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j4yj4m

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Which leads us to the posing/animation issue. The fact is, if it's such a bottleneck then DC shouldn't be working on content for the next update, he should be helping with the posing and animation. If something in the development cycle isn't working, fix it!
That would indeed be the worst thing he could do. Coding and posing aren't real bottlenecks overall. They only matter in the end for a week or two while DC is already drawing for the next update. But every day DC doesn't draw is a day lost for the total development of the game. If DC would start posing/animating that time would be lost and 0.19 would take even longer.

I'd guess that's actually the reason why he doesn't hire more coders/posers. He can only produce X amount of art and there's no real need to hire more people if they'd sit on their hands half of the time. He did say that he'll hire a second animator though.
 

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That would indeed be the worst thing he could do. Coding and posing aren't real bottlenecks overall. They only matter in the end for a week or two while DC is already drawing for the next update. But every day DC doesn't draw is a day lost for the total development of the game. If DC would start posing/animating that time would be lost and 0.19 would take even longer.

I'd guess that's actually the reason why he doesn't hire more coders/posers. He can only produce X amount of art and there's no real need to hire more people if they'd sit on their hands half of the time. He did say that he'll hire a second animator though.
Fully agreed. But here is the problem: The most productive thing that DarkCookie could and should do is to hire another artist to work/draw along with him. I know he is not a fan of it, but having this big of a project cannot go much more forward without losing patreons, especially after promising the biggest update for Eve, ( for which I am pretty excited, I always was a sucker for cute goth chicks) which let's be honest will take another 5-6 months of work, maybe more. Yes it can be very frustating to teach someone the way you want your work to be done, but the hardest part is finding that one guy who is willing to dedicate himself. The rest will follow very soon. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Fully agreed. But here is the problem: The most productive thing that DarkCookie could and should do is to hire another artist to work/draw along with him. I know he is not a fan of it, but having this big of a project cannot go much more forward without losing patreons, especially after promising the biggest update for Eve, ( for which I am pretty excited, I always was a sucker for cute goth chicks) which let's be honest will take another 5-6 months of work, maybe more. Yes it can be very frustating to teach someone the way you want your work to be done, but the hardest part is finding that one guy who is willing to dedicate himself. The rest will follow very soon. Just my 2 cents.
If he adds another artist, that's two different art styles in the game. You, usually, don't want to make the art differ in a game as it becomes quite glaring. No two artists draw alike, so the odds of him finding someone who can mimic his art is minimal.
 

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If he adds another artist, that's two different art styles in the game. You, usually, don't want to make the art differ in a game as it becomes quite glaring. No two artists draw alike, so the odds of him finding someone who can mimic his art is minimal.
Animated shows and Anime both have dozens to hundreds of artists and yet they have a consistent art style. That's not a real argument lead artists give keyframes and reference images to copy good artists can copy art styles for these kind of projects.
 

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If he adds another artist, that's two different art styles in the game. You, usually, don't want to make the art differ in a game as it becomes quite glaring. No two artists draw alike, so the odds of him finding someone who can mimic his art is minimal.
I can understand your point of view. But let's focus look at my prespective- backrounds, minigames, items,etc can be drawn by comepletely different artist and I can bet you 20 bucks you will not even notice any differences. Now combine all that stuff and imagine how much time can be saved instead of consumed if DC keeps drawing everything by himself.
 

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I can understand your point of view. But let's focus look at my prespective- backrounds, minigames, items,etc can be drawn by comepletely different artist and I can bet you 20 bucks you will not even notice any differences. Now combine all that stuff and imagine how much time can be saved instead of consumed if DC keeps drawing everything by himself.
Particularly the backgrounds. DC spent most of the last two or three streams working on the background for the loft above the tattoo shop, effectively 4-ish hours for something that most people will glance at before they go back to reading text or hunting for the clickable Macguffin so they can get onto something else.
 

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If he adds another artist, that's two different art styles in the game. You, usually, don't want to make the art differ in a game as it becomes quite glaring. No two artists draw alike, so the odds of him finding someone who can mimic his art is minimal.
That's a little grandiose. You make it sound like the making of anime, or animated films and movies is a miracle every time they hire a new artist to work on the project.
 

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Yes it can be very frustating to teach someone the way you want your work to be done, but the hardest part is finding that one guy who is willing to dedicate himself. The rest will follow very soon. Just my 2 cents.
Yes, finding that person seems to be very hard. As DC said, those who aree good enough and willing to work on porn usually want to work on their own projects.

Sadly I'd say there's realistically little middle ground. Either DC will continue to draw alone or he'll have to stop drawing and move on to supervise two or three artist who then will draw everything. The compromise between those two seems just too hard to find.
 
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I can see someone else doing backgrounds. That, I wouldn't have an issue with. I don't watch his streams so I don't really know what it takes for him to do individual tasks. Thanks for that bit of information. I, mainly, don't want anyone but DC touching his character designs.

As for animated movies and shows, that's because they're made by studios. Studios are comprised of people trained to draw in a specific style. DC is not part of a studio nor are the odds of him hiring someone with the same art style as his very high.

PS: I have no idea how to multi-quote. I clicked the option on like three or four messages in response to mine but couldn't get them in the message.
 

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Also the new animator (2nd one) has almost finished the 2nd animation out of the 3 that are planned for 18.5
 

Wangmu

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I can see someone else doing backgrounds. That, I wouldn't have an issue with. I don't watch his streams so I don't really know what it takes for him to do individual tasks. Thanks for that bit of information. I, mainly, don't want anyone but DC touching his character designs.

As for animated movies and shows, that's because they're made by studios. Studios are comprised of people trained to draw in a specific style. DC is not part of a studio nor are the odds of him hiring someone with the same art style as his very high.

PS: I have no idea how to multi-quote. I clicked the option on like three or four messages in response to mine but couldn't get them in the message.
They dont need to have the same art style, they need to emulate. This is very easy for professional artists to do. They arent copying ancient masters its a porn game. If you look at the artwork done by Reverge labs they have like 6 artists or something between traditional artists and animators this is a much easier feat than you are making it out to be. Its really not an excuse. Maybe he doesnt want to spend the time looking for artists, maybe he doesnt like managing people, maybe he views it more like a pet project than a business I dont know DCs reasons for not finding other artists to add to the team. I do know that one reason which isnt justifiable is that he would be unable to find someone who can emulate his style.
 

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They dont need to have the same art style, they need to emulate. This is very easy for professional artists to do. They arent copying ancient masters its a porn game. If you look at the artwork done by Reverge labs they have like 6 artists or something between traditional artists and animators this is a much easier feat than you are making it out to be. Its really not an excuse. Maybe he doesnt want to spend the time looking for artists, maybe he doesnt like managing people, maybe he views it more like a pet project than a business I dont know DCs reasons for not finding other artists to add to the team. I do know that one reason which isnt justifiable is that he would be unable to find someone who can emulate his style.
I suspect that's probably the main issue. DC worked in the industry and I imagine one of the main appeals to working solo was not having to deal with the intricacies of being a project manager or overseer or boss. It's the curse of just about any industry: if you're good enough at your job, eventually you'll be promoted out of it. He's probably afraid that his job will eventually become drawing character sheets and then endlessly having to critique/fix the work of other artists who work off his models. It's good industry practice but for an artist who'd rather just draw all the time I imagine it'd be torture.
 

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They dont need to have the same art style, they need to emulate. This is very easy for professional artists to do. They arent copying ancient masters its a porn game. If you look at the artwork done by Reverge labs they have like 6 artists or something between traditional artists and animators this is a much easier feat than you are making it out to be. Its really not an excuse. Maybe he doesnt want to spend the time looking for artists, maybe he doesnt like managing people, maybe he views it more like a pet project than a business I dont know DCs reasons for not finding other artists to add to the team. I do know that one reason which isnt justifiable is that he would be unable to find someone who can emulate his style.
a good example for that is the manga industry,where an artist counts with a team to help him produce faster,to keep up with the demands,they mimic him or simply add the finishing touches,to spare him the time of having to polish the work until he thinks its good enough,and in some case,it even helps both sides to improve they drawing style,as in cases like Kishimoto(who had an horrible art style at the beggining of Naruto,which improved a lot until the end of the series thanks to the exchanges between him and his assistants),i myself,can mimic some art styles given the proper time,most of the competent artist can,its how we can improve ourselves,we see,and try to learn a way to insert a new perspective to our designs...but like i said in a good number of posts before,its DC decision,and until he thinks its a necessity there's literally nothing we can do about,aside discussing it....
 

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To all of you that are asking for new artists added to the project i say nay. I don't want to experience the same things i've experienced with One Punch Man Season 2 compared to One Punch Man Season 1. Shame on you and shame on your whining. I'd rather wait than have the game ruined by whiners pushing another artist onto the project so they can jerk off one month earlier. Go and play other games. This forum is full of them.
 

j4yj4m

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Maybe he doesnt want to spend the time looking for artists, maybe he doesnt like managing people, maybe he views it more like a pet project than a business I dont know DCs reasons for not finding other artists to add to the team. I do know that one reason which isnt justifiable is that he would be unable to find someone who can emulate his style.
Well, he did talk about it several times and his answer was always the same. He wants that artist to basically work on his own and to fit into the team. That means he doesn't really want to supervise anybody nor does he really want to correct stuff once it's drawn. That means being able to work independently from DC and to be creative enough to actually produce something that's good and fitting is a basic requirement. Next to that it's of course true that it simply has to fit on a personal level since DC would, by default, entrust that artist with a part of the game's future.

He did show some applications on stream quite a while ago (MC fucking a random new designed girl in a forest) which looked pretty decent, yet DC spend about ~30 minutes pointing out things he didn't like and said that it's probably not good enough and that it would be too much of a hassle.

So it's probably more about being able to emulate the mindset of the game and to emulate DC's mind. I'd say it's a basic problem for this kind of development - either it stays small or it has to go big. Right now DC seems to have chosen the former and more money just won't change that.
 

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To all of you that are asking for new artists added to the project i say nay. I don't want to experience the same things i've experienced with One Punch Man Season 2 compared to One Punch Man Season 1. Shame on you and shame on your whining. I'd rather wait than have the game ruined by whiners pushing another artist onto the project so they can jerk off one month earlier. Go and play other games. This forum is full of them.
i can understand your reasons,but you're using the worst argument possible here,first of all,the first season of OPM was made by the Mad House Studio,which is famous for their dedication to mimic the artist of origin as much as possible,so yeah,there wasnt the direct drawing of the creator in nothing there,aside in the counseling of production line,shame they didnt wanted to continue paying for their job,the effort would totally pay itself in the end...other artists can do a good work,if they are properly prepared and instructed,but as i just said before,this is entirely up to DC,nothing that you,me or anyone here says can do more than simply entice more discussions,since something like this depends on him....
 

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Alright bois and Grils, I have good news. Dc confirmed on stream that animation is done and they are implementing it tonight and going to spend the weekend QC it before release. It is unsure how long it will take but MY, I FUCKING REPEAT ITS MY OWN ESTIMATION, hope is for Monday release.
 

TastySnickers

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To all of you that are asking for new artists added to the project i say nay. I don't want to experience the same things i've experienced with One Punch Man Season 2 compared to One Punch Man Season 1. Shame on you and shame on your whining. I'd rather wait than have the game ruined by whiners pushing another artist onto the project so they can jerk off one month earlier. Go and play other games. This forum is full of them.
I think you get too much excited from fan suggestions on a porn forum for a porn game.
 
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