Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[srksrk 68]

If that is what you call important, you need to up your medication. Answer the 2-4 questions takes less than a minute of time. Thanks for dodging actually answering the question with valid concerns.

To be honest, if they only wanted they could automate that when loading an older save.

I want to make a point for the game though, and how it handles saves. I actually find it quite clever. It has bugs, yes, but it is the right principle for a state driven game like this. Actually, when a save is loaded, they replay the trigger chain and apply each trigger to each state machine, so that in theory each one will advance to the state it had when the save was created. Only exceptions are things that do not depend on state machines, like names or variables that advance independently or randomly.

The drawback is that, whenever the new game version, for example, requires different trigger sequences to advance the story, older saves must become incompatible. This is why they have some special coding for older saves in place that executes whenever such a save is being loaded. There had been bugs in the past with that, e.g. Jenny not being able to become pregnant if her story was too far advanced already, and the trigger for that was not correctly replayed. Or Maria not being available in the storage room and the player not being able to leave without talking to her.

 

[Omnikuken]

I don't see what the big deal is about needing saves compatible? If you have completed all the old content, just start at the new content in the update using the prompt provided and then answer a few questions such as Eve's identity and whether you shared with Tony. Less than a couple of minutes and you can enjoy new content. If you haven't completed the old content, do that first and then download the update. If you haven't started the old content, immediately download the update and play from day one.

Why is it important for an old save to be compatible if you're provided a way to start at new content?

Though the "start with new content" only came with the batches (since most of them are mid-route) ...... But then you only need to know what you're doing and keep the same save for 3+ years and don't have anything bug out (which is apparently a feat on its own for this place)

 

[MurkyTurtle]

To be honest, if they only wanted they could automate that when loading an older save.

I want to make a point for the game though, and how it handles saves. I actually find it quite clever. It has bugs, yes, but it is the right principle for a state driven game like this. Actually, when a save is loaded, they replay the trigger chain and apply each trigger to each state machine, so that in theory each one will advance to the state it had when the save was created. Only exceptions are things that do not depend on state machines, like names or variables that advance independently or randomly.

The drawback is that, whenever the new game version, for example, requires different trigger sequences to advance the story, older saves must become incompatible. This is why they have some special coding for older saves in place that executes whenever such a save is being loaded. There had been bugs in the past with that, e.g. Jenny not being able to become pregnant if her story was too far advanced already, and the trigger for that was not correctly replayed. Or Maria not being available in the storage room and the player not being able to leave without talking to her.

Interesting save process! Do you know why they recommend saving on the bedroom/map screen, then? I'm guessing it simplifies the save compatibility coding you described by ensuring that you're not in the middle of an event or location where an event can trigger whenever it finishes the magic conversion wizardry.

Also, do you happen to know if other sandbox-like Ren'Py games (e.g., Milfy City, FILF, Mythic Manor, etc.) use a similar process? You rarely hear about save compatibility problems outside of Summertime Saga, though admittedly the types of major content rework that they've done are unusual in this field.

 

[Omnikuken]

Interesting save process! Do you know why they recommend saving on the bedroom/map screen, then? I'm guessing it simplifies the save compatibility coding you described by ensuring that you're not in the middle of an event or location where an event can trigger whenever it finishes the magic conversion wizardry.

Also, do you happen to know if other sandbox-like Ren'Py games (e.g., Milfy City, FILF, Mythic Manor, etc.) use a similar process? You rarely hear about save compatibility problems outside of Summertime Saga, though admittedly the types of major content rework that they've done are unusual in this field.

1st part : It's probably as you said, there's nothing happening in the room (aside some phone calls/SMS that'd trigger anyway) and another layer of cockblocking you from saving mid-event (that we already know will fuck up everything)

2nd part : Save comp on Renpy fucks up everytime you change something prior to the save point. Go look any game in here and most of them will have "saves don't work cause I changed the intro" or something similar. Best way to skip that is to "code forward" and never touch stuff from before or to restart everything and tell people their saves are useless.

 

[ffive]

If that is what you call important, you need to up your medication. Answer the 2-4 questions takes less than a minute of time. Thanks for dodging actually answering the question with valid concerns.

Your not liking the answer doesn't make it dodging, sugar. And save your medical advice for yourself; believe it or not, plenty people don't bother to remember what choices they made in one of dozens of porn games they've played literally years ago. That's what computers are for, to do menial tasks so their users don't have to.

 

[srksrk 68]

Interesting save process! Do you know why they recommend saving on the bedroom/map screen, then? I'm guessing it simplifies the save compatibility coding you described by ensuring that you're not in the middle of an event or location where an event can trigger whenever it finishes the magic conversion wizardry.

That's most likely the reason. However, if they'd put more effort in making it all bullet proof, there would be no reason for that. Also, they could easily enable rollback and only block any attempt to roll back over internal changes to state machines. That way it would be possible to have rollback for large parts of dialogs without any state changes, or of course in cookie jar scenes where nothing is being saved at all.

You can have all that with my mod btw.

Also, do you happen to know if other sandbox-like Ren'Py games (e.g., Milfy City, FILF, Mythic Manor, etc.) use a similar process? You rarely hear about save compatibility problems outside of Summertime Saga, though admittedly the types of major content rework that they've done are unusual in this field.

I only looked into coding in detail for Summertime Saga. I also wrote smaller mods for personal use for a few other games a while ago, mostly Lab Rats 2 and Witch Trainer. The two have a completely different code base. I did not look into the save process there. The second one was long finished when I modded it, so no compatibilty problem there, and the first one seems to require new saves each release, at least when I played it.

 

[ffive]

Also, do you happen to know if other sandbox-like Ren'Py games (e.g., Milfy City, FILF, Mythic Manor, etc.) use a similar process? You rarely hear about save compatibility problems outside of Summertime Saga, though admittedly the types of major content rework that they've done are unusual in this field.

Compatibility problems are quite common in Renpy games, actually, because the described process is pretty universal part of functionality provided by engine itself. So things break when the "old" content of source files is modified (lines are added or removed) or existing variables are changed in some way (length of arrays gets changed, etc) It's one of major sources of crashes people experience loading older saves into updated builds -- things may appear to load, but as soon as game takes another step the house of cards all comes down.

 

[thedemus]

No need to do anything like that. Either take the pills and hit CTRL when the spin-2-win game doesn't end up like you want or use the phone hax. Console is locked for a reason

There is a phone hack for that? Has it always been there or is it a recent thing?

Either way the MC is going to be extending his bloodline. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Omnikuken]

There is a phone hack for that? Has it always been there or is it a recent thing?

Either way the MC is going to be extending his bloodline. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Yes, the phone hax are pretty old by now. And massively funky (aka gamebreaking), you can put every1 preg, including Kevin and Erik ....... Watch out on what you click in there

 

[thedemus]

Yes, the phone hax are pretty old by now. And massively funky (aka gamebreaking), you can put every1 preg, including Kevin and Erik ....... Watch out on what you click in there

That is actually kinda hilarious.

 

[zeoabyss23]

Anyone have the latest Incest Patch? Workupload ain't loading in the Lewdpatcher site.

 

[Sothyr]

Anyone have the latest Incest Patch? Workupload ain't loading in the Lewdpatcher site.

You can use the download from . It is included. The pre-tech stuff is not incestified.

 

[Count Morado]

Anyone have the latest Incest Patch? Workupload ain't loading in the Lewdpatcher site.

Did you try the second link from the OP? It's the same patch, just a different name.

 

[L_Dante]

hi, guys, does anyone have old Summertime Saga files? I'm looking for the version 0.02, the second one. Thanks a lot in advance!

 

[Omnikuken]

hi, guys, does anyone have old Summertime Saga files? I'm looking for the version 0.02, the second one. Thanks a lot in advance!

So you want no town map and 1 scene ? Weird

 

[L_Dante]

So you want no town map and 1 scene ? Weird

Actually yes, I'm tracking the evolution of the game and I'm having lots of trouble finding the first versions of the game.

 

[Count Morado]

Actually yes, I'm tracking the evolution of the game and I'm having lots of trouble finding the first versions of the game.

And v0.02 is the only one you're missing --- or are you missing others? If you are missing others, how about asking for all the ones you are missing in one post?

 

[L_Dante]

And v0.02 is the only one you're missing --- or are you missing others? If you are missing others, how about asking for all the ones you are missing in one post?

I'm looking for all of them, basically anything previous to 14.5. All of the files I've found are already down or lost.

 

[Count Morado]

I'm looking for all of them, basically anything previous to 14.5. All of the files I've found are already down or lost.

Well, versions 1, 3, 4, 5, 9 are all linked in the first couple pages of this thread -- You could search/scroll through pages for others. Again, if you want people to help you, you need to help them by listing what you are looking for so they know what you already have and still need. I assume everything from v0.14.5 and newer you have already downloaded or are doing so from

You must be registered to see the links

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So you are looking for versions:

• v0.02.0
• v0.05.0
• v0.06.0
• v0.07.0
• v0.08.0
• v0.09.0
• v0.10.0
• v0.11.0
• v0.12.0
• v0.12.5
• v0.13.0
• v0.14.0

 

[L_Dante]

Well, versions 1, 3, 4, 5, 9 are all linked in the first couple pages of this thread -- You could search/scroll through pages for others. Again, if you want people to help you, you need to help them by listing what you are looking for so they know what you already have and still need. I assume everything from v0.14.5 and newer you have already downloaded or are doing so from

You must be registered to see the links

.
So you are looking for versions:

• v0.02.0
• v0.05.0
• v0.06.0
• v0.07.0
• v0.08.0
• v0.09.0
• v0.10.0
• v0.11.0
• v0.12.0
• v0.12.5
• v0.13.0
• v0.14.0

Understood.

The ones I need are:

• v0.07.0
• v0.10.0
• v0.12.5
• v0.13.0

These are the ones I'm missing.

Thanks in advance, guys!