Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[Riken120]

Is this game abandoned?

 

[Count Morado]

Is this game abandoned?

Maybe you should ask the developer, himself. DC was on

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yesterday and today around 2pm EST USA streaming his working on the art for Summertime Saga.

 

[saynotoNTR]

Is it just me or is Jenny the worst "sister" to ever exist in every adult game ever created?

Character-wise, she's the worst in the game. She always complains about everything and is never satisfied with anything.

If you cum inside she complains, if you cum outside she complains. If you ask to see her breasts she charges money. If you ask her to sleep with her, she charges money.

Her character development is reversed, she gets worse as events unfold. It's hard to believe that the person who created Jenny was the same person who created Maria (hell of a woman!).

 

[rivers77]

Dude we all feel you. There's a a LOT of people here that love SS with all their heart, and they don't want to criminalize DC nor stop the game for being produced. All this hatred feelings splashed on this forum have a reason: we all love SS, and we all want to see the last version of this great game. But at the same time we love this game, DC needed a warning that he hasn't take the right path with planification of the tech update, and after the 1st year, decisions should've been taken (more coders, reprogramation of the chores...)
DC is a great guy, and the major part of the people knows that. But a warning from the fans is needed, just to change something, because we don't want to lose this love for the game

I'm a big believer in voting with your dollars and there is nothing wrong with your opinion. There is a lot of truth to it from what I can see and it's stated in a very respectful way. This, to my mind, is how differences should be handled. Our culture, in general, has gotten to a point where people just can't agree to disagree or have spirited debate and conversation. There has to be vitriol attached to it. I imagine if DC see's a big enough drop in monthly income, it will send a strong message and who knows how he'll handle that.

I have a handful of reasons why I quit being a patron, some personal and some that regard the game. Like I said in my original post, I didn't enjoy the Eve update, but it was wildly popular. The fan base shifted after the Roxxy and Eve updates, which is just how the world works and I get that. It gained in popularity and shifted away from the family unit and choices. Choices were unpopular. I really wanted to see an opportunity to choose Grace instead of Eve in that update and I really hoped DC would have done the Debbie update right after the Diane and Jenny update. The whole thing right now is clunky and jarring when going back and fourth between the old and new art constantly. Once again, I also had personal reasons as well and, when I added it all up, I decided it was time to play the game for free. I have zero regrets being a patron and I have zero regrets playing for free. I voted with my dollars and I'm content with that.

Those guys are great over there. I got nothing but respect for them. DC is running a business and he has to run that business the best way he sees fit. I hope he gets over this hurdle and things return to being smooth for him and the team.

 

[Creepers530]

We can get through this brothers, in either this lifetime or the next, our patience will be rewarded

 

[marlonmyers]

Someone knows if debbie will have NEW content? Or at least remake scenes? You know with her new big tits....

 

[DerKER]

Quick question, when was the first pre-tech update? It feels that we have been stuck on them for years now lol

 

[Cube78]

720k USD a year dude... when was the last major update again and how much content did it have? Stardew Valley had 1 dev and none of that funding, took less time to release, actually finished, continued to be improved upon after release, and after becoming a millionaire the dude hired more staff to add more to the game.

Terraria only had 11 and that's a massive undertaking.

I was exaggerating for effect but with the kind of ridiculous funding this game is getting he can afford to work infinitely faster even if that means hiring people to help. Heck, even I've worked on bigger projects that get more things done with a fraction of the cashflow.

First of all I'm not really sure that every $ of those 720k is received by DC, as probably half of that money is kept by Patreon.

After that, I agree that if the money wasn't enough to feed his children we wouldn't have so many delays and neverending progress bars. From an engineering point of view the team lacks of planning capabilities to say the least: the "it will be out when it will be out" is not much... professional.

I was just contesting the logic for which multiplying the money by X would multiply the frequency of updates by X. It never happens, and furthermore more money could mean more quality, that's something I appreciate.

 

[Count Morado]

Quick question, when was the first pre-tech update? It feels that we have been stuck on them for years now lol

It's on the wiki which you can get to from the link on the first post of this thread. Tech update work started April 2021, after the main story was finished. First pre-tech update was released July 2021.

Learn more in the 72nd posting of my FAQ since last February:

Spoiler: The Count's FAQ for Summertime Saga (72)

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Someone knows if debbie will have NEW content? Or at least remake scenes? You know with her new big tits....

Debbie's storyline is most likely completed with the finishing of the main story in 2021. Every love interest will have pregnancy content, eventually. Every love interest will have their artwork brought up to date eventually. Also, for any new content, Debbie will probably need to win a patreon poll (which she hasn't done in 5 years).

 

[saynotoNTR]

Debbie's storyline is most likely completed with the finishing of the main story in 2021. Every love interest will have pregnancy content, eventually. Every love interest will have their artwork brought up to date eventually. Also, for any new content, Debbie will probably need to win a patreon poll (which she hasn't done in 5 years).

Truth be told, Debbie will remain without new content for the next 5 years. She's not really a great mother for incest lovers.

She's not very attractive, her face is pretty weird and her sex scenes are pretty lame. So I believe people will vote for other MILF-type characters with more potential, like Tina for example.

 

[j4yj4m]

Is it just me or is Jenny the worst "sister" to ever exist in every adult game ever created?

Character-wise, she's the worst in the game. She always complains about everything and is never satisfied with anything.

If you cum inside she complains, if you cum outside she complains. If you ask to see her breasts she charges money. If you ask her to sleep with her, she charges money.

Well, she's supposed to be the bitchy, money loving older sister. At least this is something different once, when 99% of the others olders sisters in such games are pretty much written in excatly the same way.

And it's not like MC has to pay to have sex with her later on. Quite on the contrary, he can actually make money by doing so and she even visits him at night by herself.

Truth be told, Debbie will remain without new content for the next 5 years. She's not really a great mother for incest lovers.

She's not very attractive, her face is pretty weird and her sex scenes are pretty lame. So I believe people will vote for other MILF-type characters with more potential, like Tina for example.

It's very unlikely that his patrons are going to have that kind of choice. The polls aren't some kind of "free for all" but usually consist of selected options. In Debbie's case it's likely, that she'll be polled next to Mia, the teachers, Erik/Mrs. Johnson and Roxxy next.

 

[saynotoNTR]

It's very unlikely that his patrons are going to have that kind of choice. The polls aren't some kind of "free for all" but usually consist of selected options. In Debbie's case it's likely, that she'll be polled next to Mia, the teachers, Erik/Mrs. Johnson and Roxxy next.

It doesn't matter. Debbie won't win a poll anytime soon. All these characters you mentioned are more interesting than Debbie. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. When was the last time Debbie won a poll?

 

[MurkyTurtle]

It doesn't matter. Debbie won't win a poll anytime soon. All these characters you mentioned are more interesting than Debbie. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. When was the last time Debbie won a poll?

Debbie hasn't been winning polls because her options are billed as smaller updates that would modernize her art, introduce pregnancy, and otherwise make minor story changes. You can see the polls and their results

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. Incest-but-not-really updates generally sell with the Patreon crowd, and if DC proposed a full Debbie rework it'd probably poll very well.

I do agree with you that she's probably not getting any substantially new content, though. I wouldn't be surprised if he's cutting the Gordian knot by rolling her small art/pregnancy/story changes into the tech update, and saving any additional changes for the endgame.

 

[KillerBee487]

How he handles his affairs, is simply none of your business, and he doesn't cater to the opinions of freeloaders.

xddd Man i'm not a patreon, but in the end DC owns ALL of this to his fans. And we can exchange the name to INVESTORS instead of fans, because patreons is nothing different than that (just with the difference that the investors doesn't receive their money back, nor a faster realease product xd)
So, it's none of my business, but EVERYTHING has been said if he sees a huge drop in his incomes in a few months, as is happening right now

 

[j4yj4m]

It doesn't matter. Debbie won't win a poll anytime soon. All these characters you mentioned are more interesting than Debbie. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact.

I'm not saying that she's really popular, nor am I saying that she necessarily will win something anytime soon, I'm just saying that it'll be up to DC for the most part. Last but not least being interesting is still somewhat subjective. There are quite a few people out there, for example, who prefer milfs to school girls in general and likely won't vote for let's say Roxxy or Mia.

And we can exchange the name to INVESTORS instead of fans, because patreons is nothing different than that (just with the difference that the investors doesn't receive their money back, nor a faster realease product xd)

I'm sorry, but that's really not on point. Once we are talking about investments, we are talking about concrete business plans, quarterly/yearly goals and actual accountability. You promise something specific and get money to get it done in return.

This whole project was never set out to be like that. The game has always been free and in return DC gets to do what he wants. If anything DC's patreon thing is much closer to some kind of tip jar/donation, where you give money because you like what he does.
That's honestly how people should see all of these games. Having some kind of investor's attitude while giving some bucks to a porn game on patreon is pretty mad, honestly.

So, it's none of my business, but EVERYTHING has been said if he sees a huge drop in his incomes in a few months, as is happening right now

There's isn't some kind of huge drop, though. It's a slow and pretty steady decline since the beginning of last year because he's not releasing any major updates. As such the gains from these updates are missing, as they have always been what's driving his numbers. Then again, it's somewhat likely that the trend is going to change once there'll be story updates again.

 

[saynotoNTR]

I'm not saying that she's really popular, nor am I saying that she necessarily will win something anytime soon, I'm just saying that it'll be up to DC for the most part. Last but not least being interesting is still somewhat subjective. There are quite a few people out there, for example, who prefer milfs to school girls in general and likely won't vote for let's say Roxxy or Mia.

I understood what you said about polls having specific options, which is why I mentioned Tina as an example. I don't know if people when they hear the “MILF” topic instantly think of Debbie and I have a feeling DC isn't a huge fan of her either. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

Debbie hasn't been winning polls because her options are billed as smaller updates that would modernize her art, introduce pregnancy, and otherwise make minor story changes. You can see the polls and their results

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. Incest-but-not-really updates generally sell with the Patreon crowd, and if DC proposed a full Debbie rework it'd probably poll very well.

Her options being billed as minor upgrades is what makes me believe DC doesn't give a shit about Debbie.

 

[teraptuss]

It's very unlikely that his patrons are going to have that kind of choice. The polls aren't some kind of "free for all" but usually consist of selected options. In Debbie's case it's likely, that she'll be polled next to Mia, the teachers, Erik/Mrs. Johnson and Roxxy next.

I was curious if DC has done this in the past? Kind of loaded up the polls in favor of someone he wanted to do or knew needed an update. It seems like you said, if your option was Erik/Cedric/Kevin/Debbie ...Debbie would be the clear winner. Or at least we would find out some folks really had a Kevin kink or something lol. Or has DC just ever said well I Do what you voted for ....and this extra stuff cause I wanna work on it?

 

[j4yj4m]

I was curious if DC has done this in the past? Kind of loaded up the polls in favor of someone he wanted to do or knew needed an update. It seems like you said, if your option was Erik/Cedric/Kevin/Debbie ...Debbie would be the clear winner. Or at least we would find out some folks really had a Kevin kink or something lol. Or has DC just ever said well I Do what you voted for ....and this extra stuff cause I wanna work on it?

Well, we had the 0.17 poll, where it was just Jenny and Diane and the loser would get the 0.18. So there was basically no choice at all. Similarly we had very small polls, like the one for 0.22, where it was just Annie or Judith.

I mean, if DC really wants something, he'll just do it, no matter what the polls say. There were quite a few polls which are being ignored (succubus monster girl, linear stories) or have been repeated (tech update) and there's of course always the chance to just add a secret update or so.

Edit: Given that Mia will "soon" be the last school girl to not have a fully finished story, I'd indeed expect DC to push her update at some point in some way, so he could move on to the dating system. Maybe we'll indeed just get a very small poll between let's say Mia and Debbie or so.

I don't know if people when they hear the “MILF” topic instantly think of Debbie and I have a feeling DC isn't a huge fan of her either.

Her options being billed as minor upgrades is what makes me believe DC doesn't give a shit about Debbie.

I think the problem with Debbie is simply, that she got lots of content during the first 18 months. Which means there's ton of stuff to be reworked, which also means, that her update will feel just as bad as Diane's back then. It'll take 5 months or more and at the end many people won't really feel like they've seen that much new content compared to what she had before.

To me that's the main reason why DC doesn't seem that motivated to work on her update and why many people aren't voting for her, either. It's a bit like with Mia's case among the school girls. Back in the days before she got her update, she was among the most popular ones, indeed the most popular one, given that she was the one winning the poll. But now that she's got some "pretty bad" content, way fewer people like her.

 

[rivers77]

I disagree with the sentiment that Debbie is unpopular. She wouldn't have taken err 4th place amongst all the women voted for in the first tech update lewd scene vote. No worries if you have a bias. She did lose votes but that was after the extremely unpopular remakes of Diane and Jenny. Jenny's was fantastic and Diane's was lacking for sure. Also, as pointed out, she no longer has a full storyline left to tell. Mia was the most popular school girl and her update caused her star to fall.

One man's trash I suppose... I think Debbie is the hottest and best character in the game. I love her personality and the new artwork. I also think the scene with her and the MC in her bed at night is the hottest in the game. The art sorely needs updating. Also the breast play and grinding.

 

[rivers77]

I do agree with you that she's probably not getting any substantially new content, though. I wouldn't be surprised if he's cutting the Gordian knot by rolling her small art/pregnancy/story changes into the tech update, and saving any additional changes for the endgame.

His heart grew 10 sizes that day. Doubt it happens but if it did I'd be over the moon.