. These are all things that cause the player to have to click EVEN MORE just to get around them and they're absolutely irritating. You could easily leave them there for aesthetics/background but make them passable just by simple walking over them. That would be a welcomed update by everyone and its a tiny change which would make a huge impact, you'd be surprised how many extra clicks it is, especially in the sewers.
Anyways, still love the game, and still looking forward too some juicy updates.
#1: As everyone said, the new art is... weird, to say the least, she looks like 2 different characters and its massively noticeable and doesn't look very good. If the original artist doesn't want to do more, or something else is going on, then so be it, but the "new" art definitely needs a touch-up or re-do. The original art at times, also looked like "baby's first 2d art project" but at least it solidified the looks of Catherine and made us all love her, so keeping the art as close to that as possible, would be the best move.
#2: You got rid of the brewing system(almost, you can still interact with it, if you go to the 'recollection' menu, the brewing system icon is still there and still clickable and still allows you to brew drinks) and that is a great start, but the "click z at the right time" bartending 'mini-game' really needs to go as well. It would look better and be more fun to interact with, if you simply added the drink art, BEHIND Catherine along the counter and allowed people to mouse-click on them **one time** or arrow key + z click on them **one time** and just simply choose a drink, or just add the art of the drinks behind her and remove all the annoying menu clicking alltogether and just have a "make drink" button and be done with it. I get it, making the mini games is fun, but its exhausting to the player. The mini-games need to be remade to be unimaginably simple, or just thrown out. All of the art for the scenes in which she interacts with the chuds and has orgasms or whatever, can easily stay and shouldn't need unnecessary repeated clicks just to see the fun stuff. /rant
#3: Sound: Music is great, voice acting from Catherine in some spots is awful. Like the noise of her sucking on a bottle is.... just awful to listen too, as it sounds like someone forcing themselves to super-suck something and not trying to be "sexy" about it all, as if the entire recording was 'forced'.
#4: I know 1-3 is a lot, but also new content is sorely needed, last few updates have had nothing really happening at all. With that in mind, the "obstacles" of dirt and random objects all over the floor in different scenes, makes them so annoying to traverse, like rock piles, fire hydrants, lamp posts. These are all things that cause the player to have to click EVEN MORE just to get around them and they're absolutely irritating. You could easily leave them there for aesthetics/background but make them passable just by simple walking over them. That would be a welcomed update by everyone and its a tiny change which would make a huge impact, you'd be surprised how many extra clicks it is, especially in the sewers.
Anyways, still love the game, and still looking forward too some juicy updates.
tl;dr: Castbelt loves your game, but would love it even better if you removed all the gameplay, redid the the art and voice, and added more content.
LimeJuiceGames if all this negativity is discouraging, please know that all this does come from a place of love. With great interest comes great expectations, or something like that. You've created something that draws passion out of people. If they truly thought the game was bad, they wouldn't even bother to leave feedback.
True, it is very much harrowing to create something that you believe is an improvement just to be met with such negative sentiment in response AND extremely discouraging to interact with the community when caught in such situation. And while that doesn't change my dislike for the art change, I do hope the author is not discouraged and sticks with whatever aligns with their vision. Game is still incredible overall and they've still done an amazing job so far, and hopefully on good track to finish their game.