Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

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TGafy

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Cube78 said:
That's exactly what I meant when I said that splitting the remaining tasks was a BAD idea (unless also the same was done also for completed tasks - obvioulsy a waste of time).

I try to develop the example that another user posted above.
  • Let's say we have 100 tasks. 84 are completed, so the progress is 84%
  • 16 task are remaining, not homogeneous in terms of effort.
  • 8 out of 16 tasks are huge, and have to be split each one in 4 subtasks -> 32 tasks resulting, representing the same work to be done
  • 5 out of 16 tasks are big but not huge, and are split in 2 subtasks -> 10 more tasks resulting, representing the same work to be done
  • 3 out of 16 are small tasks and don't need to be split
  • Totally we have 32 + 10 + 3 = 45 tasks to be done
  • Previously we had 84/100 done -> 84%. Now we have 84/(84+45) -> 84/129 -> 65.11%
The same amount of work remaining, but the percentage drops.
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Cube78 said:
That's exactly what I meant when I said that splitting the remaining tasks was a BAD idea (unless also the same was done also for completed tasks - obvioulsy a waste of time).

I try to develop the example that another user posted above.
  • Let's say we have 100 tasks. 84 are completed, so the progress is 84%
  • 16 task are remaining, not homogeneous in terms of effort.
  • 8 out of 16 tasks are huge, and have to be split each one in 4 subtasks -> 32 tasks resulting, representing the same work to be done
  • 5 out of 16 tasks are big but not huge, and are split in 2 subtasks -> 10 more tasks resulting, representing the same work to be done
  • 3 out of 16 are small tasks and don't need to be split
  • Totally we have 32 + 10 + 3 = 45 tasks to be done
  • Previously we had 84/100 done -> 84%. Now we have 84/(84+45) -> 84/129 -> 65.11%
The same amount of work remaining, but the percentage drops.
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I applaud your effort, but at the same time I can't feel too hopeful many people will actually understand, or want to understand in the first place. The issues are blindingly obvious to anyone with development experience, and completely incomprehensible and irrelevant to anyone without. People have been saying for months minimum that the tasks are not created equal and yet this simple bit of information eludes a lot of the people in this thread. Sometimes people just want to complain and you're not going to convince them their complaints aren't the most factually correct thing since Galileo uttered his famous quote.

As for the actual splitting, honestly, good decision made way too late. Big tasks complicate development and make it appear more sluggish than it is. But we'll have another influx of tasks (and resulting percentage decrease) anyway when the new version is "complete", testing starts, and the bug tickets come flooding in. I foresee a similar rash of complaints and crying from people who, again, have never developed anything in an organized fashion in their lives.
 
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Stray is really going a it on the mini games he knocked out another six over the last week. I'm also waiting on the dust to fully settle before I start posting the detailed changlog because so far they haven't split any of the larger task, all they've done is add task for the new character intro cut scenes, and other bits and bobs related to the new locations for the expanded map. These task had existed internally for months and hadn't been added to the tracker because most of them are small task. It has also been stated on Discord that they aren't done yet as going over 20+ months of work figuring out how to best break up the tasks to accurately reflect how much work is left is unsurprisingly very challenging almost like this was a bad idea.
 
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manneychin said:
03-Dec-2020: DC calls a vote between the Tech Update and the Rhonda Update, saying both will take and I quote: "roughly the same amount of time (3 to 4 months) to complete"
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14-Feb-2021 (~3 months later): DC claims that work on the Tech Update has started with himself. The team is about to join in, in days.
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09-Nov-2023 (2 years, 8 months, 26 days and $2+ MILLION later):
  • DC hides his monthly income (23-Oct-2023)
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  • The Tech Update has no release date or even a date when it will have a release date
  • The Tech Update has not been seen by supporters in any kind of demo that would show the works that required going 10 extra times past the promised and voted on deadline.
  • The true status of the Tech Update is unknown to literally everyone, supporters and insiders, as nobody can tell where the project is, what is still left to do and when it will be done.
    • The word salads sold as "status updates" at the end of recent months are completely useless to determine actual status/progress against a 100% DONE objective
    • The progress image used by supporters for years to determine status proves to be useless as it sat frozen in time for eons followed by a regress in %, both clear as day signs that project management is far beyond incompetent or just non-existent

Why?
  • No. of paying supporters in Feb-2021 vs. Oct-2023: 24422 vs 25488
  • As long as they keep paying for the dance of shadows keeping this vaporware unalive, we will continue getting what they pay for.
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Wow... so mush typing and work just to say what all the others who bitch to no end post... Is it abandoned Yet...?
 
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McSlut

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Username7 said:
Stray is really going a it on the mini games he knocked out another six over the last week. I'm also waiting on the dust to fully settle before I start posting the detailed changlog because so far they haven't split any of the larger task, all they've done is add task for the new character intro cut scenes, and other bits and bobs related to the new locations for the expanded map. These task had existed internally for months and hadn't been added to the tracker because most of them are small task. It has also been stated on Discord that they aren't done yet as going over 20+ months of work figuring out how to best break up the tasks to accurately reflect how much work is left is unsurprisingly very challenging almost like this was a bad idea.
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that's hilarious, so the tracker might even get lower once they split up the larger taks? :KEK:

man this whole project is an absolute train wreck at this point. how did DC even think he could do the tech update in 3-4 months at first? even if dogeek lied to him it must mean he really has zero clue about the scale of the whole thing

i wonder if his patreons will accept another drop in the tracker to let's say 50%. think about it that probably means the tech update will take another 2 years to finish and i'm not sure 20 more wallpapers are going to cut it
 
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Of course I expected a lot of middle fingers abou the progress bar here. It is much closer to reality now and where we stand. The bar actually moved in two past days. Yes, it will not be ready probably this year, but they already work on future updates too. I think the next year will bring updates in very fast pace.
 
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McSlut said:
i wonder if his patreons will accept another drop in the tracker to let's say 50%. think about it that probably means the tech update will take another 2 years to finish and i'm not sure 20 more wallpapers are going to cut it
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And what are you going to do if his patreon numbers stay roughly the same?
 
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