Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[iooooodr]

Like this is a good thing, considering the development pace. Almost every update is bigger than the previous one (DC proudly announces it) and so is the waiting time.

It's actually 4 for one update, 2 months and then 4 for the second update.

He has to make R(h)onda's notmom from scratch, bulk up Cassie's 1 face up to 9000+, make R(h)onda fit with the new "doll" system, make about 15+ new background (day/night variants) and preg versions of those 3 girls. Him taking more than 3 days to do all that is a bitchcockslap to every1 and their mom, especially those that never pledged anything

summertime saga is a good but not great game, and the only publicly reason for not being great is that the project manager/all around manger(Darkcookie) has only done his job as a Art/Designer and has fallen victim to the greatest trap of the indie creator, and that is the failure to do project part of management, if Darkcookie somehow managed to spend a little less than 4 months on a update with 4 scenes and is about to do it again there is no excuse, granted i don't know how long it takes to make a scene. But for a man that make a average of 50k(now 65k) a month, NO and I mean no reason that any bottleneck in production could not be fixed in a matter of weeks and even if he doesn't have enough cash for ever one more staff member(for the company he should own???) it would maybe only take him 2.5k/5k monthly for 30k/60k a year and that assume that all other staff menmber make over 80k a year and still have enough for a 40k emergency fund. The fact that the number one adult creator and the 4th rank on all of patreon doesn't know how to manage is money is laughable and ridiculous. (PS this is a response to the past year of terrible pages on F95 that have made me question my faith in humanity)

 

[PePeTheCoCk]

Can the MC have sex with Iwanka? Or Melania?

Nope only Jared Kushner & Trump

 

[Omnikuken]

summertime saga is a good but not great game, and the only publicly reason for not being great is that the project manager/all around manger(Darkcookie) has only done his job as a Art/Designer and has fallen victim to the greatest trap of the indie creator, and that is the failure to do project part of management, if Darkcookie somehow managed to spend a little less than 4 months on a update with 4 scenes and is about to do it again there is no excuse, granted i don't know how long it takes to make a scene. But for a man that make a average of 50k(now 65k) a month, NO and I mean no reason that any bottleneck in production could not be fixed in a matter of weeks and even if he doesn't have enough cash for ever one more staff member(for the company he should own???) it would maybe only take him 2.5k/5k monthly for 30k/60k a year and that assume that all other staff menmber make over 80k a year and still have enough for a 40k emergency fund. The fact that the number one adult creator and the 4th rank on all of patreon doesn't know how to manage is money is laughable and ridiculous. (PS this a response to the past year of terrible pages on F95 that have made me question my faith in humanity) View attachment 722976 View attachment 722977

He must be really an epic trashlord if his $/month and Patron counts never went down in the ~4 years he's been making Summertime. Either that or the people splurging $ at him are dumber than rocks, ~4 years of dumb rocks ....

Side note : those top 3 Patreons feel WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more trash tier than DC. Over 158k for podcasts ? #1 dude makes psycological videos ? Guess my 2nd point for why DC's $/month never goes down is answered right there

 

[iooooodr]

He must be really an epic trashlord if his $/month and Patron counts never went down in the ~4 years he's been making Summertime. Either that or the people splurging $ at him are dumber than rocks, ~4 years of dumb rocks ....

Side note : those top 3 Patreons feel WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more trash tier than DC. Over 158k for podcasts ? #1 dude makes psycological videos ? Guess my 2nd point for why DC's $/month never goes down is answered right there

everything you just said was false (this is why all the page are bad) I never called his supporters dumb, people have a right to use their money the why their want to that is a fact, but that does not make up for bad leadership. he has lost supporters in the update droughts if you took a single second to look at my pictures you would know that.(and I find it hilarious how a man who can't objectively look at something he likes and find problems, can question other people's products I will not be responding to an another 3head straw man argument)


Edit:1 I said i like the product in the first sentence

 

[Omnikuken]

Mad much ? The entire "he makes too much $/month, he should hire more people" argument has been tossed around for years now. Nothing changed and nothing will change. You brought it up 1st, you could at least try to counter what I pointed : people don't care it takes him over 3 months per update, otherwise his Patreon graph wouldn't be exponentially upwards, it would plummet pretty hard and fast. Is he a pleb dev that has way too much income per month ? Possibly. Does it bother any1 aside the whiners/people that don't and never will pledge ? Apparently not the 25k+ dudes that keep paying him.

Fun fact : Patreon doesn't work on "pay now, get game in X time" (aka Kickstarter). You pay to have DC do what he wants/likes. He makes the game however he likes, takes all the time he wants/needs and you get it FOR FREE whenever it's ready. Don't like how things go ? Drop your pledge and go elsewhere. Game will still be made and you'll (probably) still get it.

 

[iooooodr]

Mad much ? The entire "he makes too much $/month, he should hire more people" argument has been tossed around for years now. Nothing changed and nothing will change. You brought it up 1st, you could at least try to counter what I pointed : people don't care it takes him over 3 months per update, otherwise his Patreon graph wouldn't be exponentially upwards, it would plummet pretty hard and fast. Is he a pleb dev that has way too much income per month ? Possibly. Does it bother any1 aside the whiners/people that don't and never will pledge ? Apparently not the 25k+ dudes that keep paying him.

Fun fact : Patreon doesn't work on "pay now, get game in X time" (aka Kickstarter). You pay to have DC do what he wants/likes. He makes the game however he likes, takes all the time he wants/needs and you get it FOR FREE whenever it's ready. Don't like how things go ? Drop your pledge and go elsewhere. Game will still be made and you'll (probably) still get it.

I would truly be surprised if you notice your titanium skull and childlike ability to read/understand text, going to log off I'm losing brain cells(and if I have to clap back it will be a slaughte) PS if you want to be an idiot bring your friends at least they can type properly bye

 

[Oriandu]

I would truly be surprised if you notice your titanium skull and childlike ability to read/understand text, going to log off I'm losing brain cells(and if I have to clap back it will be a slaughte) PS if you want to be an idiot bring your friends at least they can type properly bye

Haven't seen anyone post the progress bars recently. Any, uh, progress on those?

 

[Omnikuken]

How to win the internet :

1- Come out crying DC makes too much $/month and he blows at managing
2- Post graphs showing his $/month and Patron counts are only going up for the last 4 years
3- Get countered hard and pointed out that his argument is invalid (posting images that counter your own point is bad)
4- Come back pretty mad throwing issy fits and threats
5- ???????
6- Profit

 

[Asia Argento]

He must be really an epic trashlord if his $/month and Patron counts never went down in the ~4 years he's been making Summertime. Either that or the people splurging $ at him are dumber than rocks, ~4 years of dumb rocks ....

Side note : those top 3 Patreons feel WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more trash tier than DC. Over 158k for podcasts ? #1 dude makes psycological videos ? Guess my 2nd point for why DC's $/month never goes down is answered right there

A ton of people enjoy Chapo, which fills a barren market for commentary on the left end of politics. They have a massive fanbase. I honestly wonder how they match up to Rogan's numbers....... Looks like 3 things with big fanbases..... and then SS.

 

[j4yj4m]

... Looks like 3 things with big fanbases..... and then SS.

To be fair, since it got a proper mobile version the fanbase of SS seems really huge and global, too. I think DC mentioned that the US downloads for example are only 3rd behind SEA and europe. Else it's probably better to compare SS to other NSFW stuff and in that case he's got more than twice the patrons of the 2nd best game. Having said all that, he certainly doesn't make the most money. Devs like Adeptus Steve (and certainly some others like NLT) who actually "sell" their game on patreon make more money with only 1/3 of DC's patrons.

 

[Asia Argento]

To be fair, since it got a proper mobile version the fanbase of SS seems really huge and global, too. I think DC mentioned that the US downloads for example are only 3rd behind SEA and europe. Else it's probably better to compare SS to other NSFW stuff and in that case he's got more than twice the patrons of the 2nd best game. Having said all that, he certainly doesn't make the most money. Dev's like Adeptus Steve (and certainly some others like NLT) who actually "sell" their game on patreon make more money with only 1/3 of DC's patrons.

That wasnt meant to insult SS. Porn can be highly profitable if its QUALITY... As someone who enjoys SS, I can say it deserves to be right behind Chapo for donations...

 

[j4yj4m]

That wasnt meant to insult SS. Porn can be highly profitable if its QUALITY... As someone who enjoys SS, I can say it deserves to be right behind Chapo for donations...

Yeah, I didn't meant to criticize what you said, I only wanted to elaborate a little further. In my opinion there are quite a few reasons why DC has that spot and why people keep supporting him, even though there are games which deliver more sex scenes more often, albeit not really in 2D.

 

[Asia Argento]

Yeah, I didn't meant to criticize what you said, I only wanted to elaborate a little further. In my opinion there are quite a few reasons why DC has that spot and why people keep supporting him, even though there are games which deliver more sex scenes more often, albeit not really in 2D.

Agreed... I only hope he talks at his patrons and keeps people in the loop fairly regularly... He is definitely living good off that Patron money.....

 

[j4yj4m]

Agreed... I only hope he talks at his patrons and keeps people in the loop fairly regularly... He is definitely living good off that Patron money.....

Well, he usually streams 5 times a week and will answer almost every question you throw at him, while he doesn't take any donations/memberships etc. there. That alone makes me think that he doesn't care about money that much. Sure, he's essentially hit the jackpot, but if he wanted he could be making quite a bit more money by monetizing the game at least a bit more by introducing paid releases, by monetizing his streams, by actually growing the team, etc.

I mean, yes, the game does well, but compared to other devs who actually invest more into their projects and got almost exponential growth at times, SS has almost stalled on a high level for the last 2 years.

 

[Porn_Jesus]

Wasn't there something official from a mod or admin a while ago that those ongoing nonsense posts about DCs monthly income won't be tolerated anymore cuz it always leads to drama and rule breaking?

Perhaps it's about time to leave the couch and do something. Humanity just proved again that they can't exist without rules and consequences.^^

 

[srksrk 68]

Normally, those sub-threats get deleted pretty soon whenever I join the discussion to support DC (at least my contributions get deleted). So just wait a few hours and we get back to normal.

To the mods: I find the way DC runs his project quite fine. Now do your deed.

 

[iooooodr]

How to win the internet :

1- Come out crying DC makes too much $/month and he blows at managing
2- Post graphs showing his $/month and Patron counts are only going up for the last 4 years
3- Get countered hard and pointed out that his argument is invalid (posting images that counter your own point is bad)
4- Come back pretty mad throwing issy fits and threats
5- ???????
6- Profit

1- never say he make too much money and ever say that people have a right to pay him????,and if you read it at all you would know what i was talking about, a project manager(that he is because he is the lead) job is to set deadlines and make things ship his most common complaint are no deadlines and ungodly update times.

2- the images strengthen my point???

no reason that any bottleneck in production could not be fixed in a matter of weeks and even if he doesn't have enough cash for ever one more staff member(for the company he should own???) it would maybe only take him 2.5k/5k monthly for 30k/60k a year and that assume that all other staff menmber make over 80k a year and still have enough for a 40k emergency fund

3- had somebody lie about my arguing with bad logic

He must be really an epic trashlord if his $/month and Patron counts never went down in the ~4 years he's been making Summertime. Either that or the people splurging $ at him are dumber than rocks, ~4 years of dumb rocks ....

Side note : those top 3 Patreons feel WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more trash tier than DC. Over 158k for podcasts ? #1 dude makes psycological videos ? Guess my 2nd point for why DC's $/month never goes down is answered right there

4- come back to find somebody making me a straw man and didn't actually respond only use downright copy paste arguments,I said that if i had to clap back it would be a slaughter

5- go to sleep

6-found two people talkin like reasonable adults about a games they like(i guess profit)

 

[iooooodr]

can't wait for the update it look good

 

[j4yj4m]

.... i was talking about, a project manager(that he is because he is the lead) job is to set deadlines and make things ship his most common complaint are no deadlines and ungodly update times.

I don't think you are right here, though. The game never had any deadlines and those who pay know that. Instead you get a very transparent development process and you can see/write to DC almost daily, in case you want to.
In the end it'll always be a compromise anyway. If you set a deadline and miss it, as many devs do, people complain, if you set a deadline and take shortcuts ingame to meet it and push out content (like for example NLT does) it may impact the quality of the game, etc.

In short, somebody will always complain.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Can you guys stop being NPCs? It has been the same dialogue tree for the last 2 or 3 years. Don't you guys get tired of arguing about the same stuff?